| Dexdexter |
Anyone have this one yet?
Little Dot T_100 Technical Specifications
* Based on the Tripath TA2022 Class T
* Continuous Maximum Output: 2x100W @ 4 ohms, 2x60 @ 8 ohms
* Frequency Response: 9 hz - 93 Khz (+/- 5db)
* THD+N: 0.02%
* Micro-chip switching from four different sources
* 0 to -63 digital volume control (degree of distortion < 0.002%)
* Samsung digital (VFD) display
* Speaker surge protection: 200VA
* Infrared remote control
* Price: $250 plus shipping ($50 shipping to N. America, $70 to Western EU)
* Upgraded Tube Stage PCB with EF92/CV131 vacuum tubes: $270 plus shipping ($50 shipping to N. America, $70 to Western EU)
View HERE |
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| serengetiplains |
| Very cheap, indeed. Do you think "Decod" implies some sort of DA converter onboard? |
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| BWRX |
I think they just mean it could be an input for a surround sound decoder or something.
They did a nice job with the aesthetics. Simple, clean, and functional. The VFD display looks very nice too. |
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| robert1325 |
| Curious about this one to!, I might get it if my trends ta-10 is as good as they say ( my first t-amp) |
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| DcibeL |
| Looks like a nice amp, and the price is very attractive as well. Looks like an excellent solution for those not wishing to DIY their t-amp. |
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| EdT |
| Looks good, another one to add to my list to get ! |
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| theAnonymous1 |
Nice looking little amp at a pretty decent price.
I just put together another AMP1-B kits yesterday. With the total cost of kit($70) + case($80) + power supply($40) + time(priceless); this would have been a better alternative. Plus it has remote digital volume control! |
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| djQUAN |
| where's the picture with the tube stage? :smash: |
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| renfrow |
What's the physical size on this? I'm guessing 12 in. wide by 16 in. deep?
Tom. |
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| Dexdexter |
| quote: | Originally posted by djQUAN
where's the picture with the tube stage? :smash: |
It's on the page with the link, but since you asked... :)
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| EdT |
Why didn't they just make one larger PCB ?
Soldering is close to Level 2, but not quite |
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| Koolthang |
Hey guys,
FYI - I'll have a few of these units in stock probably as soon as late next week (although the site shows Feb 15). I havent had a chance to evaluate it myself however. They were purchased based on speculation, curiousity and Little Tube's excellent reputation.
Thankfully, I've become their first N. American authorized reseller. I'm <really> excited to do business these guys :-)
- Sasha
Obad Imports
www.musical.ca |
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| kevf |
I was in Hong Kong last month and bought the T 100 for $1200HKD. That would be around $165 USD. $299 USD seems a little rich even with shipping costs to N. America factored in.
I got it at Wai Wai Valve in Kowloon. Not sure if the owner will ship to N. America, but worth asking him.
BTW, it sounds pretty good (comparing it to my other amps - Bryston 3b and a Mac mc225.):D |
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| panomaniac |
I have on of these on the way. Looks ripe for upgrades, plenty of room inside.
Some owners have reported noise problems. I'll see if I do.
The oher day I made a diagram of the layout, I'll post it when I get home.
The tube buffer is odd. They use an RF pentode. Wonder if that can be changed?
Will let you know for sure. |
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| EdT |
| Man oh man, there so many T-Amp offerings now, where did they all started to jump onto the bandwagon ? most are from Hong Kong though, if only they had the slick marketing and advertising skills they would kill our economy here ! |
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| motherone |
| Very interesting. I'm actually tempted to buy one instead of building a 41hz kit. |
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| panomaniac |
| quote: | Originally posted by EdT
if only they had the slick marketing and advertising skills they would kill our economy here ! |
That's one of the reasons I got out of building them. No way can I beat the Chinese at that game. Let the Chinese make them, I'll improve them. :D |
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| spikeyfaz |
I've been running a Super-T for the past year and it's without doubt the best sounding and best value for money amp I've ever owned. But there's always room for improvement and just lately I've been thinking that a bit more power and some more inputs would be handy. Oh, and I wonder what a tube output would sound like.
Then comes along the Little Dot T 100 which would appear to be just what I'm looking for. All we need now is an honest review :judge: (hello Panomaniac :) ).
I just hope it can be used in the UK with our 230-250 mains. |
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| Koolthang |
| quote: | Originally posted by kevf
I was in Hong Kong last month and bought the T 100 for $1200HKD. That would be around $165 USD. $299 USD seems a little rich even with shipping costs to N. America factored in.
I got it at Wai Wai Valve in Kowloon. Not sure if the owner will ship to N. America, but worth asking him.
BTW, it sounds pretty good (comparing it to my other amps - Bryston 3b and a Mac mc225.):D |
Please visit Little Tube's website to find out who are authorized resellers of their products: http://www.little-tube.com/forum/fo...asp?TID=65&PN=1
That's all I'm going to say about that. I like Wai Wai
- Sasha
Obad Imports |
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| panomaniac |
| quote: | Originally posted by spikeyfaz
[BI just hope it can be used in the UK with our 230-250 mains. [/B] |
Shouldn't be a problem. I see that the main transformer is a 2X110V primary, so 110 or 220 is easy. Just need to see what the resulting vlotages are inside the unit to determine if the hot UK mains will be OK.
I know that they are being used in Hong Kong. What are the actual AC mains voltages there? |
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| kevf |
Sasha,
I'm not disputing whether you're an authorized dealer. I'm simply informing others that the product is *alot* cheaper in HK. For those that can read Chinese, the manufacture list price is only $1280 renminbi (1 renminbi is about same as 1 HK dollar). I don't know whether Wai Wai is an authorized dealer, but the T100 is available in a lot of places in HK for the same price.
http://www.little-tube.com/chinese/littledott100.htm |
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| kg4icn |
I see the what you are talking about. I went to the site myself and google says "1 280 Chinese yuan (CNY) = 165.027139 U.S. dollars"
Thanks for the info. But I found out that I just paid $223 USD for something that cost 688 CNY ($88.70USD).
Oh well. Still a good price for the amp..... I think. |
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| panomaniac |
The price out of China for these amps is unreal. I can't come close to buying the parts at 3X that price.
With some serious mods, this could be a killer $400 to $500 amp. |
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| Koolthang |
| quote: | Originally posted by kevf
Sasha,
I'm not disputing whether you're an authorized dealer. I'm simply informing others that the product is *alot* cheaper in HK. For those that can read Chinese, the manufacture list price is only $1280 renminbi (1 renminbi is about same as 1 HK dollar). I don't know whether Wai Wai is an authorized dealer, but the T100 is available in a lot of places in HK for the same price.
http://www.little-tube.com/chinese/littledott100.htm |
Hi kevf,
That price on the website has to be updated. It's not accurate. It's going to be adjusted shortly according to David Z.P. (the gentleman we negotiated our distribution rights with)
As for other unauthorized resellers in HK, Little Tube is "actively trying to find out how they source their Little Dots (i.e. which B&M supplies them) and shut them down"
I have no intention of competing with unauthorized resellers who source their goods illegally & do not provide any warranty. Believe it or not, my margins are already very slim.
Cheers!
- sash |
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| kg4icn |
Here is the reply when I brought up the price issue.
"Unfortunately due to the weight of the Little Dot T_100 the shipping cost to the USA is nearly $100 for EMS expedited with insurance. Add in the full warranty and it arrives at the price I quoted you. Please also be aware that except for Obad Imports, any Little Dot T_100 purchase that is not logged in our sales records will not be warrantied or supported due to it being considered from an unauthorized dealer. "
This actually checks out when I try and make an order. I can save $14 by ordering out of the US but there is no warranty. |
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| Elmont |
I just recieved this amp and will have more to say later. But for now I can say there are some positives with respect to the sonic output of this unit and there is also plenty of negatives with respect to the fit/finish and overall cosmetic presentation of the t_100.
Let me burn this unit in for awhile before I give a detailed overview of the performance.
Also be advised that my unit arrived with the optional tube stage but did not have CV131/EF92 tube setup as described in the specifications on the Little_Tube forum. It came with CV138/EF91 tubes..??
I'll get back with a review in the near future.........
Regards,
Elmont
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| abiedoodles |
| quote: | | I just recieved this amp and will have more to say later. But for now I can say there are some positives with respect to the sonic output of this unit and there is also plenty of negatives with respect to the fit/finish and overall cosmetic presentation of the t_100. |
thats good news you got one! we will wait for your review/comments..... im saving money for this amp.... |
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| shepperd |
| me too! Mine is on order. How bad is the bad??? |
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| kg4icn |
| Mine will be here in a week!!! Little Dot Headphone amp coming in today and the T-100 will be here in one week. |
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| Koolthang |
| quote: | Originally posted by kg4icn
This actually checks out when I try and make an order. I can save $14 by ordering out of the US but there is no warranty. |
Hi kg4icn,
Just to clarify a couple things for you and other potential buyers of Little Dot products as I think you may have misinterpreted David's email:
You in fact would save $$ by purchasing out of Canada (I guess you thought we were in the US) and your unit would be covered by the full warranty because we are an authorized dealer.
Thanks,
Sasha
Obad Imports
www.musical.ca |
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| mrdon |
| quote: | Originally posted by panomaniac
The tube buffer is odd. They use an RF pentode. Wonder if that can be changed?
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I believe this to be common with Little Dot products; that is, they use "oddball" tubes in places where a twin-triode (i.e. 12ax7) would traditionally serve. For example, I use to own the Little Dot 2 headphone amp which used an 1S5, a diode pentode, which was originally used in battery powered portable radios.
I wonder why the designer chose the EF92/6CQ6? For one I appreciate the creativity of integrating much cheaper tubes into a usable design. Nevertheless, I await reports on how this unit sounds. |
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| Elmont |
I received an email last night, from an authorized sales rep and moderator of the Little-Tube website, stating that the technical specifications for the T_100 was in error and would be corrected asap.
The optional tube pre-stage for the T_100 will be equiped with the EF91/CV138 valves.
Elmont |
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| kg4icn |
Grrr- I have on order some EF92 tubes for it. My T-100 should be here in the morning from China but I have already been charged and the tubes shipped out from Russia. Too bad they are the wrong type... I guess I got a little happy while waiting for the amp. Should have waited to get it in my hands first.
-lb |
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| mrdon |
I thought people might like a report on how the T_100 sounds. BTW, this comes from my contact at Obad.
| quote: | Out of the box, the unit sounded a little "thin" however, the soundstage was
wide and full (like the TA-10) and the details were all there. You could
hear those little nuances that Tripath is famous for. After about 10-20
hours the bass is a little thicker but still not enough for me. I don’t have
a good speaker match though: celestion impact 30's, 90 db, 150w, 3 ways.
Those speakers were sufficient for the Trends TA-10, but this amp needs a
pair more substantial..I'll be doing a lot more experimenting! |
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| panomaniac |
I got mine today. Haven't even fired it up yet (it's a 220V model, so i need to run power to it).
Nice heavy transformers. The PCBs look good. Wiring is OK, but certainly not "Audiophile" quality.
The input section is an Analog Devices OP275 op amp and a "pot on a chip" from Maxim. All the control is on the back of the display board. The tube section has some big caps in it, and is using odd radio pentodes. Don't know how it's used yet.
I'll be mapping out the signal flow then starting mods over the next few days.
WIll post my findings over in the Class-D forum. |
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| zheka |
Hello,
I am by no means a DIYer so forgive me for asking silly questions.
Is it at all possible to modify this unit to add a set of preamp outputs? this would allow to use this unit with subwoofer/satellites set up.
tyia |
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| panomaniac |
Good question.
It should be pretty easy. Maybe as easy as running some extra wire. I'll look into it and post the results. |
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| zheka |
| quote: | Originally posted by panomaniac
Good question.
It should be pretty easy. Maybe as easy as running some extra wire. I'll look into it and post the results. |
great, ty |
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| zigo3 |
Hello
This new tripath amplifier seem really interesting. I was hoping to read some news about it, in particular by Panomaniac :), but I did'nt found in forum nothing new. I read about everything about t2024 and t2020 and this t2022 seem very intriguing.
Somebody had the chance to try it?
Thankyou
rob |
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| zheka |
| quote: | Originally posted by zigo3
Hello
This new tripath amplifier seem really interesting. I was hoping to read some news about it, in particular by Panomaniac :), but I did'nt found in forum nothing new. I read about everything about t2024 and t2020 and this t2022 seem very intriguing.
Somebody had the chance to try it?
Thankyou
rob |
I have this amp for a few weeks now.
Please keep in mind that this is my first exposure to tripath based amps so i cannot really compare it to others.
i am not a DIYer, i have no clue as to quality of parts, upgrade options, etc. In fact i only opened my unit once to make sure that tubes are well socketed.
I tried the amp with Von Schweikert VR-3s and ACI Protege V speakers (both are 86db, 6 Ohm sets). I would imagine there are many other more tripath friendly loudspeakers out there.
However I felt the amp was able to drive both speaker sets fairly well.
I did not have any problems others reported - both tubes arrived undamaged, no hum, hiss in either bypass or preamp mode.
as far as sound i did not care for preamp section at all, however in bypass mode the amp sounded really nice. i did not hear characteristic SET sound others have reported for tripath based amps, however i found it very detailed yet musical. The lack of SET sound signature can be explained by the fact that the amp is much more powerful than most class-t amps as well as by my choice of speakers.
i am going to return the amp after 30 days trial period is over. when i bought it my hope was that it could take place of my separates, simplifying the system, however as integrated amplifier the unit was not up to task - lousy volume control and power buttons, cheap remote, questionable tube buffer, etc.
while it is nice as a stand alone amp, my Belles 150A is a better match for the rest of my system
gene |
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| zigo3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by zheka
I have this amp for a few weeks now.
Please keep in mind that this is my first exposure to tripath based amps so i cannot really compare it to others.
i am not a DIYer, i have no clue as to quality of parts, upgrade options, etc. In fact i only opened my unit once to make sure that tubes are well socketed.
I tried the amp with Von Schweikert VR-3s and ACI Protege V speakers (both are 86db, 6 Ohm sets). I would imagine there are many other more tripath friendly loudspeakers out there.
However I felt the amp was able to drive both speaker sets fairly well.
I did not have any problems others reported - both tubes arrived undamaged, no hum, hiss in either bypass or preamp mode.
as far as sound i did not care for preamp section at all, however in bypass mode the amp sounded really nice. i did not hear characteristic SET sound others have reported for tripath based amps, however i found it very detailed yet musical. The lack of SET sound signature can be explained by the fact that the amp is much more powerful than most class-t amps as well as by my choice of speakers.
i am going to return the amp after 30 days trial period is over. when i bought it my hope was that it could take place of my separates, simplifying the system, however as integrated amplifier the unit was not up to task - lousy volume control and power buttons, cheap remote, questionable tube buffer, etc.
while it is nice as a stand alone amp, my Belles 150A is a better match for the rest of my system
gene |
Thankyou gene.
I think your belles is anyway out of my budget. I'm thinking to Little dot like a nice ampli remaining in gainclone/tripath budget and I'm trying to understand if it's a good choice compared to 41hz amp1/amp5 and gainclones, considering that I'm not too able with welder :) |
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| sardonx |
| Sorry to bump this expiring thread, but is that a real aluminum faceplate and volume knob or just a plastic knockoff? |
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