| skogs |
hi,
should i use a 50 or 28v+- transformer for the "Figure 1 - Basic Amplifier Schematic" setup?
would a 50v 300VA be too powerfull?
would a 28v 300VA be too weak?
http://sound.westhost.com/project68.htm
thanks:) |
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| homertooties |
| Hi there i would definately go for the +and_50 vdc supply:) |
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| edl |
| A 80V-CT (2*40V) 500VA transformer will do the job fine. |
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| skogs |
the problem is that the site im ordering all my parts from doesn't have anything between 2*28v and 2*50v. are both of them so "unadvicable" (what can i say, im norwegian:P) that i should rather pay the extra bucks (shipping and stuff) for a for example 2*40v? i'm just wondering if the circuit can take 2*40v without overheating or anything.
thanks for the help:) |
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| Minion |
What type of transformer can you get?? If you could get a 2 x 24v AC transformer you will get 28v DC or more after rectification and Voltage drop.....
If you can get Two 2X18v Transformers then you could wire them up so each Transformer gives you 36v AC which will give you your +/-40v DC after rectification.....
Just a couple work around options in case you can not get the exact transformer you need....
Cheers |
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| XEAGLEKEEPER |
I am in the process of constructing a P68 using the 1 1/2 board ie. 500 watt and it requires the 50-0-50. I purchased a 50-0-50 @ 800VA off of ebay. Are you building the hipower version? The 1-board version has a recommended 40-0-40 @ 300VA or up to 50-0-50@at least 300VA and a big heatsink. Check out http://stores.ebay.com/Antek-inc_W0...0QQftidZ2QQtZkm
I mean a BIG HEATSINK! |
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| skogs |
i'm making the 300W version. so 50-0-50 will demand a much bigger heatsink than 40-0-40?
will 28-0-28 @ 300VA be insuffient?
and will a heatsink that offers 0.6C/W be enough?
thanks again for all the help:) |
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| AndrewT |
Hi skogs,
28-0-28Vac will give about +-41Vdc on no load and fall a bit lower when the output stage is biassed to final level.
35-0-35 about +-50Vdc.
40-0-40 about +-58Vdc.
45-0-45 about +-66Vdc.
What voltage does your amp need to produce 300W into what load impedance?
Now you can just about get away with 300VA for a 300W amplifier but I recommend you adopt the usual 1.5times maximum output power 300W use 450VA.
What kind of music do you listen to?
How loud do you listen?
Do you ever host a party with loud music?
Would you loan out your amp for PA duty?
These will ALL affect the heatsink size.
The lower the duty the less heatsink you can get away with.
Ask it to produce close to full power all night and 0.6C/W will overheat. |
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| skogs |
thanks a lot andrew!
the ting is that it's recommended a 40-0-40V @ 300VA transformatorer for about 250wrms into 4 ohms. i just wondered if the curcuit could handle 50-0-50V @ 300VA instead, without making any further improvements to it. or would this lead to overheat, distortion or anything?
the amp is going to be used for a subwoofer, 4 ohm. i will use it for HT and some varied music, from rammstein to bright eyes:P not very loud for long periods. so i'll just go for the 0,6C/W heatsink, and maybe mount a thermo-fan if the heatsink tends to get really hot. |
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| AndrewT |
Hi,
50-0-50Vac is an enormous jump in voltage into an amplifier.
PSU rails @ +-73Vdc.
Your output stage will be very severely stressed trying to work with this supply voltage.
It is effectively a different amplifier, due to all the SOA calculations having to be redone.
The output power will jump to about 500W but the voltage from the transformer will collapse very quickly and then start clipping the bass signal, sounding absolutely terrible.
For a good bass amp the PSU should be very stiff to hold up while sustained high voltage signals are driven into the bass driver.
Have a rethink, or do the extensive calculations carefully. |
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| skogs |
thank you:)
then i guess i'll rather go for the 28-0-28V, will this have any big downsides/backsides? |
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| gbyleveldt |
I'm busy bulding one too. 50-0-50 AC is really running things to the limit! You are not leaving much room for ac fluctuations. Elliot states that you shouldn't run it above 70Vpk and he was quite adamant about it and in your circuit you will have almost 71V at no load. Also, if you driving 4 ohm, you should take the 1 1/2 amp route, meaning you should add another 2 pairs of OP devices. This is also quite important! Have a look at the trafo you plan on using. If it's a toroid, it might serve you well to take a couple of windings off to drop the voltage with about 5V or so.
Cheers
Gert |
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| AndrewT |
Hi,
50-0-50Vac gives about 500W into 4r and may blow up the first time you ask it to play loud.
28-0-28Vac gives about 120W into 4r and will last forever.
You don't believe in a halfway house! |
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| skogs |
thank you so much andrew:)
i will try to find a 40-0-40V then, since i need more than 140w and don't want to have to worry to much for blowing up the amp! |
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| XEAGLEKEEPER |
| Rod recommends you use the additional board with the 50-0-50 transformer +/- 70 vdc and a large heatsink. Heres a pix of the heatsink I'm planning on utilizing. |
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| AndrewT |
| Who stole half your fins? |
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| XEAGLEKEEPER |
The sink is cannabalized from a 36vdc forklift battery charger.It also just happens to be the correct physical size for the sub box I have selected. One big plate-amp utilizing elliots 10 output P-68 , 8-band sub-woof equaliser P-84,P-38 signal detection circuit and several other supporting projects P-05,P-48 & P-23. The Woofer will be partsexpresse's 15" Titanic driver and its corresponding cabinet. As for the heatsink missing fins , Hmmm , I would,nt be surprise if a certain canadian moderator stole them. He does that @#$% all the time .Ya gotta watch him. LOL ...Well here in the states its Thanksgiving Holiday and I have to go cook a butterball and tune in a real football game in HDTV..
Cheers Dave |
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| marko_serb |
| Does anybody have picture of the pcb for printing? |
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| jaycee |
| The PCB layout is copyright Rod Elliot - if you want the PCB, buy it. |
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| XEAGLEKEEPER |
Whats up jaycee
This project kinda got put on a back burner.Did pick-up a 46-0-46 ,12-0-12 toroidal @ 1KVA and 4 - 7800uf @ 100vdc . The dual board P68 is allready stuffed as well as the P84 ,P05,P39,P33 and P48 just have to wire the whole mess together.
cheers
Dave |
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