| ppl |
Why don’t you go and get ****ed?
-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip LaRocco [mailto:plarocco@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 9 December 2002 7:28 PM
To: DIYaudio Forums Mailer
Subject: requiring a search prior to posting a new thread
your site has some stupid quarks and that is why I do not post there anymore one is requiring a search in order to post. not only is that bad but after you search I still get the same message. I will not post on your site until that problem is corrected. No other DIY audio sites require this. Thanks user ppl |
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| ppl |
| the ****ed was in my message with the complete vulgar intact |
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| peranders |
| Luckely no, ppl. Bye, bye, Phillip LaRocco! |
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| bob4 |
Hey ppL,
I don't understand your prob. If it's about the search you have to do before starting a new thread: you have to check a little box on top of the opening post form. You don't even need to make a search, the only thing you have to do is to check the bloody box!
Why do you insult people for something like that? That's poor behaviour.......:confused: |
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| ppl |
| I did not understand about the check box untill alot later. poor behaviour on my part Perhapps However if you spent the time i did trying to get this solved you would not be at your best ether. My point is that in no way should a Modorator or anyone else be so Vulgar in a reply people is it Just in the U.S.A that this matters and the rest of the world this is considered ok? |
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| halojoy |
not easy to find out, but so it is
/halojoy
by the same rule, posting |
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| bob4 |
ppL,
glad to help you :cheerful:
| quote: | Originally posted by ppl
My point is that in no way should a Modorator or anyone else be so Vulgar in a reply people is it Just in the U.S.A that this matters and the rest of the world this is considered ok? |
Ooooops, I didn't get that part of your post! You mean, you complained about the thread- opening prob you had, and got in reply "why don't you go and get ****ed"| quote: | | with the complete vulgar intact |
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| UrSv |
| quote: | Originally posted by halojoy
not easy to find out, but so it is
/halojoy
by the same rule, posting |
Can't really see how it could be more obvious since it is there at the start of the page:
Have you searched?
(Required)
That does not however justify the vulgar reply. Other things may.
On the other hand I personally think that that question is justified and definitely should be there. If there was only a way to check that a search actually was performed would be even better. That way we wouldn't have thousands of threads on heatsinks and PSUs for Aleph 5...maybe.
/UrSv |
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| ppl |
| Yes i totaly missed the Checkbox for searching. this is not required on the sites i frequent the most so it did not occur to me that this was a requirement on these fourms. Yes my primarry complaint is the Vulgar reply I could have lived with anything elce. Like, Hay stupid... ect. However To reply to a members request for help However moronic it may seem with such a Reply is totaly unexceptable and i have Never in my life got sutch an answer from an Internet Administrator. People in that Posistion are to use tact and not fly off the handel like that as thay are not fit for that Posistion if that be the case with Them. dealing with the Plublic should be by People that understand how to do it right. How long would say Microsoft Keep such a person? |
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| janneman |
PPL,
If I may put this a little bit more in perspective, this was your msg:
"your site has some stupid quarks and that is why I do not post there anymore one is requiring a search in order to post. not only is that bad but after you search I still get the same message. I will not post on your site until that problem is corrected. No other DIY audio sites require this. Thanks user ppl"
Who do you now think is "flying off the handle"?
I do not endorse the vulgar remark, but after reading your msg I can perfectly understand the frustrated remark by a monitor. Not agree, but understand, read what I say.
It would show a lot of maturety from your side if you would acknowledge that.
Jan Didden |
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| halojoy |
ppl
Have you heard the expression:
like you ask, you get answered
in swedish
som man frågar, får man svar
ask these moderators in the right way
not their way
but
YOUR best way
might help us
always be the one you are = the one you ought to be |
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| ppl |
| I did cover those points and like i sed i could have lived with anthing elce. read my later posts |
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| halojoy |
| quote: | Originally posted by ppl
I did cover those points and like i sed i could have lived with anthing elce. read my later posts |
i do not need to
welcome here
and enjoy! :cool: :) :cool: :)
I recommend my thread:
He is back and better than ever -
that is me, I, halojoy is back! :att'n: :att'n: :att'n:
You are over 15 years aren't you?
ppl :confused: |
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| joensd |
Why do you all make yourself a big head about checking the box?
I think the big point is that some moderator replied in a vulgar way which is not right.
I think if this special moderator is not able to apologize he´s got the wrong job here and should get ****ed for every member being here.
Jens |
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| halojoy |
| quote: | Originally posted by joensd
Why do you all make yourself a big head about checking the box?
I think the big point is that some moderator replied in a vulgar way which is not right.
I think if this special moderator is not able to apologize he´s got the wrong job here and should get ****ed for every member being here.
Jens |
Which moderator?
maybe she/he would like to explain her/himself
without whining
truth always reveals sooner or later whether you like it or not |
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| peranders |
| quote: | Originally posted by peranders
Luckely no, ppl. Bye, bye, Phillip LaRocco! |
Sorry, ppl, I did get somewhat confused. I didn't get that ppl was Philip.
BTW: You can check "Searched" without searching. |
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| ppl |
| I dont know about anyone elce but i do not take kindly to being told to Get ******* if thay are not where i can hit them, and i am sure most perple will not also. moreover i intended to bring this up as it is an issue that needs to be taken care of and jason should reconsider his posistion if this is his attatude. |
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| janneman |
This tread makes me throw up. Didn't realise I ended up in Kindergarten.
I can accept the occasional slip-up of a moderator, I do it all the time myself. Even if I am on the receiving end. I want Jason in as moderator.
Jan Didden |
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| edm |
I think the 'yes I searched' checkbox is a GOOD THING(tm), it reminds you not to clutter the board with something, which may be dealt with extensively.
The only place I found it to be funny is in introductions, yes I searched the boards, but havenot found my previous introduction before :D. |
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| kelticwizard |
A) So who is the moderator who sent that to you? You have not made yourself very clear in this thread at all. I spent several posts thinking, "What is this guy talking about? There is no moderator named Philip LaRocco!
B) The moderator who sent that to you was wrong. However, your original statement was less-than-polite, and invited a less-than-polite reply. Not as bad as you got, true, but there is no reason why the moderator has to be nice while you vent away about "stupid quarks", (I didn't know we had an Nuclear Physics forum, LOL), and issue ultimatums that if everyone doesn't jump up and change something immediately, you are not posting here anymore.
Some ultimatum. The board has over 3,000 members posting here. Did you seriously think you would be missed?
C) Your original contention about the Search requirement is without merit. This is a technical forum, and the same material gets covered over and over again. It makes little sense to have an exhaustive discussion on a topic over the course of several days, only to find that a week later the same question is being asked again by a different member.
That Search requirement was put in there so we, the users, can have a better forum without having the same questions being asked and answered all the time. The forum wants to answer the basic questions, especially by newbies, but also wants to put special emphasis on new and inventive approaches to things. Hence, the Search requirement.
If events are as you describe them, and there were no additional insulting parts to your original post, I do believe the moderator should be called up on the carpet. However, it should be noted that his response was not completely out-of-the-blue, but rather an overreaction to a post that was insulting in the first place. |
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| janneman |
Well said.
Jan Didden |
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| kelticwizard |
Thank you, Jan and Halojoy.
The name is from my (half) Irish descent. Since I believe that electronics and science is the true Wizardry of this world, the name was meant to convey a lighthearted image of a guy in a pointed hat and flowing robe using capacitors, diodes and transistors to cook up his magic, rather than the traditional hot cauldron full of eye of newt.
What the heck do newts look like, anyway? Has anybody on this forum actually seen a newt? :confused: :confused:
PS: Just checked out the interesting link. In America, Celtic and Keltic are virtually synonomous with Irish, though I have come to realize that that Scots are of the same descent. |
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| janneman |
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisable from magic" - Robert A Heinlein (I think)
Jan Didden |
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| ppl |
I thought i did Jason donald this is his reply to my email about him saying that.
Mate as long as you post your original question verbatim you can post it anywhere you want! Go right ahead! :)
-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip LaRocco [mailto:plarocco@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2002 12:36 AM
To: jason@neodisco.com
Subject: RE: requireing a search prior to posting a new thred |
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| Ken L |
| quote: | Originally posted by ppl
I will not post on your site until that problem is corrected |
Mods and sysadmin of DIYAUDIO.
Pleae do not make any changes to the feature as requested by this user.
Although I doubt it, I have hopes that he will do what he says and never post here again.
Something isn't right here, and I don't think it's the mods and sysadmins
Quite sincerely
Ken L |
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| ppl |
| Not to worry this is my last post I will stay in my comfort zone where people are more respecfull. what is not right hear i talked about at the start and then everyone is missing the point, moreover as was sed by another i will not be missed and that is OK with me |
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| bob4 |
ppL is right, we should stop this ridiculous thing . So much is misunderstood and overblown in this thread. Some people should read everything through carefully before they post. :xeye:
ppL, I'm glad that you decided to stay at diyaudio although some folks don't stop posting **** and insulting you........
What a shame to our beautiful community!
moderators!! Please close this thread!!! |
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| Jason |
Sorry to open this thread up again to post a final message, but I feel I need to on behalf of the moderator team. <i>The message was from me, and no reflection on the moderator team, of which I am not a part of</i>. I just keep the server running.
In retrospect, the email probably didn't deserve such a pathetic reply, but I thought it was funny at the time.
When someone writes a monosylabolic (sp?) unpunctuated rant telling me that they refuse to post on my site because of a minor inconvenience, I should be polite and take the time to be nice and explain the reasons why the site works way it does.
I was weak, I got on a power trip, and so, I would like to formally apologise to you Phillip for letting my own lack of personal security embody itself in this act of immaturity (sincerely).
This thread has been re-opened for constructive criticism so that anyone wanting to get anything off their chest can do so. |
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| remp |
Originally posted by Jason
When someone writes a monosylabolic (sp?) unpunctuated rant
What's one of those things look like. |
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| bob4 |
| everything cool again :) |
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| joensd |
| quote: | | everything cool again |
YES. Let´s close this thread!
Welcome PPL.
Jens |
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| bob4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by joensd
YES. Let´s close this thread!
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again............. :D |
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| kelticwizard |
| quote: | Originally posted by joensd
YES. Let´s close this thread!
Welcome PPL. |
I don't know about that. It seems to me that there are still things to consider here.
The Webmaster just put himself in the Sin Bin!!!!!
Couldn't it be said that this is taking Democracy too far?
Hey, I like Democracy as much as the next guy, but let's consider this. A Democracy is a system where citizens all contribute to the financial pot, donate their time to do what is necessary to keep things running, and in return get the benefits of that nation.
Here, we have one man, Webmaster, who shoulders all the burden, is charged with all the responsiblilites of running a site day after day, week after week, at great expense to his time and financial resources. That is his "contribution", if bringing something into existence and keeping it alive can be merely termed a "contribution".
I mean, the very second Webmaster decides, "I'm sick of this ****" this site instantly ceases to be!!
Whereas, our sole contribution, as members, is to drop in here at our convenience and bloviate endlessly on any subject that pops up in our little minds.
So when the time comes to dole out punishments for transgressions, is it logical to put Webmaster in the same category as the rest of us? Look at the difference in contributions between himself and us!
Websites aren't Democracies. Nobody pays anything except the Webmaster.
Democracies don't have to require everyone to pay equal amounts, of course. You can have sliding scales, etc. for taxes. Flat tax vs graduated tax is another subject entirely. But even under the present system, in Democracies people of equal income pay roughly equal tax, (minus exceptions for children, etc.). If you are too broke to pay much, or anything, you have to start paying as soon as your financial ship comes in.
With 3,000 members, it is a statistical certainty that at least some us have more money than the Webmaster. Yet, we will never contribute to the running of this site, financially or administratively, as the Webmaster does. Why? Because the website is not a Democracy, that's why!
Even if there is provision to voluntarily contribute, as some websites have-I do not know if this one does that-it is all window dressing.
DIYAudio will never be a Democracy until the day when the cost for running it is distributed, by agreement, among the members according to a formula, be it flat percentage or sliding scale. The occasional voluntary contribution, if indeed provision for that exists, changes nothing.
I hereby call upon DIYAudio to end this sham and for the Webmaster to take his rightful place at the head of this website. It is his, he started it, he pays for it, and there is no reason for him to put himself, or to allow himself to be put into, the virtual doghouse while the members get to luxuriate in the main house as if we pay any bills around here.
Free The Webmaster!!! |
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| Peter Daniel |
Maybe we should change the topic of this thread to: "Is this how Webmasters are treated";)
But this is what members always wanted: no exceptions - everybody treated equally. We only tried to please you.;) |
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| Serow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jason
When someone writes a monosylabolic (sp?) unpunctuated rant telling me that they refuse to post on my site because of a minor inconvenience, I should be polite and take the time to be nice and explain the reasons why the site works way it does.
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I don't want to speak for Phillip, but I have known him online for a few years and would like to explain his writing style. He does not do this to annoy people; he has overcome barriers that would keep most people from posting on the internet at all. As a result, this style is the only way he can communicate in a bearable amount of time.
He has a wealth of knowledge to share, being a former IC designer at Analog Devices, I believe.
ppl, please don't get discouraged by this inauspicious beginning, I for one would enjoy your contributions to this forum |
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| Ryder |
Said above : Welcome PPL ( And I add: Welcome Frank and Dice too.)
Said Above : PPL, please don't get discouraged by this inauspicious beginning, I for one would enjoy your contributions to this forum
Said Above: Free the Webmaster
I second all of the above.
Jason slipped. But running a place like this can be a rather thankless and time-consuming job.
PPL slipped. He quickly criticized what he did not understand. It would have been far kinder and wiser to ask a question and understand before threatening to take his business elsewhere. The search function here is good. THANKS Jason. How many times must smart folks who are willing to help be asked to explain the same thing? PPL, you should learn how to use the search function instead of criticizing someone who works grata to make this all happen. Jason deserves the benefit of the doubt and MORE. I hope you (PPL) stick around here, accept Jason’s apology, and don’t take what some other person said too seriously.
That is not to say that what Jason said was “right.” It would have been far kinder and wiser to explain why it is set up that way. But he has apologized. Apparently, he did not mean it in the way it came across. Jason thought “it was funny at the time.” Actually, I think I can see how he thought this. PPL was asking him to make a change in the board for the worse (he (Jason) would have been “screwing himself” and the rest of us to make the change) and in the heat of the moment responded in kind. It is easy for the “weight” of a statement to be lost on a forum without tone of voice etc…In this way I thank Jason’s remark resembles Frank’s sad reference to courts and suits. It was intended one way - and taken in another (unfortunately a very serious and “threatening” way).
There is an ancient tradition of pardoning the condemned at Winter Solstice based, in part, on the hope that it will appease the God’s and help restore light and warmth to the planet. The tradition heralded a turning point, a celebration - The day that marks the return of the sun and all that is good. Given the quickness with which most of us condemn, there is a certain wisdom and humanity in such traditions.
It would be nice if all those recently exiled and such would be invited to return.
The timing is certainly right.
Tis the Season
Peace
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| trwh |
Very well said, Craig.
FWIW, you can see how this forum began in the Internet Archive, here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000124...rum/forum.shtml
Check out the very first post on the board at the bottom of the page, made by Jason.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Tim. |
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| Christer |
So, Jason has been put in sin bin, which is a good demonstration
that the system is working in this case. However, I agree with
those of you want to let him out again. I think nobody really
demanded this to happen, there were only requests for facts
and comments from Jason and/or the moderators. Further,
Jason did apologize for what he did, which I think is sufficient.
Remember that most people who have been put in sin bin for
offending others have ended up there because they did not
apologize even when asked to by the moderators.
LET JASON OUT, he did apologize for what happened. |
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| joensd |
| quote: | I don't want to speak for Phillip, but I have known him online for a few years and would like to explain his writing style. He does not do this to annoy people; he has overcome barriers that would keep most people from posting on the internet at all. As a result, this style is the only way he can communicate in a bearable amount of time.
He has a wealth of knowledge to share, being a former IC designer at Analog Devices, I believe.
ppl, please don't get discouraged by this inauspicious beginning, I for one would enjoy your contributions to this forum |
I can only underline this.
When I started DIY i was hanging out onHeadwize almost every day and read numerous of PPL´s post to build and repair my circuits. He´s definitely an enrichment to the forum.
And I actually don´t have problems with his writing style at all.
Craig mentioned the rest : Free Jason,...
Jens |
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| Thomas |
Something is wrong here! :(
It's a feeling I had ever since Grey left in anger. |
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| till |
Things are not getting better by putting Jason into sinbin. As i said, the problem is not there is not enough moderation, the problem is too much moderation. And this problem isn´t solved with more and more moderation or moderators. Everything gets more and more ridicolous.
Moderators, consider to act more defensive. Only do something if there is a REAL need. Don´t do anything only because you belive it´s right in a situation, wait. Act not before escalation happens. You disturb more than anyone would be able to repair. |
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| P.Lacombe |
"the problem is not there is not enough moderation, the problem is too much moderation" (till)
That is exactly my opinion.
Moderation is censure, censure is violence.
Violence can be used, only with extreme care, only when all others ways have been tried without success, and only in order to remedy an effectively intolerable problem. Not for convenience, even of many people, not for obscure moral philosophy reasons.
Furthermore, inconsiderate moderation causes more trouble than it solves, as all inadequate medicine, or excessive feedback in an amplifier.
But concerning the beginning of this thread, I think that it is a very good idea to suggest a search before posting. Just, if possible, some short explanation in a "pop-up" would be more friendly.
Regards, Pierre Lacombe. |
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| Ken L |
| quote: | Originally posted by Serow
He does not do this to annoy people; he has overcome barriers that would keep most people from posting on the internet at all. As a result, this style is the only way he can communicate in a bearable amount of time.
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1. I was leaving, having been called in to work and acted too hastily.
2. I didn't catch the fact that he was an Elder here - which is information I should not have overlooked.
3. ppl's style and manner erroneously led me to believe that he was a troll. (error also relates to number 2, had I taken time to check)
I admire people who have the courage and determination to overcome difficult problems and hardship. This can take many forms that are not readily visible in Real Life much less in cyberspace.
I did not behave as my momma raised me in this case:rolleyes:
I am sending ppl an e-mail to this effect and to state clearly that I welcome his presence here.
sincerely
Ken |
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| pinkmouse |
Family Fights are always the worst...
Just a quick thought, we are all spouting off in these few threads about moderation and censorship being a bad thing, but think about it a little.
Apart from the 20 odd people who have been sin binned and the odd few who have had posts cut, including me, how many of the rest of you have ever suffered personally from unjustified censorship?
I would guess there are probably four or five hundred members currently active on the boards, posting about 5000 messages a month between them. Yet there are only 20 people in the sin bin!!!
I think that's a miracle personally, less than a fraction of a percent, of rude, abusive, or dangerous posts requiring punative measures, rather than just a quiet word.
Think about the numbers- go on- think... |
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| BrianGT |
why hasn't this thread been closed back up?
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Brian |
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| Peter Daniel |
| quote: | Originally posted by BrianGT
why hasn't this thread been closed back up?
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Brian |
Because we are not afraid of a little critique.;) |
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| halojoy |
i am not afraid either
but i do not like unjustified criticers |
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| bob4 |
Hi all,
Hmmm, there have been some very interesting posts, especially those made by Ryder and Kelticwizard.
I think kelticwizard made a very important comment:| quote: | | The Webmaster just put himself in the Sin Bin!!!!! |
IMHO he must have asked the moderators for binning him. (any moderator is welcome to comment on that) But what does that mean?
1. If you have a look at his signature you can see, that he has only made about 400 posts in 2 years! He's probably occupied enough with keeping everything running, that it doesn't matter if he isn't allowed to post for two weeks. (else than some lunatics with 2k+ posts ;) )
| quote: | | Here, we have one man, Webmaster, who shoulders all the burden, is charged with all the responsiblilites of running a site day after day, week after week, at great expense to his time and financial resources. That is his "contribution", if bringing something into existence and keeping it alive can be merely termed a "contribution". |
2. I don't think he is going to give it up, IMHO his voluntary SinBinning is a beautiful gesture to us nerds. DAmn, this man loves his site so much that he bins himself for the sake of it!
Now isn't that nice????
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kelticwizard
The Webmaster just put himself in the Sin Bin!!!!! |
This isn't quite correct (i was there).
A moderator asked that Jason be SinBinned, Jason agreed that he deserved it.
dave :cop:
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| till |
| I personaly think it is a over reaction to put him there. And in the most other cases it is over reaction also. I hope the moderator who asked has no fun in sinbinning. If so, he is dangerous. |
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| kelticwizard |
Consider the moral unworkability of putting the Webmaster in the SinBin.
For any other member, when they are put in the SinBin, it is a case of telling them, "Get lost for a week. We don't want to see you , hear you, or know about you for that time. Begone!-for you have earned temporary banishment." It's a complete break.
The board requires nothing of the member other than they cease posting. The member does not have to pretend he or she likes or agrees with the temporary ban. The member has the option of maintaining that he's had a bellyful of the people on this board, and that he needed a break from them. Indeed, the member can even claim that he didn't care because they had other things to do that two weeks and he wouldn't have had the chance to post anyway.
In short, the board allows the SinBinned member dignity.
Not so when you SinBin the Webmaster. No dignity for him.
Because after they prevent him from posting, the board still expects the Webmaster to continue to run the server and do all the necessary things that enable other members to post!
This is outrageous. The other SinBinned members are not put into a state of such servitude. Other SinBinned members can claim that they were taking a vacation from DIYAudio themselves. They can say, "I had enough of DIYAudio for awhile". Not Webmaster. He is expected to perform his daily duties every day. He cannot claim that he was sick of this board and needed a break anyway. He has to bow his head and do all the necessary things for others to do what he himself may not.
This is not a mere SinBin sentence against Webmaster. This is servility, and it is an ugly thing to witness.
If the Webmaster's transgressions are really so serious, then the board should be logically and morally consistent and be prepared to shut down all operations for the length of the Webmaster's sentence. Either that, or somehow make arrangements for someone else to provide and run server space, etc. during the Webmaster's banishment.
Sorry, but you cannot claim you are banishing someone on the one hand, then tell them you fully expect them to keep coming around on the other. It's got to be all the way, or it is nothing.
I hereby call upon DIYAudio to put an immediate end to this travesty of justice and to put Webmaster back where he rightfully belongs, at the head of the board he conceived and created. If he wishes to make an additional apology to ppl in light of the newly emerged fact of ppl's disability, that would certainly be appropriate. However, to continue to claim that Webmaster is banished while still fully expecting him to do all that is necessary to run the board, without a peep of protest, is to commit an affront to the very concept of decency and fairness.
Free The Webmaster!! |
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| Peter Daniel |
The Webmaster's SinBinning is rather of symbolic nature and supposed to have metaphorical meaning. It just shows that he is ready to take the consequencies of his actions and is not afraid to face critique. It also shows that we stand behind our rules and don't bend them for our purposes as some suggested. The SinBin sentence has no practical consquences to the forum and Jason can free himsels, if he wishes so.
It is also just the opposite to the other occurence, when well respected member was actually suggested to voluntarily accept 3 days SinBin sentence, yet his pride didn't allow him to do that and he just disappeared ever since (leaving in anger, as somebody mentioned earlier). ;)
Kelticwizard,
I will always remember you as a freedom fighter.:nod: |
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| joensd |
| quote: | | Because after they prevent him from posting, the board still expects the Webmaster to continue to run the server and do all the necessary things that enable other members to post! |
Don´t get me wrong; I think the webmaster should be freed as well (not fried) but what you´re writing and so the fact he makes this website possible is no excuse for what he says to people.
And so the symbolic nature of Jason being sinbinned is actually justified. I think a day would be symbolic enough.
Jens |
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| roddyama |
IMO the Jason’s 2 week symbolic SinBinning is justified. If you go back a take a look at the Philip’s (ppl) profile, you’ll find he is in the top 10% in terms of length as a member of the forum and number of posts. The transgression against one of the top members is the issue here, and that shouldn’t be lost in our admiration for Jason and the job he’s done. I think all on this forum appreciate the job that Jason does for us (even Philip), but fair is fair.
Come on back Philip.
I'm agreement with the moderators on this one.:yes:
Now if they will allow Frank back...:D
Rodd Yamashita |
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| Ryder |
Said above> The Webmaster's SinBinning is rather of symbolic nature and supposed to have metaphorical meaning. It just shows that he is ready to take the consequencies of his actions and is not afraid to face critique.
Yes Peter, I agree, anybody who could miss the symbolism of the DIYself-crucifixion this time of year is dead in the water. That it is named the Sin-bin is only too appropriate. In the grand tradition: Socrates, Christ and now…. Jason.
“And who, confined to the Sin-bin, arose on the 14th day, to save us from our DIYaudio-Sins.”
This is really too much. It all makes me want to reread Lord of the Flies. Instead of moderators maybe you should call yourself Apostles. Or if you like latter Christianity, “Inquisitors” is a nice handle too. Maybe just for the Holiday Season?
Said Above> It also shows that we stand behind our rules and don't bend them for our purposes as some suggested.
Well, that is one interpretation. But maybe it shows you are trapped by your rules and cannot escape them if you wanted to. This whole thing reminds me of the most forlorn inflexibility one would expect to see out of Wash. D.C. with all the plastic-haired cretins there.
Isn’t it clear. Instead of the transparent and purely symbolic act of condemning Jason (a grade-schooler could see through it and so it carries no effect) you should have freed the others. As Rodd says...If they would only bring Frank back......
This, I am beginning to think, is not an option….with the nature of things being what it is.... and Rules and all.
Cheers
Peace
I’ll go back to just reading.
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| bob4 |
Oh damn,
this discussion gets more and more polemic :headbash: :bawling:
no further comments...... |
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| cocolino |
| quote: | | The Webmaster's SinBinning is rather of symbolic nature and supposed to have metaphorical meaning. It just shows that he is ready to take the consequencies of his actions and is not afraid to face critique. It also shows that we stand behind our rules and don't bend them for our purposes as some suggested. The SinBin sentence has no practical consquences to the forum and Jason can free himsels, if he wishes so. |
That the webmaster put himself in the SinBin (not unjustified) for what he said, I regard as a really beautiful gesture towards the community, also as it may be only of symbolic character.:cool:
The leaders and moderators are not infallibly and that`s only human. That they are aware of this and ready to take the same consequencies as we "normal mortals" is GOOD.
If only our politicians would act in the same manner the world would be a better place.
More important I rate the apology from Jason to Philip. Though Jason`s reply is understandable to an extend, the apology was neccessary not though he is the webmaster but BECAUSE he is the webmaster. As said above - all humans can fail - it`s not a big thing even if it happens to a leading person as a webmaster or moderator. To face it and to express a sincere "SORRY" is how real men (and of course woman too) should behave. Jason has done it and that`s :up: :up: :up:
All this shows me that I´m still in the right place here although I feel concerned about the recent mess of very valuable members leaving this board respectively got banned.
Mentioned this I have to say the Bernhard (dice45)/ Frank (fdgrove) issue still appears unresolved to me and I would like to see some more action from the moderator team towards saving what is still to save and to terminate this with a less than sad result as it is at the moment. I fear that more than "less sad" will be unrealistic because at least Bernhard to this board seems to be lost forever very unfortunately. |
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| pinkmouse |
Christoph,
My Mum used to say "Time heals all wounds", hopefully this will apply to this and other disagreements... |
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| chris ma |
It has been a while for Grey and Geoff now,
miss them guys... |
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| Ryder |
Said above PMouse>> My Mum used to say "Time heals all wounds", hopefully this will apply to this and other disagreements...
Guess my mama was wrong.
She told me time wounds all heels. Based on extensive personal experience I believe she was right.
Who is that in the Sin bin :wave2s: |
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| cocolino |
| quote: | | My Mum used to say "Time heals all wounds", hopefully this will apply to this and other disagreements... |
Hi Al:)
Of course Your Mum is right and definetly it will be so.
That`s life and I can (have to) accept it.
But what it`s hard for me to accept is why at least not trying everything to reduce the mysery to the lowest possible extend.
Regarding this IMO there is not yet everything done......
Even if it would not improve the current situation, the wounds would heal better and faster and are less liable to break up again knowing that everything has been tried. What counts is the try not neccessarily the result.| quote: | | It has been a while for Grey and Geoff now, miss them guys... |
Yes it`s a pity that it continue that many of the most valuable members here are vanishing.
Still wonder why it has to be so:(| quote: | Guess my mama was wrong.She told me time wounds all heels. Based on extensive personal experience I believe she was right.
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| P.Lacombe |
| <b><font color="red"><font size="4">Free The Webmaster!!!</font></font></b></font></p> |
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| ppl |
Greetings all,
As far as I am concerned this matter is settled and I wholeheartedly forgive Jason for his transgressions on me that started this controversy in the first place. I really admire the convictions of Jason to not only apologize for the vulgar language, both in public and to me in email. But also the insights offered by Peter Daniel. I understand it is a daunting task for anyone to consider all the sensibilities when the audience is International and not only covers a wide area of cultural and National accepted public Etiquette, but includes the wide variance of age differences of the members of this diverse Forum. What may be truly offensive to elder people like me! Just might be considered Funny by the Younger members. I thank the members that replied to this thread for pointing that out to me. I think that Jason’s apology is enough for my concerns and hopefully he has learned something from this experience as I surly have.
What made me email Jason in the first place was when I went to post I would get an error box stating I needed to search prior to posting. I would search and then try and post and would get the same message. This kept going on over a dozen times. At that point I was quite irritated and thought something was wrong with the software that this bulletin board uses. And that maybe for sure something had changed since the last time I posted, as I don’t recall ever having to check a box stating you searched already. However in reflection and as part of my continuing self improvement I realize that my memory is Very fragmented and that I could have easily forgot about the check box. This I am truly sorry for jumping to conclusions on
I am however still unwavering in that under no circumstances and regardless of what the persons perceived IQ is should a Reply of the type I received be considered a proper response to my type of question, even if it came off harsh. As I previously stated anything else would have been ok. Again I would like to apologize to Jason for my harsh request in the first place and yes indeed I was out of line to do that. I should have waited until the initial frustration went down before requesting technical support. For this I hope Jason you can forgive me. I am really impressed that this forum has not chosen to suppress or censor a topic as sensitive as this. As it is my opinion that these things should be open for discussion. I am real impressed with the way the members and most importantly the webmaster and moderators handled this situation. I will continue to post on this forum as I now have a newfound respect for the ethics and dedication that the People that make this forum possible have. And I for one am grateful of there efforts.
It is my hope we can all put this behind us and move forward from this without any animosity towards anyone I am surly going to. |
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| pinkmouse |
Well said. Hear, Hear
Welcome back, ppl:) |
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| Ken L |
BTW, you don't have to search to post to an existing thread.
but you do have to search to start a new thread:D
Ken |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by P.Lacombe
<b><font color="red"><font size="4">Free The Webmaster!!!</font></font></b></font></p> |
But he is free... it is Friday the 13th.
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