| dice45 |
All,
I resign as moderator right now. Do i stick to the power? Don't think so.
From what i read in the conspiracy thread, there is only one thing for me to
do: to leave.
Anything left to say ? I think not. I doubt it would be believed.
No matter what i say, the dirt will stick.
I have become a load for the forum. You all are better on without me.
Bye
(dice45) |
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| roddyama |
Dice45,
I for one don’t want to see you go, for the same reasons that I believe the whole Frank incident should be rescinded, and for the same reasons that I feel Gray should come back, and that Fred should stop being a “Stepford” Fred;) . You are all good for the forum, and we all learn from each of you. Granted, I wouldn’t necessarily wish to see you in the moderator’s position again, but that’s not a bad thing. There are very few around here that I feel should be moderators, but that’s my opinion. I’m sure that there are those that disagree with me about this and everything else I’m saying. That’s alright too; everyone should have their own mind about things. It’s what drives this forum, the differences. If everyone thought the same and agreed on everything, Jason could just host an Audio Library web site that collected “words of audio wisdom” from the gurus.
So you stick around and get in a tiff now and again. Maybe you get away with it calling someone and ***, or maybe not. So what, you spend a week or two in the Bin and get a few things done around the house.
So no, we are not better on without you, we are better on with you.
Rodd Yamashita |
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| AudioFreak |
Thanks for your thoughts Rodd.
Dice45 has asked that he be allowed to leave quietly and that we would not discuss his leaving in public.
Regards,
AudioFreak
diyAudio Moderator. |
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| grataku |
Sorry to hear you are leaving Dice45. As for you not wanting us to talk about it, that's a little too much to ask.
If leaving in anonymity was your desire why posting it? It's a little bit like announcing one's suicide and expect people to do or say nothing about it.
Are we going to be better off without you? I don't know. I won't rush to any conclusions.
That brings me to the point here: quick, not so well thought out decisions have been IMO a problem on the part of moderators in the past, even more so a complete inability to forsee negative impact of these decision and the inability to apologize for them in the public forum to the entire members when such bad decisions have been reversed.
Being a Moderator must be very hard, too many hours on the computer too much typing, and too much surfing. I don't envy the job and I am glad someone's doing it. Under this much pressure, mistakes are made tempers run hot and sight is lost. This is probably what happened with the whole Degrove affair.
I said outrageous things in the past on this forum, made a complete *** out of myself and apologized for it.
I offered an explanation and a sincere apology, even when I thought I was right, I tried to learn from my mistakes and move on. It is about all one can do. Some people will accept the apology, others won't, that's just life.
The other approach, the hard *** one, is to make a well though out decision, may take weeks to make, or say what's on your mind, stick to it, and be ready to defend your decision or statement because it's a good decision or statement, you made it.
In my experience, middle-of-the-way approaches simply don't work.
So it would be fairly easy to fix things up and get back to business.
Good luck to you Dice45. :)
and sorry for the spiel! ;) |
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| peterr |
| I am VERY sorry Bernhard has left. Even though I think it was wise to quit the moderating business. It obviously took all the fun out of DIY Audio for him. I hope he will come back and make some enthusiastic on-topic posts again. Just like the good old days. :hug: |
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| chris ma |
I am very sorry to hear Dice45 go too, same as Grey, same as Geoff, same as......:bawling: I personally miss all you folks.
How come Nelson Pass is still around? May be we all should learn from him too, not only just audio ;)
Regards,
Chris |
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| rwagter |
| The S/N is reggetably getting awfully big on this forum!!!! Let's get on with DIY instead of what the other is saying! |
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| Brett |
| quote: | Originally posted by grataku
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That brings me to the point here: quick, not so well thought out decisions have been IMO a problem on the part of moderators in the past, even more so a complete inability to forsee negative impact of these decision and the inability to apologize for them in the public forum to the entire members when such bad decisions have been reversed.
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So it would be fairly easy to fix things up and get back to business. |
<b>Exactly</b>
An apology should be made, and Frank's ban lifted immediately.
It's the reasonable, honourable and courageous thing to do. |
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| peranders |
| I think everyone has the right to a time determined punishment. I think that Frank may have had a filthy mouth but I'm sure he can improve himself. Let him stand in the "skamvrån" for a month or so. Compare Fred/Harry! Everyone can improve. |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
| Umm..... I think you mean small. Less signal divided by more noise is smaller not bigger. |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
| Now if we can just get Peranders to leave............ |
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| jean-paul |
Why Per has to leave ? It is great to have an other opinion than he has. :D
Without controversy a forum like this isn't fun and nothing we can learn from. Suppose everybody thinks the same, talks the same !?!? Wouldn't be very inspiring would it ? My esteem for Per is high despite the sometimes contradictionary things he says. Just have a look at his website to see what the man has done.
Instead of just talking and/or simulating he actually builds audio gear.
It is easier to disagree than to agree on the matters we like for a hobby. This shouldn't be a problem when we disagree/agree with a healthy respect for the other despite his/hers opinion.
Recently a lack of respect is showing its head around the corner. War have started like this in the past. Convincing people of your opinion certainly won't succeed if respect is lacking anyhow.If brought with respect someone might even agree with you if not partially.
Please let's keep cool and let's try to make this forum a peaceful place again. The Dice45/Fdegrove thing has stirred up things to levels that don't fit on Diyaudio.com.
Jean-Paul |
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| jh6you |
Fred: Hey!! Your speaker looks like the sound track to Jaws...
By the way, I feel very sorry for the case. My posts about
moderators were not to suggest any resignation... :sigh:
JH |
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| ststone |
I think it is the end of year jitter, they will all be back on February 29.
Sint en Piet zaten te bedenken
Dat pakjesavond er is voor geschenken
Straks wordt er op de deur geklopt
Voor Nelson Pass die z'n eigen boontjes dopt
Als dit cadeau van papier wordt ontdaan
Heeft Nelson Pass niets meer te wensen voortaan
Voor een kind dat soms ondeugend is
Is deze Aleph-X misschien toch lekker en fris
Je krijgt nu wel dit mooie ding
En voor Sint was dat niet gering
Alle kinderen groot en klein
Gaan in de zak als ze ondeugend zijn
De zak met pakjes is bijna weer leeg
Je kreeg nu je koekje van bloedeigen deeg
Bedwing nog heel even je ongeduld
Want straks is je voorraad weer aangevuld |
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| ststone |
| Sorry about the Dutch Poem, but It is a special day for the Dutchies |
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| jh6you |
| quote: | | Is deze Aleph-X misschien toch lekker en fris |
Even here, Aleph-X...?!!? :faint:
JH |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
Sigh............... I said it in jest since Peranders had used my rehabilitation as an example. It was a bit of harmless fun and I don't want anybody to go away. Back to the Dice 45 issue:
First, the correct phrase is "You all are better OFF without me." I think what is more important is what is better for Bernhard. He has drawn a lot off criticism, some deserved most not however. his only real sin was excessive passion for his moderation duty and the desire to see civil discourse on the forum. I don't blame him for wanting a break from being a lightning rod for criticism.
I see little support for any of the moderators when the act. It is a shame since the forum can use some moderation and it is a tough call in most instances. If I were a moderator I would slap a lot more people in the Sin Bin and not waste a lot of time justifying my actions. We have reached a point on the forum where the number of petty personality conflicts looks to outnumber the number of post about audio. If you want drama I recommend opera. Is any body interested in audio design anymore other than to start a fight over someone's ideas. |
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| jean-paul |
Hi Ststone,
You must be dutch to know the language so well ! Your Sinterklaas poems are better than mine I have to admit.
The risk of posting in the dutch language is that if the french, germans and swedes for example will start to do the same this site will become unreadable ;)
Sinterklaas is an old saint that gives away presents at the 5th of December ( his birthday ). He arrives per ship from Spain with guys that are called Zwarte Pieten. They hand over sweets to the children and scare the children that have been naughty.The children that have been sweet the past year will be given presents on the evening of the 5th. The ones that were not so sweet are being taken to Spain where Sinterklaas lives. Of course this doesn't happen to a lot of children. :)
Sinterklaas was imported to America by the dutch immigrants and somehow it developed to Santaclaus and a connection was laid with X-mas.
Strange thing is that Santaclaus was imported back to the Netherlands because of heavy american influence. Nowadays children receive presents from Sinterklaas on the 5th and from Santaclaus on the 25th of december. :confused:
Of course the children don't mind... |
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| ststone |
| Jean-Paul, I am sorry but being away from the Netherlands made me nostalgic. I think we should allow one posting in a native language per member per month. This was mine and I will not do so for the rest of December.:D |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
| He would be a busy guy on this forum........... |
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| peterr |
| quote: | | I think what is more important is what is better for Bernhard. He has drawn a lot off criticism, some deserved most not however. his only real sin was excessive passion for his moderation duty and the desire to see civil discourse on the forum. I don't blame him for wanting a break from being a lightning rod for criticism. |
Right.
Now I go and do some soldering. It must be healthier than all this. |
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| chris ma |
I think Everthing else include noise. (IMHO)
Common folks, let it all out , clear your chest, but no swearing please, imagine all governments all over the world have swearing in their daily debat. I know some actually throw punches..
Imagine Bush saying in congress " I want to shove a nuke up Sad@3"^'s #$@ and kill all %**&ing C@#%s, and any of those european #!^oles that do not agreed with me are ~!#ing wa&$k#s!!' How the TV and Radio can report the $+*&ing c#@*
Mr. president, How the beep are you? Oh beep, I beep forgot that he is such a beep beep .....beep..
May be we will be beep ok before beep X-mas and back to beep normal.
beep
Chris:D |
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| UrSv |
The suggestion from the Dutch:
Midvinternattens köld är hård,
stjärnorna gnistra och glimma
Alla sova i enslig gård
djupt under midnattstimma
Månen vandrar sin tysta ban,
snön lyser vit på fur och gran,
snön lyser vit på baken
Endast tomten är naken
/UrSv |
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| jean-paul |
Hello Ststone,
I can imagine your nostalgic feelings being away. There is a special atmosphere around here these days as you know.Children are tense because they know they are getting presents.Parents ask themselves if they have prepared everything well.
But I think this is the ultimate example of threadjacking !
Sinterklaas will take you and me to Spain I guess for not obeying the forums rules.:bawling: |
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| jean-paul |
Midvinternattens köld är hård,
stjärnorna gnistra och glimma
Alla sova i enslig gård
djupt under midnattstimma
Månen vandrar sin tysta ban,
snön lyser vit på fur och gran,
snön lyser vit på baken
Endast tomten är naken
Translation please ! :bigeyes: |
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| ststone |
line 1. Mid-Winter Nights cold and hard
Viktor Rydberg : Tomten
In nordic folklore, a tomte was a kind of - not always benevolent - vätte (spirit or minor deity) connected to a farmstead.
Rydberg's immensly popular poem, first published in 1881, transformed him into a combination of fatherly guardian and philosopher. Combined with the gift-giving Julvätte ("Christmas vätte") of Rydberg's earlier story Little Vigg - and, of course, with foreign influences - he then evolved into the modern Jultomte, local version of Santa Claus.
The young artist Jenny Nyström (1854-1946) illustrated both the poem and the story - and thus embarked on a 60-year career devoted to creating the visual image of the Swedish christmas.
In 1960 the poem, suitably adapted by Astrid Lindgren, was made into a children's book with new illustrations by Harald Wiberg. In this form it had - and still has - considerable success on the international market. |
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| halojoy |
| quote: | Originally posted by jean-paul
Midvinternattens köld är hård,
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Translation please ! :bigeyes: |
This site can translate.
do not forget to use special keyboards commands
for å, ä, ö (aa, ae, oe)
http://www-lexikon.nada.kth.se/skolverket/swe-eng.shtml
I am afraid this national poem is slighly paraphrased (twisted)
:cool: midvinternattens köld är hård
:cool: mid winter night's cold is hard (tough)
I am afraid you have to have winternights like the swedish or canadian, to get the feel of it :D |
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| ststone |
Hard is the cold of Midwinter's
night,
stars sparkle and gleam.
In the lonely town at this midnight hour, all are sleeping.
Moon wanders its silent way,
snow lights white on fir and spruce,
snow lights white on roofs.
Only tomten is awake
Sinterklaas is jarig
Zet je schoentje klaar |
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| halojoy |
oude wijn in nieuwe zakken
could this be
old wine in new bottles
that is my association
like
there is nothing new under the sun
although it might appear like new |
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| ststone |
To an un-trained eye this would be correct.
The direct translation does not always capture the emotion.
Your last edit is close to the reality.
I must say you are good. |
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| bob4 |
As we are already veeeeeery far off- topic, I'll throw in my share regarding swearing and posting in one's native language:
"liirum laarum lappalainen,
haista vittu kappalainen,
tämä oli ainut keino,
kirjoittanut Eino Leino"
merry christmas!! |
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| JBL |
Il semblerait ne pas avoir beaucoup de francophones!!
oups presque oublié Joyeux noël haha. |
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| Ryder |
said above >>>"Why Per has to leave ?
Sigh............... I said it in jest since Peranders had used my rehabilitation as an example. It was a bit of harmless fun and I don't want anybody to go away."
This is typical of forums and part of the problem. One never sees a face or hears the tone of voice. Tongue in cheek, irony, etc.. is often taken seriously or if you start down a road that is taken poorly by someone (knocking the pet project whatever) you never have a chance to take a "facial" reading and adjust accordingly..
Anyway, Im kinda new here and do not post much, but I wish everyone would come back in...... Frank, Dice ........
The collective IQ went down with their leaving.
Tis the Season
Cheer
Craig Ryder
(Drop me an e-mail for a collection of DIY online tube electronic
articles/sites. Helpful for beginners) |
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| ststone |
No foul language is uttered here. (in any language, I checked)
Let's wish and hope that everybody comes back at one time.
Atleast to this forum
Season Greetings. |
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| zeno |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ryder
The collective IQ went down with their leaving.
Shouldn't this insult to the rest of us be reported to the moderators?
;)
Marc |
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| UrSv |
| quote: | Originally posted by ststone
No foul language is uttered here. (in any language, I checked)
Let's wish and hope that everybody comes back at one time.
Atleast to this forum
Season Greetings. |
Not foul but slightly daring? I tried at least but nobody noticed :bawling:
/UrSv |
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| Christer |
| quote: | Originally posted by UrSv
Not foul but slightly daring? I tried at least but nobody noticed :bawling:
/UrSv |
I am sure several of us did, but it's hardly fair that native
speakers of swedish point it out. :)
BTW, you ought to go to sin bin for posting a travesty of
Rydebergs classical christmas poem. OTOH, posting the whole
original in swedish would probably have been more than most
people could bear. I don't even remember how long it is. :) |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
That includes shooting the bird at anyone I presume. I hope I have not offended as I was a bit leary of posting this. I am a bit concerned for some reason, but I can't quite put my finger on it.....
Note: Image removed. Image determined as vulgar. -CHRIS8 |
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| UrSv |
Fred, I remember you posting offensive components...
This is getting out of hand.
/UrSv
NOTE: Image removed. -CHRIS8 |
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| Orgonom |
| Kindergarten!:bawling: |
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| ststone |
Fred, please you are killing me...
Now i have to go home and get some dry underwear.
Still Rolling over the Floor ;0)
No Bull*******
NOTE: Asterisk(*) denotes that word has been censored. Was deemed vulgar. Image deleted. Was determined vulgar. -CHRIS8 |
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| Orgonom |
Of course i didn`t want to offend anybody.
Andreas |
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| Ryder |
>>> re "The collective IQ went down with their leaving."
Zeno said "Shouldn't this insult to the rest of us be reported to the moderators?"
Oh well, I guess I was confusing my IQ with the rest of you. I guess that was an insult!
It looks like 30 days in the hole.
Cheers,
Ryder |
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| Christer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryder
>>> re "The collective IQ went down with their leaving."
Zeno said "Shouldn't this insult to the rest of us be reported to the moderators?"
Oh well, I guess I was confusing my IQ with the rest of you. I guess that was an insult!
It looks like 30 days in the hole.
Cheers,
Ryder |
Why, you didn't say that the average IQ went down, which may
or may not be an insult, depending on peoples opinion of the
IQ of those who leave. The collective IQ would reasonably mean
the sum of IQ or maybe the max of IQs or something similar. If
people get insulted by their own interpretations of what others
write, then we are in deep trouble. |
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| planet10 |
Enuff venting. Back to DIY please.
dave :cop:
(moderator hat on) |
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| Jocko Homo |
One last post before I disappear. (For how long? Who knows.......)
There is a byline in an advert in this country that goes :
"This Bud's for you."
Some of us have more discriminating tastes, so, from one PITA to another:
"This brau is for you."
I wish you good health, and happier days.
Jocko |
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| mrfeedback |
"Note: Image removed. Image determined as vulgar. -CHRIS8"
"NOTE: Image removed. -CHRIS8"
"NOTE: Asterisk(*) denotes that word has been censored. Was deemed vulgar. Image deleted. Was determined vulgar. -CHRIS8"
I missed them - can someone send me a copy so I can be the judge ?.
Eric. |
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| Brett |
| quote: | Originally posted by mrfeedback
[BI missed them - can someone send me a copy so I can be the judge ?.
Eric. [/B] |
I thought you of all people would have known you can't dare question the motives or actions of chris8. He'll just close the thread. Especially when he's wrong, and can't bear to have someone point it out. |
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| halojoy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brett
I thought you of all people would have known you can't dare question the motives or actions of chris8. He'll just close the thread. Especially when he's wrong, and can't bear to have someone point it out. |
Stop this!
I know that Chris8 is never wrong.
Onguards
hollow joy |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
| I thought Chris was a woman's name! I pictured her as the the brunette shown from the rear on the left. This changes everything and I am really puzzled now!:confused: |
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| Brett |
I had my say about chris8's lack of fortitude right back when moderation started, as he scurried off and hid, closing a thread where he had mode some statements, and was called to back them up (which I doubt he can). Rather than answer the pointed (technical) questions (not posted by me), and for no other reason, he closed the thread. He did exactly the same thing today.
Between then and today I have had nothing to do with him.| quote: | Originally posted by halojoy
I know that Chris8 is never wrong. |
Undoubtedly he feels the same way. |
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| jh6you |
| quote: | Originally posted by planet10
Enuff venting. Back to DIY please.
dave :cop:
(moderator hat on) |
You want a solution. Put out a piece of paper. Make a list of all names in this thread and in the threads near by.
Give them a package SinBin...
Half done...
:Popworm:
JH |
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| Brett |
| quote: | Originally posted by jh6you
You want a solution. Put out a piece of paper. Make a list of all names in this thread and in the threads near by.
Give them a package SinBin...
Half done... |
And how are they going to do that without looking like even bigger hypocrites?
If it bothers you so much, why read the threads? It's not as if they have an audio topic in the subject line. |
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| nobody special |
| quote: | Note: Image removed. Image determined as vulgar. -CHRIS8
NOTE: Image removed. -CHRIS8
NOTE: Asterisk(*) denotes that word has been censored. Was deemed vulgar.
Image deleted. Was determined vulgar. -CHRIS8 |
What is vulgar is the amount of censorship going on in here. Yikes! :xeye: |
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| halojoy |
Let's talk about Dice45 leaving
I would think 99% will be missing him.
His friends for losing a friend.
His enemies for losing somebody to fight with.
The rest for losing potential information he could give.
This he knows. So he punishes everybody by leaving.
But the one suffering most is Dice45.
Onguards
hollow joy |
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| jh6you |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brett
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If it bothers you so much, why read the threads? It's not as if they have an audio topic in the subject line. |
What is wrong with me...???
JH |
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| bob4 |
All,
I was just wondering why dice is still listed as a moderator although he has announced to leave :confused: :confused: |
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| mrfeedback |
My bottom line thoughts are live and let live.
Bernard effed up in saying what he did, and Franks response was taken in the wrong light and got him banned.
Both are valueable members here, and previously have been well regarded and respected for their collective inputs.
I feel that Bernard's response was out of character, and that he was just having a bad day, and his response was not from his true heart.
I hope that lessons have been learned all round, and that sincere apology be given, and that the apology given gracefully recieved and acknowledged - given my understanding of the two identities principally involved, I expect that this is a mere formality, and ego's will not intrude.
Both members involved have invested much time and effort to achieve the status that they have held until very recently, and that this not be discounted lightly.
An immediate noble soloution is that both parties shake hands publically, and continue anon.
Given the chance, this whole thing will blow over in a weeks time, and be retrospectively viewed as a learning phase in the evoloution of DIY.
There have been some constructive suggestions given in the discourse in this thread and related threads lately, and if at least some be adopted, then so much better for the forum collectively.
I suggest that any censoring or deletions be flinged into a say 'Deleted' or something permanent thread, and not be permanantly removed from public view.
I also suggest that threads be 'un-closed', at least after a brief cool-off period.
Now, how about the moderators invite Frank and Bernard back and without impositions, in order that the ggood things can continue like before.
Eric, The Hopeful. |
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| Bas Horneman |
| Well said mrfeedback....!! |
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| vpharris |
You beat me to it, BH.
Eric just about expressed my thoughts exactly. Well said. |
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