| ostie01 |
Hi, would like to know if it's possible to eliminate ground loop problem
with optocoupler or can it be used in amplifier input.Are they stable enough. Can I use this device to transfert analog signal like in audio circuit. Thanks everybody for your time.
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| Upupa Epops |
| Look at datasheets of CP Clare.... |
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| davidsrsb |
There are some instrumentation isolators that may be good enough for audio, using a pwm system across capacitors.
Linear modulation of an IR diode driving a PIN diode works fairly well except at very low frequencies where I have seen strange non linearity and memory effects.
A transformer may be your best solution. |
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| peranders |
| Seriously, I think it better to solve the casue of the ground loop problem. Have you built the gear or is it bought? |
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| ostie01 |
Hi, thanks for these great reply.Not built anything yet.It's for my 4way active crossover project.When I hook it up to a power amplifier, I got some hum in the speaker.Tried some tricks like disconnect ground from one end of interconnect but this is the worse I can do, more hum.tried some other interconnect with same result.
Just take a look at this link, this is my crossover project.Every cables is sheilded, separate transformer, each board has it's own filtering caps and voltage regulator. All capacitors are polystyrene or polypropylene for the bass output. all ICs are NE5532.Each ICs has a 22 Ohm resistor and a 22uF capacitor at the neg and positive input. Just let me know what you think. Thanks
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/18...ossover17pl.jpg
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/...ossover20de.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/56...parleur18eh.jpg
The last pic is a picture of my 4way speaker that I've built.
All my power amp are Rotel exept for the 15 inches drivers this are power by an Harman Kardon citation 7.1 with 450 watts/channel.
My crossover is built in a Rotel power amplifier case that has been modified, reduce in height to match the height of my Rotel line conditionner.Still have to finish the front(sanding and painting to match other Rotel components. |
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| richie00boy |
| I suspect that your problem lies in an issue with your grounds within your crossover. When you have separate regs for different boards it can become tricky to keep everything starred properly. |
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| ostie01 |
| HI, I know what you mean but the 2 boards have the same ground path.Each boards is grounded to the case. |
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| richie00boy |
| If things are grounded to your case, have you used isolated input and output sockets? Also when you say grounded to the case, do you mean a star ground at ONE point on the case for ALL boards? |
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| ostie01 |
| No, I used standards input gold plated with ground attached to the case.I tought that it was better this way, maybe I was wrong.Every cables for input and output is sheilded with the sheild attached to ground. |
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| richie00boy |
| Nope, the sockets should be isolated. I'm afraid it seems you have some major grounding issues to put right. |
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| ostie01 |
HI, thanks for those great reply. What could I do, replace every every connectors.I don't know if I can isolate them from the case, I think I can't.Here's the pic of the RCA connectors I use.
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/49...onnector2ay.jpg
What is the main reason why those connectors should not be grounded to the case, they will be anyway with the sheild.
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| richie00boy |
| You should only have one ground, and that should be of star formation feeding off to everything that needs a ground. By allowing the sockets to contact the chassis you make multiple ground points which can create eddy currents in the chassis (if steel) but also slightly different ground paths will be present. |
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| fab |
Hi "Ostie01" (it sounds weird a little bit knowing what it means...)
I agree with Richie00boy. Your RCA input/output jacks should be isolated. You can use the same non-isolated jacks if you do not want to buy new isolated ones. Just increase the size of the holes in the metal chassis so they do touch the RCA jacks at all. Then use an isolating material like plexiglass plate (for example) and fix all RCA jacks to it. Afterwards, just fix your plexiglass plate witch screws to the rear metal chassis. See example in attached picture (sorry for the picture quality...)
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| ostie01 |
| Thanks, will try out and let you know of the result, Thanks |
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| ostie01 |
Hi, well this not seem to work , nothing changed, same hum.Just remove rca connectors from case , put some electrical tape around to prevent short circuit and still have that hum.
Here's a pic at output of speaker B , sorry for poor quality pic but it's not easy to take picture of a screen.
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1015/oscillo5yv.jpg |
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| richie00boy |
| Have you revisited the rest of your grounding scheme, making sure things are starred properly? |
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| ostie01 |
HI, not sure of what you are talking about.Do I have to isolate the two main boards from the case, i.e. there's a ground path that's surround the two boards and the the screws that support the boards are made with metal and touches the ground path around the boards and are screwed to the metal case.Here's another pic with some comments, maybe this can give you a better idea.
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| richie00boy |
Hmm that doesn't sound ideal.
Your central ground should be at the centre of your PSU capacitors, then anywhere that needs a ground should have it's own wire from this point. There should be no other paths. This prevents any ground loop currents from forming within the subsystem, but also ensures that one board or whatever putting a lot more current into/out of ground does not influence the other boards grounds.
I think you have some reading up on good grounding principles to do before you attempt any more of this project. Your main issue could be caused by something else, but it is important IMO to get your basics right. |
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| ostie01 |
| Hi that's exactly what I've done.I you look closely, you'll see that the black wire(ground) is connected in the middle of both filter caps.Do you think I should build a single power supply board for both channels.Does it worth a try. |
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| richie00boy |
| You should be fine with PSU for each board as long as you star them together properly. Each of these PSUs should have a wire off to the actual main central star ground, usually at the earth screw on the case. |
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| ostie01 |
Hi, hope my question will not cause you too much toubles.I have now isolated each boards from the case and attached a wire between each
ground(psu to psu), now the left channel have no hum at all, very clear
but the right channel still have a hum.Will continue to investigate the right channel to find out what's wrong.But I have to confess that I'm a little bit lost.Thanks |
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| richie00boy |
| You should not have a wire between each, but a wire from each to the central star point. This point should be located on the chassis, mains safety earth should also connect to this exact same point. |
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| ostie01 |
Hi, just one last question please.When you look at the picture,you'll see that all wire that goes from NE5532 output to potentiometer, to output jack are sheilded cable and grounded near were the cable is connected itself, should I remove these sheilded cable and use standard non sheilded wire since my transformer is outside the case.
There's 20 grounded connections per side(10 sheilded cables) not counting input connections,That's a lot of ground connections.Should I have the minimum ground connections i.e. one per boards,one for input and one for output connected together.If you look at center left,I add the star ground like you suggested but maybe there's others things I can do to make it better.Thanks in advance
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| richie00boy |
Really the ground on the boards should be input and output ground to the same point. This usually works itself out in practice unless you have a load of inputs and outputs on one board. Even in that case it might not be so bad in practice with low power circuitry. Looking quickly at your pic things look OK.
The sheilded cable is fine and the best way, think of any inputs or outputs as extensions of the board, so you see their ground is best done on the board not back to the star. If you use isolated sockets then everything should be fine as there is no loop. |
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| ostie01 |
Hi, thanks for all yours good advices,was a misconception problem,after checking it all following what you said, turn out to be a psu grounding issue, have isolated ground from psu and connected ground from the two boards to star and complete silence, no hum.What an improvement over my last setup with the two rane AC23.
Just want to thank you and everybody posted on my tread. |
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