| Peter Daniel |
Somebody mentioned it in a review and I'm curious what it is.:)
Any links? |
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| SY |
| They've got a website at www.bybeetech.com. Hilarious. I hope he's making a killing vacuuming out the pockets of the gullible. There are too many stupid people with money these days and he's doing his part to change that. |
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| SY |
| I love that second link- these are made from materials that are CLASSIFIED! He's a braver man than I gave him credit for, risking life in a Federal penitentiary to bring greater audio purity to the world. |
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| Peter Daniel |
| Thanks, that was a quick response. In the links I did not see pricing but an upgrade to Gainclone was $500.;) |
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| Tai-Pan |
brain.....exploding.
I may not be the highest end audiphile, but can I tell you these cannot be as good as my snake-oil infused interconnects.
;)
Man, its like the guy isn't even trying. The engergy required to effect measureable phonons within copper would be a lot. A whole heck of a lot more than are possible with any amp we could get out hands on. Besides, a non-latice structure is pretty much imune. Now this off course assumes that we could even hear it. Looking at a driver the wrong way would have more effect on the sound. |
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| mrfeedback |
I have been using something with similar effect for years.
I have tried using samples of superconducting material but it did not like the sound imparted.
In a DSP AD/DA box belonging to my cousin, we set it into sig gen mode and had a look (CRO) at the staircase waveform out of the DAC.
The horizontal sections of the waveform had a randomish noise superimposed without the 'stuff' and an ordered noise with the 'stuff'.
On listening to white noise (preamp hiss or FM hiss) the nature of this noise changes subtley and becomes rather easier on the ear.
On music program the effect is a nice cleaning of the sound, more friendly and involving, nicer detail, and ability to run a given system harder before getting nasty.
This works for me on modern shelf systems, component hifi, pub PA systems, and even on a 20,000 audience PA system when placed on the multicore and power feeds.
Interestingly the effect is not immediate - it takes a couple of seconds to kick in, and a couple of seconds to disappear when the 'stuff' is removed.
Placing the 'stuff' on transformers, components, cabinets, cables, AC cords, speaker magnets all have this effect.
Colleages who have heard the effect all remark 'Put it back' when shown in A/B testing, and 'more analogue'.
I now can't be bothered listening without it.
Eric. |
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| jgwinner |
| quote: | | Jack is quite at peace with the reality that the "you can't hear it if I can't measure it" and "if it's not in my college physics book, it's not true" types who haunt the Internet forums will most likely reject the Quantum Purifiers without trying them, and possibly even after trying them. The closed mind is mightier than the ear, I suppose. In this writer's opinion, anyone who can't hear the musical benefits of this technology is barking up the wrong hobby. |
I love this - the typical "If you can't hear it, then you don't know what you are doing".
Double blind, anyone? :D |
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| SY |
I'm not sure what the term "near-superconducting" means, though Bybee throws it around a lot. I'd guess that he doesn't know what it means, either, but figured it sounded cool.
BTW, a quick search of the USPTO indicated that he's never gotten a patent in the field of conductive materials- or for anything else, either. Hmmm. Even a dummy like me was able to squeeze out half a dozen or so during my defense industry years. |
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| fdegrove |
Hi guys,
Where to start?
Didn't you all have the same dismissive attitude when OFC cables were introduced?
I know I had.
Didn't you all have the same dismissive attitude when cryo treatment was introduced?
I know I had.
Didn't you all have the same dismissive attitude when silver cables were introduced?
I know I had.
Didn't you all have the same dismissive attitude when CD-players were introduced?
I know I had.
Didn't you all have the same dismissive attitude when component isolation was introduced?
I know I had.
Didn't you all have the same dismissive attitude when you were told to forget that suspended TT deck and go for high mass unsuspended one?
Ok.You got me,I knew that last one all along.
Point is I know this to work and susprisingly well to boot.
I also know why it works,forgive me for saying so but quantum physics IS physics much the same as you have algebra and abstract math,much the same as you have organic and anorganic chemistry.
Much the same as you have flatearthers too.
Is it worth the expense?
I'ld consider it were my system CD based and I'm sure I had it to it's full potential maxed and squared.
Do I know ways to design in such a way as to not need it to get the same results?
I might.
Main question is are the claims valid?
ABSOLUTELY.
Last question: what is the biggest problem for a scientist?
A:His environment and all the prejudice that goes with it.
ROTMFLAO....
Peter:try before you buy.
Cheers,;) |
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| MRehorst |
Well, er.... no, wait, I changed my mind.
This one ISN'T worth commenting on...
MR |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
Kinda proves the point at hand wouldn't you say?
Calling all enlightened:Fred (hey I speeled it correctly),Jocko and all others?
Rest assured it DOESN'T take a doctorandus degree in Nuclear Physics to splain this.
Sleep tight,;) |
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| Ken L |
while I cracked a joke about it, I was only half kidding - knowing that Peter will try different things -
I was referring to the subjectivist -objectivist thread that ran on so long when I asked was he trying to start something.
I will readily say that I am skeptical but not convinced of either con or pro.
Only my ears will convince me of yea or nay - but with the product being ultra high dollars, on my budget, I am unlikely to make a final determination, which is why I figured Peter Daniel could _test_ the product for the rest of us at DIYAUDIO. ;)
I do have one reservation, though - If this is "the greatest thing since grits" why have we not heard of it as being so??
On even numbered weeks I am a skeptical cynic. On odd numbered weeks I reverse myself and am a cynical skeptic, for balance - and because I have trouble remembering which week I'm supposed to be on:D
Ken |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
Shall we now appoint Peter as our official "guinea pig"?
Shall we then chip in and put 10 USD in his piggie?
Ken,
Like your sense of humour though.
Chopping up the timber?
Cheers,;)
P.S.i don't drink Claret but real Bordeaux. |
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| SY |
Frank, just one question. Do you see differences in degree of wildness in evaluating wild claims? Would you treat someone who claims to have greatly increased a generator's efficiency, beyond what engineers know how to do but within the realm of conservation of energy, the same way as someone who claims to have invented a perpetual motion machine?
In your mind, when someone throws around buzzword terms which have specific meaning to professionals in the field (which I'm not, though I've published a few refereed papers on quantum theory and conductive materials), but uses the terms in "unusual" ways, offers no evidence other than testimonials, is secretive about what exactly is going on behind the curtain, AND is selling something, is there not *some* presumption that this might be a scam?
BTW, James Bond shot a waiter in one of his movies for saying what you said about Claret. |
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| fdegrove |
Hi Sy,
I understand you fully.
More than one question is put forward so I'll try to address it and respectfully:
"BTW, James Bond shot a waiter in one of his movies for saying what you said about Claret."
As we're both wine lovers I'll address this point first:
To quote one of the most hilarious Caribbean musicians,Shaggy:
"It wasn't me"
Admittedly I got tipped and played along.
Q#2.| quote: | | Do you see differences in degree of wildness in evaluating wild claims? Would you treat someone who claims to have greatly increased a generator's efficiency, beyond what engineers know how to do but within the realm of conservation of energy, the same way as someone who claims to have invented a perpetual motion machine? |
A#2.Yes.Yes.
Q#3.| quote: | | In your mind, when someone throws around buzzword terms which have specific meaning to professionals in the field (which I'm not, though I've published a few refereed papers on quantum theory and conductive materials), but uses the terms in "unusual" ways, offers no evidence other than testimonials, is secretive about what exactly is going on behind the curtain, AND is selling something, is there not *some* presumption that this might be a scam? |
A#3.No.Has anyone ever met with a product revealing all of the science behind the thinking as to the why and how?
Sorry,but I think ByBee is very revealing compared to the rest I've seen.
Best regards,:cool: |
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| Peter Daniel |
| quote: | Originally posted by fdegrove
Didn't you all have the same dismissive attitude when ...
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You forgot one:
....when they said blue LED improves CD playback.;) |
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| fdegrove |
Hi Peter,
I deliberately left a ton out....
Must admit the blue led hadn't even crossed my mind.
I do have limitations as it turns out.:D
No need to quote Jean Gabin's "Je sais..." on this one .
As I advised before then?
See ya,;) |
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| Ken L |
Trying to remember which week it is and whether I should be skeptical cynic or cynical skeptic :headbash:
- or maybe I'll just quit worrying about it and send $10.00 (canadian) to Peter :headbash:
Ken |
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| mrfeedback |
I have no problem with the concept that placing the right mix of materials strategically placed can make a nice sonic improvement/change/tuning/flavour to audio systems big and small - I know this for fact.
I do however have problems with USD$500 or USD$750 for what in my experience can be had for much, much less.
Frank, thanks for your words regarding openness to 'new' ideas.
Guys, (the non-believers*) just because you don't know the reasons or cannot grasp the concept or have not experience, please learn to be uncynical toward new ideas.
The key is to open your mind and then your ears, and then you will hear more clearly.
Eric.
* - I use the term 'believer' wrongly.
I more so mean those who are dismissive and yet inexperienced. |
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| MRehorst |
One of the regulars here has an appropriate signature-
Something about keeping an open mind, but not so open that my brain falls out....
MR |
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| SY |
The great philosophers Penn and Teller once said that if a major beakthrough in our understanding of the Universe happens, it probably won't be announced on The Tonight Show by a washed-up dancer.
There's a corollary: when a major revolution in all of quantum and solid state physics occurs, it probably won't be from a guy selling hifi gadgets out of his garage. |
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| BrianGT |
pic of conclusion:
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Brian |
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| mrfeedback |
Because of the extreme prices quoted mainly, and therefore very limited market penetration.
Also getting one's head around the concept that putting some kind of obscure mix of materials around a wire can change sound.
Hell, most guys here refuse to believe or understand that cable dielectrics of differing materials or colours can influence the sound.
The 'stuff' I speak of has strong sonic effect and is cheap, although difficult for most people to obtain.
The effect of Mpingos can be heard clearly by those who have heard them, but nobody bought them because they are too expensive, and the mystical marketing department words probably do not help either.
I have heard Mpingos and agree that they do influence system sound, however I do not particularly like their sound.
Peter, if you can get the opportunity to try the Bybee purifiers for free, by all means do so.
I expect that they will have a sonic effect, maybe not completely pleasant, and the price may not match the benefit.
Eric. |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
Every one continent,culture or what has has it's favoured accesories for hi-fi.
Quite likely just dependng om local press and hype but who knows?
People talk about the mpingo stuff,they may never have heard of fluxblusters and so on.
Would it be a dead end if we were to collect that into a single thread?
We could even add cables,analogue i/c l/s and powercords or what have you as well.
One could then discuss ideas about the composition of said accessory and why it seems to do what is is prceived to do?
With the Cryo and Bybee stuff currntly running it just flushed, err crossed my mind.
???;) |
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| Christer |
I am sure most of you already know it, but for the rest of you,
there was quite a lot of discussion about the Bybees over at
audoiasylum a while back. I don't have a link at hand, but
searching for Bybee should get you there. |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
Looking back,I think it would be both wise and interesting to concentrate on what said product claims to do in general.
How the results are achieved is of course the most ineresting part obviously but I would advise against concentrating on a particular brandname,rather pick a name for the application.
What can be measured?What not?
Does any of our members have experience with this?
What say the press and so on?
Nice weekend,:cool: |
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| pinkmouse |
As MRehorst was good enough to quote my sig earlier on, I thought I better put my Ha'porth in!
The thing that makes me cynical about all these hyper expensive tweaks, is that, the price.
In general I am a cynic, but despite the fact I could see no physical reason for it , I tried using Cat5 cable as connection cables from my rectifier to my gainclone amp, and I was pleased with the result.
But, if this was done as a commercial product, the sleeving would be a different colour, and the price would be about £1000 a metre, for exactly the same product. It would have a flashy web site, with loads of technobo**ocks, and glowing reveiws from al the latest trendy hi end mags, simply because the manufacturers had bought some ad space.
Then the psychology kicks in. People would buy the product at this horrendous price, possibly hear a small improvement, which is tiny in relation to that produced by well designed and engineered kit that could be bought, (or built, as we are on a DIY website), for a fraction of the price. Then they have to justify this purchase to themselves, and so the hype factor comes in, as they broadcast the "New Way" to all and sundry to avoid undermining there own self esteme and "good taste".
From my memories of studying economics, ( a long time ago!), the availabilty of products against price, should be that of a bell shaped curve. I bet if these high end tweeks were plotted this way it would be skewed badly towards higher prices!
Rant over... :D
Eric- don't keep us in suspense, tell what this magic material is so we can try it for ourselves:) |
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| mrfeedback |
"Eric- don't keep us in suspense, tell what this magic material is so we can try it for ourselves"
Al, I could tell, but then I would have to kill you. ;)
I have spent 30 years studying many many aspects of all the sciences (mainstream and alternate) before coming to predictions and homing in on the right 'stuff', so sorry I can't tell for now.
This is not intended as conceit, rather keeping a commercial opportunity close to my chest.
This need not be expensive and easily incorporated into new at production level, or existing systems, so as I see it, it may be a pleasant improvement to all audio and visual systems, even become standard equipment.
The first step in this road to Damascus is to understand what your ears are telling you.
I fully agree that extreme retail prices on some tweaks invite great suspicion, especially when clothed in extraordinary claims and explanations.
I have a little more homework to do in terms of formally backing up some of my findings, and then I can give honest explanations to support such a product.
This is not black magic, and need not be expensive.
Eric. |
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| Ken L |
| quote: | Originally posted by pinkmouse
In general I am a cynic |
I knew that I liked you ;)
Must be that I sensed a kindred soul :D
You are a positive person but say you are a cynic.
I sincerely try to be a positive person and aspire to look at life and people in a positive framework, although I don't always achieve this.
Yet life and experiences cause a shift to cynical skeptic (or skeptical cynic) all too frequently -
maintaining a proper balance between the two ( don't always achieve this either) seems almost as profound as the meaning of life at times
:spin: :spin: :spin: :spin:
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| fdegrove |
Ken,
Come to Bruges for a good meal at the "Duc de Bourgogne"
and you'll be cured.
Promise.:D
Re:Bybee,a lot is given away already at the site itself.
Concentrate on Cooper pairs and the way electrons travel and you may see a broader picture.
(sorry to spoil the fun Eric)
Cheers,:cool: |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
From:
http://www.bybeetech.com./
"Bybee Technologies has developed devices fabricated from ceramics doped with oxides of rare-earth metals such as zirconium and neodymium."
"In addition to being near-superconductive, Bybee Quantum Purifiers are electrically passive and stable in any circuit. They induce no phase shift whatsoever, and are totally non-reactive—meaning there is no reactance between capacitance and inductance.
These qualities are beneficial in numerous ways. When placed between an amplifier's power transformer and diode bridge, for example, the Quantum Purifier eliminates undesirable impedance mismatches. In an amplifier-to-speaker connection, the absence of reactance creates an optimal signal transfer and presents an easier load to the amplifier. When transmitting digital information, the Bybee Quantum Purifier eliminates the overshoot and ringing that can occur in the leading edge of the square wave. This type of distortion is a major contributor to the harshness and glare often associated with digital sound."
I don't understand how a theoretical physicist can make claims like this that fly in the face of even the most basic electrical engineering. Reactance is the inductive or capacitive portion of an impedance so the first statement is rather puzzling.
How does a nonreactive device eliminate impedance mismatch in one case (diodes transformer) and contribute to a changed load on the amplifier in other, all with no reactive impedance?!! I don't understand how a nonreactive circuit is going to counteract the effects of overshoot on a square wave. The claims about phonons would require a physicist in that area of research to discuss. I am not qualified to discuss those claims but passed on these claims to one of the most published researchers in the field and await a reply. There are plenty of papers on phonons on the web for the truly curious. I have never heard the products but am reminded of the furor over the Shakti Stones which I never did get to change the sound in any of the several systems I tried it on. At least Ben Piazza never claimed to be a physicist but the white paper makes some questionable claims. There may be things that the Bybee Quantum Purifiers do to the sound, I don't know. The inclusion of ferrite clamps on RFI could be an effect. I have used the versalabs RFI suppression products whose effect can be measured. I am very surprised at the fact no seems to have made any measurements on the Bybee that I can find other than series resistance. I wonder how one can be a theoretical physicist and leave no record of any published research on the web. I am open minded but have a hard time shelling out money for a product whose claims seem to be based on undocumented science of the type for which no verifiable measurements exist. These technical claims are as ridiculous to a second year engineering student as to a Ph.D. physicist.
Oh I forgot, neodymium is a rare earth metal but zirconium is a transition metal like gold or copper. You would think a physicist could get even this right.
http://www.chemicalelements.com/groups/rareearth.html |
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| Elso Kwak |
Hi Fred,
Seldom I have read more **** about a product than this one.
Special kind of electrons???:confused: :confused: HaHa.
Superconductivity at room temperature Hahahahahaha:D:D:D
Special voids??????:confused:
I love it, I adore it. I am fond of special voids.....:)
I had to do a lot of solid state chemistry for my study and it is a pity I never encountered these highly creative writings before...:bawling: |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elso Kwak
Seldom I have read more **** about a product than this one. |
Here's my favorite. It was on his web site originally but was removed when the previous bunch of nonsensical doubletalk was replaced with some other nonsensical doubletalk. I've saved this one for posterity. :)
<i>The Bybee Quantum Mechanical Filter that was developed from this research is a device that creates a barrier and literally sizes, cleans, aligns and stabilizes individual electrons and throws out the bad/irregular electrons. The heavy and well damped mass around the purification devices is to absorb these discarded electrons.</i>
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| mrfeedback |
| quote: | Originally posted by fdegrove
....Re:Bybee,a lot is given away already at the site itself.
Concentrate on Cooper pairs and the way electrons travel and you may see a broader picture.
(sorry to spoil the fun Eric)
Cheers,:cool: |
You are not spoiling my fun - indeed understanding the mechanisms is fun itself.
Eric.
PS - Listening to whingers is not. |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
Studies of acoustic wave propagation's of both phonons and ultrasonic regime| quote: | Originally posted by Elso Kwak
Hi Fred,
Seldom I have read more **** about a product than this one.
Special kind of electrons???:confused: :confused: HaHa.
Superconductivity at room temperature Hahahahahaha:D:D:D
Special voids??????:confused:
I love it, I adore it. I am fond of special voids.....:)
I had to do a lot of solid state chemistry for my study and it is a pity I never encountered these highly creative writings before...:bawling: |
If you going to make stuff up to sell a product, at least stick to physics that only a few people stand a chance to understand enough to dispute. When you flagrantly disregard even the most basic electrical engineering principles that a dummy like me can dispute, you're tap dancing on thin ice. A cynical person might suspect that these may be products based on existing technology that might not sound exotic enough for the hard-core audiophile, especially at $80 a pop. Base it on trendy modern physics research, and throw in a few terms that even a non technical person can grab from a few scientific papers and journals and you have a revolutionary product. Throw a few sentences about audio engineering that the partially technical literate person (i.e. audio reviewer) feels comfortable with, and you are all set. we should have a contest to create the most convincing techno babble product literature on the forum. I could do better much better than this with 30 minutes of effort. This is the electronics equivalent of homeopathy. You know the old saying though, "Never give a sucker an even break." How come in any industry but High End audio they call this fraud and have laws against it? |
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| SY |
Cooper pairs???
Sheesh, Frank, some of the fumes from Amsterdam must be blowing over Belgium. |
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| mrfeedback |
Phred,
I am sure you could write a witty product advertisement, but I think we need to keep in mind that although the Bybee text is somewhat non sensical, that fact alone does not deny the fact that listeners are hearing sonic effects in their systems when using them, and stating that they like the effect.
I am cautious, but I am curious about these things too, and I do fully believe that they do effect sonics.
I am interested to know the magnitude and nature of the changes, and the long term user view of them.
Badly written explanations do not worry me in the slightest, especially if the reasons are that an unqualified person wrote them, or for the purpose of concealing fine details for commercial reasons, and Jack Bybee is most certainly not the first do to do so.
Eric. |
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| Elso Kwak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Steve Eddy
Here's my favorite. It was on his web site originally but was removed when the previous bunch of nonsensical doubletalk was replaced with some other nonsensical doubletalk. I've saved this one for posterity. :)
<i>The Bybee Quantum Mechanical Filter that was developed from this research is a device that creates a barrier and literally sizes, cleans, aligns and stabilizes individual electrons and throws out the bad/irregular electrons. The heavy and well damped mass around the purification devices is to absorb these discarded electrons.</i>
se |
Hi Steve,
Yeah.. and I am using green electrons. What are these...? Well just generated by wind, biomassfermentation or something like that.
The author of the Bybee has taken a lot of interesting terms like:
Superconductivity (sounds intereresting!)
Special electrons,
special voids, (special is always good for sales....Any custumer wants something "special")
reactance,
overshoot,
ringing,
rare earth elements (this one works very well for the layman) [I have been a salesman! The combination of "rare" and "earth" does it I believe]
Neodymium,
Zirconium (both sounds interesting and mysterious) (Just two elements taken from the table of chemical elements.)
phonons (sounds like electrons/photons/ phono?)
Now take a blender or mixer and put all these ingredients in and make up a story vaguely related to current theory of electricity and conductivity.
The result brilliant!
A genius at work ... with words though:bigeyes:
The Shati Stone is even more nice.
For some interesting reading go here:
http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl?...lso&r=&session=
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| Fred Dieckmann |
Another scientific application for Zirconium.........
http://www.sacredgems.com/mall-healinggemstones.htm
"Cubic Zirconium has the same benefits as diamonds. They bring sun energy into the body. Wearing a CZ will energize you, especially if you wear it on your ring finger which is ruled by the sun. "
Is the use of the word "ring" close enough to fall under the ringing criteria too? I want these people to write my product information!
This is so much fun its tempting to post gratuitous pictures of pop stars and overweight cats. Somebody stop me! |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | phonons (sounds like electrons/photons/ phono?) |
Actually you're closer than you'd expect.
Just for the fun of it:
"Phonons are quantized lattice vibrations, that is, the quantized units of the collective motions of the atomic nuclei within Ionic lattices. Since they are collective excitations with no spin, they are bosons.
Obviously, the concept of the Phonon only makes sense for solid state lattices, where the average variation of the Atomic Nuclei from their equilibrium positions, does not exceed their average interatomic distance, and their average Kinetic Energy is low, otherwise one must eventually start to consider the concept of density waves, and many other dynamic collisional and scattering processes.
Phonons come in many different forms, such as longitudinal and transverse Phonons, acoustic and optical Phonons, and may be either coherent or incoherent, and either localized or itinerant (mobile). Localized Phonons are usually referred to as Einstein Phonons.
Since the Ionic Nuclei of Atomic Lattices with itinerant Electrons are charged, Phonons are capable of interacting with Electrons and other Electromagnetic Excitations, and thus, Phonons and their Interactions are very important in the field of High Temperature Superconductivity.
Sound, Music and other acoustic vibrations, could be considered as the superposition of many different low frequency itinerant Phonons.
Heat and other thermally induced vibrational excitations, could be considered as the superposition of many different high frequency localized Phonons. "
Cheers,;) |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by SY
Cooper pairs???
Sheesh, Frank, some of the fumes from Amsterdam must be blowing over Belgium. |
What's wrong with Cooper pairs?
They're the basis of the BCS theory of superconducitivy in Type I superconductors.
Nothing wrong with Cooper pairs per se.
What's wrong with Cooper pairs in the context of Bybee is that a) Cooper pairs only explain superconductivity in Type I superconductors, which are the pure metals. The theory doesn't quite seem to explain superconductivity in Type II superconductors which are the metal oxide ceramic types. And b) Cooper pairs don't form until you approach the superconductor's critical temperature which at present for the highest temperature superconductor available requires liquid nitrogen.
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| Elso Kwak |
Fred,
Sorry I don't wear rings.
I have been a lot in the sun today and it is beneficial I can claim....!:happy1:
Still feel sorry dropping my friends Shakti Stone...:o |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | And b) Cooper pairs don't form until you approach the superconductor's critical temperature which at present for the highest temperature superconductor available requires liquid nitrogen. |
Thanks Steve.
I remember now why I brought that up:
it was to bring to the attention the resemblance to the Cryogenic treatment .
Which was discussed around the same period here.
Cheers,;) |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
Look what happened to my cat after I put a Bybee Quantum Purifier on the AC cord for the can opener I use to open his cat food. Oh no I think I used that can opener to open some soup the other day!
And you thought I was bluffing. Notice the subject tie in to avoid the accusation of threadjacking. |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
| quote: | Originally posted by fdegrove
Hi,
Actually you're closer than you'd expect.
Just for the fun of it:
"Phonons are quantized lattice vibrations, that is, the quantized units of the collective motions of the atomic nuclei within Ionic lattices. Since they are collective excitations with no spin, they are bosons.
Obviously, the concept of the Phonon only makes sense for solid state lattices, where the average variation of the Atomic Nuclei from their equilibrium positions, does not exceed their average interatomic distance, and their average Kinetic Energy is low, otherwise one must eventually start to consider the concept of density waves, and many other dynamic collisional and scattering processes.
Phonons come in many different forms, such as longitudinal and transverse Phonons, acoustic and optical Phonons, and may be either coherent or incoherent, and either localized or itinerant (mobile). Localized Phonons are usually referred to as Einstein Phonons.
Since the Ionic Nuclei of Atomic Lattices with itinerant Electrons are charged, Phonons are capable of interacting with Electrons and other Electromagnetic Excitations, and thus, Phonons and their Interactions are very important in the field of High Temperature Superconductivity.
Sound, Music and other acoustic vibrations, could be considered as the superposition of many different low frequency itinerant Phonons.
Heat and other thermally induced vibrational excitations, could be considered as the superposition of many different high frequency localized Phonons. "
Cheers,;) |
And we have a winner for the techno babble product theory contest! As you said, Just for the fun of it. |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
For the curious:
Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment devised by Erwin Schrödinger that attempts to illustrate the incompleteness of the theory of quantum mechanics when going from subatomic to macroscopic systems.
Said cat is placed in a sealed box. Attached to the box is an apparatus containing a radioactive nucleus and a canister of poison gas. When the nucleus decays, it emits a particle that triggers the apparatus, which opens the canister and kills the cat. According to quantum mechanics, the nucleus is described as a superposition (mixture) of "decayed nucleus" and "undecayed nucleus". However, when the box is opened the experimenter sees only a "decayed nucleus/dead cat" or a "undecayed nucleus/living cat." The question is: when does the system stop existing as a mixture of states and become one or the other? The purpose of the experiment is to illustrate that quantum mechanics is incomplete without some rules to describe when the wave function collapses and the cat becomes dead or alive instead of a mixture of both.
Who said audio can't be fun?;) |
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| SY |
Steve, well, DUH! My point was, if he's got a way to generate Cooper pairs at room temperature, he shouldn't be selling hifi gizmos out of his garage, he should be picking up his million bucks from the Nobel comittee.
Frank, the cat is alive or dead the moment the detector (the trigger of the apparatus) picks up the decay. The wavefunction collapses at that moment. I don't have to watch electrons align in a magnetic field for them to do so. |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
| I can't even post a picture of giant cat without provoking a technical discourse. Forgive me for leaving the umlat off Schrödinger. I think I will take a break from posting till all the quantum physics dies down. You guys started early. April fools day is still two days away. |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by fdegrove
Thanks Steve.
I remember now why I brought that up:
it was to bring to the attention the resemblance to the Cryogenic treatment .
Which was discussed around the same period here. |
Well, the bottom line is, unless you're using the device WHILE it's at or below it's critical temperature, Cooper pairs are wholly irrelevant.
Bybee's devices are used at room temperature.
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by SY
Steve, well, DUH! My point was, if he's got a way to generate Cooper pairs at room temperature, he shouldn't be selling hifi gizmos out of his garage, he should be picking up his million bucks from the Nobel comittee. |
Absolutely. Sorry if I misread your intent.
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| Pjotr |
Hmmm…
Still curious about what Fred is planning to sell us poor audophiles in the near future. Let’s guess: A Quantified Cat-aliser to get rid of those room resonances?
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | Well, the bottom line is, unless you're using the device WHILE it's at or below it's critical temperature, Cooper pairs are wholly irrelevant. |
Sir Steve,
Wouldn't you think I know that?
FWIW, I am not defending Bybee product.
If I get the chance to measure (if there is anything to measure) and compare the presence or absence of the product on a given system at little or no expense than that's O.K. with me.
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| Fred Dieckmann |
How could I sell anything here when people fight me about the free advice I give, even when I supply links to references?
About four of those giant cats stuffed in the corners should be purrfect for breaking up room resonances. The results with triple blind mice listening test are catastrophic though.
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| haldor |
Fred you are really breaking me up.
The very subject about dead cats as acoustic treatment was recently discussed on the churchsoundcheck.com website. The thread was basically someone questioning the need to spend the money on an full press acoustic analysis (modeling the room in EASE and then designing the acoustic treatments accordingly) when some "dead cats" in the corners would do just as well.
As you can imagine the posters got going pretty well. Here is an example:
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I personally would like to see absorption coefficient data on a dead cat. If someone has access to a reverberation chamber I could probably
Dale Shirk
Shirk Audio & Acoustics
Terre Hill, Pa.
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At what stage do you thing you should measure the absorption coefficient?
Newly dead, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 1Year?
I believe it would vary!!!
I reckon I might try something with a more stable coefficient
And a lower odour coefficient too!
Not to mention I want to avoid the cat lover wars!!
But it is a fascinating image!!!
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | The very subject about dead cats as acoustic treatment |
I much rather prefer to use dead rabbits..their ears are so much longer...:devily:
Furrily yours,;) |
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| SY |
| My listening room is a bit overdamped. |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
| Who said anything about deceased felines. You people are always reading things into my post that were not intended. Cats that are stunned or pining for the fnords, will work just fine. |
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| mrfeedback |
Those cats need to go to summer fat camp.
Eric. |
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