| mrfeedback |
Why is it everytime we have a newbie to the forum, with much good and sensible experience to relate for the good of the community here, like Elwood P Dowd, they get banned.
Also when a member like Bill Fitzpatrick who is consistently being abrasive, has a post put to him showing up his rudeness, and the post is deleted ?.
Somethings don't add up here, and the relevant moderators are still unaccountable, and still do not post examples of errant behaviour.
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| AudioFreak |
| All the characters that got banned were HH sock puppets |
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| mrfeedback |
There are a million sockpuppets around here - but the HH ones are informative/experienced/funny - many others are not any of those.
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| fdegrove |
Eric,
Got the feeling you missed some news here.
Fred is Elwood,HH and so on.
Bernhard reregistrered him under his proper name (we all assume that) so Elwood had to die for transparency's sake.
Just to fill you in.
Regards,:) |
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| Peter Daniel |
| Actually 3054 as of now, less few numbers for the members who decided to go under their true names, like yours truly and Fred.;) |
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| Bill Fitzpatrick |
The posts that got deleted were those in which mrfeedback made a racial slur and was taken to task for it by myself. Rather than let it contine, a moderator had sense enough to get rid of it.
You want a post showing errant behaviour, mrfeedback? Here's one.
You're an idiot and it shows. You've got the worst web site I've ever seen for a business - the map is unreadable and the photos suck. Nothing about you speaks even remotely of quality. It's clear why you keep a roll of toilet paper handy.
No doubt this post, and perhaps this thread will get deleted and I may even wind up in the sin bin but it's about time someone got in your face. |
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| Peter Daniel |
Mr. Fitzpatrick,
By now everybody's got so used to your comments, that they rarely are taken seriously. |
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| roddyama |
by mrfeedback:| quote: | | Also when a member like Bill Fitzpatrick who is consistently being abrasive,... |
I think Bill has been pretty good lately. You have to admit Eric, he's gone from a course 00 grit:grumpy: to a silky smooth 100 grit (just a little abrasive).:D
Rodd Yamashita
P.S. Opps I took too long to post. Oh well back to the 00:eek: |
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| jh6you |
I am very carefully waddling through the *****.
I know what I feel when I find my foot on the *****.
Soon it could be too many ***** to waddle through.
There should be a real willing to remove the *****.
I mean the willing to remove them by ourselves.
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| Fred Dieckmann |
Actually one got rounded up that wasn't mine but might have been on loan from someone else at the time. And no don't even think about asking who.......
Actually Harry Haller was as bad is any of them. I think that the concept sock puppets is not that bad, but this got out of control and post of those tone under one name would be just as unexceptable and I will be the first to admitt that some were unacceptable. I am embarrased to read some of them now. The original alter ego in the group was created to harrass Harry Haller and another pompous poster as a fun diversion. It was not even my creation. I think that many of the puppet post were harmless fun but many others were petty and uncalled for. The ones in between seemed to cause the most trouble. People missed the humor of many of them. Some enjoyed seeing the air let out of a few over inflated ego way too much, while others saw the same post as destructive attacks against respected long time forum members. Some were so out there that I thought no one could be offended or take them seriously. Guy Grand throwing a fit and threatening to go to the moderators because some one was putting him on about "alligator clips" was so funny to me that I could hardly type. But a very serious apology was offered to Guy. But humor, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Innocent new users being met with "Hi Harry" post were hardly in any one's best interest. I do miss Guy Grand though, as it was carefully planned persona that was so different than my own personality. It was created such carefully planned Britishness that it was great fun. And yes I love the British. Basil Fawlty and Reginald Perrin are Gods!
I may give some explanations one day for some of the names and pictures choices as most were not arbitrary and had significance to me. That is if I don't get banned on the spot for even bringing this subject up.....
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| Peter Daniel |
| I have to admit that Guy Grand was my favourite character too.;) |
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| fdegrove |
Fred,
| quote: | | Guy Grand throwing a fit and threatening to go to the moderators because some one was putting him on about "alligator clips" was so funny to me that I could hardly type. But a very serious apology was offered to Guy. But humor, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. |
I had a good laugh with that one too.
It was brilliant!
Unfortunately for for me I got so concentrated on the topic..well you know the rest of that story.
Sorely miss some of the post we made on that day.
Transmissionline theory applied to MC cartridges,ah those were the days.:D
Cherio, |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
Ummmm... That decision was made for me against my wishes. This was complicated by that fact that someone created a false member entry under my real name and the member entry never got removed completely, despite my repeated request. This is the only time I have gotten furious about anything here and sent abuse reports to the ISP of said offender. This is very close to indentity theft or fraud and I really considered legal action exect for the fact that it was done from Europe. I know who it was but don't have the legal proof. Getting reinstated under my real name is stiil a sore point with me as it restriction that seems to be limited to me. It has served little point as the Harry Fred connection is pretty well known by everyone here. If it had been disscussed with me ahead of time, I would not have agreed to it. But a member name had already been established under my real name so what could I do? I was drafted folks.
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| Fred Dieckmann |
And allowing it to continue knowing this was in poor judgement on my part. I kept thinking it would unravel it any moment and I could apologize then.
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| fdegrove |
I know what you mean Fred.
You got countertrolled as some would put it?
Bygones.
See ya,;) |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
When he gets to wet sanding with 1500 we can all take a "Shine " to him.
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fred Dieckmann
Actually one got rounded up that wasn't mine but might have been on loan from someone else at the time. And no don't even think about asking who....... |
A poor unfortunate soul with a single post from Down Under. The moderator who acted in haste got a spanking...
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| dice45 |
Fred,
thanx for your statement. Thanx for setting the community straight. :)
The person you adress has a sockpuppet still active here, i cannot hep feeling. Just, no legal proof. :(
Bill,
you are a naughty boy and due to our rules i am forced to take action as otherwise peanuts will be counted. :sarge: So: 3 seconds sin bin. :grumpy: 1... 2... 3... over. :)
Next time, do not insult, simply observe sharply and tell the truth. Hits more. ;)
mrfeedback,
grit 40 from my side, it's called 00 for you i suppose.
You sustain to question moderator autorities without making the attempt to to use private email for having your unease settled. Your actions imply this is a mean police state. You are rashly eager to shout: Injustice! Your attitude, yor reality.
Oh, and you are 98% non-reponding if one of us moderators asks you to stay back from pouring oil into fires.
I have not crosschecked what Bill Fitzpatrick claimed, this is personal opinion. Quite an offensive one.
Anyway, i do not care. I intentionally act partial now; your attitude just asks for it and IMO you would not perceive it if i would act different.
High time for a set of lumps.You asked for it several times, you got it from Bill. Peter did not intercede and I do not feel any urge to intercede either.
Take a look at Ken L's actions and compare them to yours. He acts as moderator without being appointed to, he sticks out his neck. He does it in a way not making our job more difficult. Not interfering with our autority. Like i did before i was appointed, just he does it better.
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| mrfeedback |
To correct you Bill, I did not make any racial slur - that was by someone else.
I actually asked "why" in response to previous posts, and included this quote from YOU. .
"You need to get a grip pal and perhaps even a life. An education wouldn't hurt either."
Also I have not met you on any other forum, so indeed it must be you who has such a run in with someone (many ?).
You're an idiot and it shows. You've got the worst web site I've ever seen for a business - the map is unreadable and the photos suck. Nothing about you speaks even remotely of quality. It's clear why you keep a roll of toilet paper handy.
Bill, I am in the business of repairing real world equipment and my website in its current form gets the message across to local people who go searching for real world repairers about where I am I located, and how I can be contacted.
If you follow the "map" link you get a readable enough picture to get the needy to my door.
And when I get a digital camera, I will take some better pixs - I had a brief borrow of one in early days, so they had to do.
Sure I'll get around to making it more fancy sometime, but for now it gets me all the business that I can handle.
Speaking of quality, I went through my database records last week and pulled these figures out of around 1000 repairs over the last year.
Total returns - 23
Short term returns total - 11
Short term genuine returns - 7
heads resoiled by dirty tape - 3
dry joint that I missed - 2
additional to reported fault that I missed - 2
Short term faulty customer returns - 4
Mis-operation by customer - 2
Mis-reinstallation by customer - 2
Long term (>4 weeks) returns total - 12
dry joint that I missed - 2
faulty new capacitor - 1 (recently, dried after 4 months)
noisey contacts/pots - 7 (I used Cramolin Conta-clean briefly and now will not use it ever again)
line output transformer failure - 1 (aging, after 4 months)
Yoke failure - 1 (aging, after 7 months)
All items get an internal and external compressed air clean, and an exterior clean with a cloth and ammonia soloution and go back looking and performing like new.
A workshop return rate of less than 2% is considered as pretty bloody good, and I defy most repairs technicians to do any better.
I use a fair amount of tissue for cleaning operations, and I use recycled toilet paper for this purpose as I figure that it is about the most environmentally friendly soloution available, and economical to boot.
Peter, yes much like the boy who kept crying 'wolf' - after a while the elders of the village ignored the attention seeking little boy who thought he was being funny.
Rodd, yes a bit better lately, but not good enough.
Moderators, this is another unforgivable outburst from BF, and additional to the all too commonly negative or confrontational posts by him.
In my opinion, and compared to any of the HH stuff, this behaviour goes well past all limits, and I second that he be BANNED, and no further aliases allowed, and right now would not be soon enough - attitude problems are not welcome here.
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| CryingDragon |
Accualy i'd like to see Mr.feedback's website,I mean come on so his site might not look like national's (not degrading Mr. just making examples) so what? have you ever bought what he is selling? I say if the product quality is good what does the site matter,Frankly it wouldn't to me if he sold me a good item.
Frankly I think all this fighting is childish (no insults ment here) and i think if we all tried instead of getting angry and fighting just because we don't agree with someone elses veiws on HH or in any sense we could end most of it. Personally i enjoy this site very much and think any fighting between productive members would only give it a black eye. And as far as mod's doing unjust banning on parties whom may not have been involved or "sock puppets" as it were,It is really not that big of a deal,If it happend to me accedently i would be quite content with an apology from the mod who did it and to not have my name on the sin bin list. I know computer's and todays tech can be confusing and since 2 computers at diffrent times can be assigned the same IP it happens. Just my 2 cents. |
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| Peter Daniel |
| quote: | Originally posted by mrfeedback
In my opinion, and compared to any of the HH stuff, this behaviour goes well past all limits, and I second that he be BANNED, and no further aliases allowed, and right now would not be soon enough - attitude problems are not welcome here.
Eric. |
With due respect Eric, looking from a side (through my moderated eyes) your comments create about as much attitude problems as Bill's. While his behaviour, although hardly tolerated by everybody, is to a certain degree caused by lack of emotional balance and probably required for his well being, your posts, OTOH, are calculated actions directed at causing confusion and anarchy. Although I still believe in anarchy;) , as a moderator complying with your request for banning Bill, I would have to ban you as well. This is my job, so don't take it personally.;)
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| now see i see nothing wrong with that site,he makes enough money to have a store front and i've seen alot worse websites,come down to it if his shop was down the street and i blew up my radio i'd take it to him. |
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| Peter Daniel |
| Hey, he might even fix your computer, unless you choose blue fonts on purpose.;) Each time I try to read it thou, my eyes hurt.:eek: |
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| CryingDragon |
| Is it really that bad? how about this? (the black color :D ) |
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| Peter Daniel |
| This is way better.:cool: |
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| Ken L |
To Peter
I'm glad you said calculated.
I had been feeling sorry for the guy, him being so repeatedly obnoxious and apparently oblivous to it.
To Dice -
Thanks for the kind comments ;) - I do know what you're up to on this:D my apologies for not responding to your e-mail -I do intend to respond. |
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| CryingDragon |
| cool :angel: a side not tho he need not fix my computer i've been fixing and building them for about 6 years myself now ;) |
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| jh6you |
Some unacceptably nasty diyAudio members scatter
the meaningless ***** out in the street and behind a wall
watch who puts his foot on the ***** traps. And giggle
behind. Hell of jokes!
Chaos.
Where is the green diyAudio? |
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| CryingDragon |
| Ummm.....say what? |
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| BrianGT |
| quote: | Originally posted by jh6you
Some unacceptably nasty diyAudio members scatter
the meaningless ***** out in the street and behind a wall
watch who puts his foot on the ***** traps. And giggle
behind. Hell of jokes!
Chaos.
Where is the green diyAudio? |
Where did that come from? The confusion sets in...
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| Peter Daniel |
After gromaswe I don't think anything can be much confusing.:spin:
Although the message could be sent in a better way, I have to admit. |
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| Steve Eddy |
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Well hell, that leaves nothing to the imagination. C'mon, Fred. You need to maintain at least SOME aura of mystery and intrugue. How 'bout recycling Orson? I really liked Orson.
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| jh6you |
Sorry I went too much.
On the other hand, I do not know who is Harry Haller.
I just got minor part of him through this diyAudio forum.
He seems to have his own temper. He does not seem to
like nasty questions, diehard opinions, misleading information,
schoolteacher-like talks, Spam mails, etc. I saw he was trying
to kill off such things. (I am not talking about the manner.)
But, he was doing it alone. As a return, he received all attacks.
It made him upset, and he started to demonstrate “What do you
think?” with many copies of all such nasty things here and there.
Finally, he was banned.
He was right in many parts and I agree with him.
I would however like to say that he did not think about
many innocent diyAudio members carefully.
Now, he might have come back as himself, but still few of us talk
about him, and even try to find a string of funs on him. It is cruel.
It was enough. Let’s stop any playing on him. Please…
I wonder if my view is right or wrong about HH.
If HH is reading this and see I am wrong, just pass it away. Thanks. |
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| Fred Dieckmann |
Brian:
You kids!
Actually the way it is done is with a paper bag containing the "suprise"and soaked in gasoline. Light on fire, place on door step, ring doorbell, and run like hell while looking over your shoulder at the person stomping out the flaming gift. As Martha Stewart's EVIL TWIN would say ".... adds a festive and traditonal touch to the Halloween holiday season!"
Steve:
Mystery?
Like what that perfect lotus blossem is doing next to that decaying old pine tree.:yinyang:
jh6you:
HH ?
No, Ma, not that. That ain't it. Just, as long as I'm an outlaw anyways, maybe I can do something, just find out somethin', just scrounge around and maybe find out what it is that's wrong and see if they ain't somethin' that can be done about it. I ain't thought it out that clear, Ma. I can't. I don't know enough.
Then it don't matter. I'll be all around in the dark. I'll be everywhere, wherever you can look. Wherever there's a fight so hungry people can eat, I'll be there. Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy, I'll be there. I'll be in the way guys yell when they're mad. I'll be in the way kids laugh when they're hungry and they know supper's ready and where people are eatin' the stuff they raise and livin' in the houses they build.* I'll be there, too.
Good night,
Tom Joad
And listening to stereos they built with thier own ears and hands! |
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| roddyama |
:D
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| jh6you |
O...
Now I understand Rodd's three stars. (Never offensive. Just a joke). |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fred Dieckmann
Steve:
Mystery?
Like what that perfect lotus blossem is doing next to that decaying old pine tree.:yinyang: |
Something like that. Guess that'll have to do. Thanks for the effort. :)
| quote: | Good night,
Tom Joad |
G'night. I'll sleep better knowing that you'll be there. :)
| quote: | | And listening to stereos they built with thier own ears and hands! |
And lemme tell ya, it really takes some talent to sling a soldering iron with your ears. :)
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| bob4 |
That's the spirit!!!!!
:D
Once again I feel I'm in the right place............
Fred, you got my full sympathy and consent
good night, all
bob
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| mrfeedback |
Dave - Thankyou very much indeed for going to the trouble of re-designing my website. major Kudos indeed.
Hell with the extra business, I might have to get an employee technician.
Problem is getting one who can get it right 98% of the time, first time, every time.
Bernard - My first post in this thread was to make PUBLIC my complaint about the now several unasked for, unappreciated and straightout personal attacks by Mr BF.
I have always been polite to him, and only kept to the subject at hand, and for some reason within the psyche of Mr BF, he finds it neccessary to launch vigorous and scathing personal attacks.
This is what I mean about 'attitude problems'.
In the thread concerning the word 'Jap', BF posted tongue-in-cheek saying please do not use the word 'Jap' to the poster who uttered the term (this was NOT me), I simply asked "Why ?" and BF responded in a greenie tree hugging manner about political incorrectness.
Somehow I left out the line "Is the leopard changing spots - good to see" and then posted a confrontational quote from BF's mouth that he had much earlier directed at me, in order to flesh out some kind of apology from him.
Just as an elephant never forgets, so a leopard does not change its spots it would seem.
Before I could go back and edit my omission the posts were deleted.
So I did not worry about the matter, until I came across further derrogatory and impolite posts from him.
This inspired me voice my public complaint at the beginning of this thread.
I have made reference to the unaccountability and lack of references to errant behaviour in the 'Sin Bin', but it seemed to fall on deaf ears so I said it again.
A reason for this was that I have always found Frank Degrove to be a peaceable and polite contributor and was banned, and no actual reasons or examples were given.
Without reference to the offending post, I felt this to be highly unjust based on my experience of him.
Just so that you know, this was the subject of some background private emailing between certain members here.
So I propose that if you are to ban or sin bin anyone, in the interests of justice and correctness (and not on moderators personal whims or prejudice at the time) a quote from the post and a link to the thread must be given.
So,"You sustain to question moderator autorities without making the attempt to to use private email for having your unease settled. Your actions imply this is a mean police state. You are rashly eager to shout: Injustice! Your attitude, yor reality.
Oh, and you are 98% non-reponding if one of us moderators asks you to stay back from pouring oil into fires."
Police state - well yes if the courts do not allow the public or the media into the gallery.
Injustice - if there is no accountability, injustice is welcomed to flourish - democracy and public forum are controlling forces.
98% - I must have missed 98 of those emails. ;)
Bernard please well understand that I am not moderator bashing in the slightest, but I do feel the process needs the above suggestions for the above reasons.
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| mrfeedback |
Peter, thankyou for your words of respect.
Yes my actions are calculated and for I believe the right reasons - method could be open to debate sure.
I feel you are reading me from the wrong side for it is confusion and anarchy that I seek to lessen. |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mrfeedback
[B]Dave - Thankyou very much indeed for going to the trouble of re-designing my website. major Kudos indeed. |
:blush:
An for those who would like to see the prototype. Not quite done. I wanted Eric's approval before i did the hard part -- cleaning up the map.
Just another installment of beautifying the web ... and who knows, one of these times i might get some work out of it.
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| fdegrove |
Guys,
Very nice indeed.
Even saw our great Dane in action at the bench.:D
Cheers,;) |
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| fdegrove |
Eric,
Thank you for the kind words of defense.
I'm sure that if you asked Dice45 via private mail he'll be happy to clarify the matter with you.
You can expect the same from me.
I understand your concern about the matter and can only say that since then things have only improved on the forum.
The whole forum is a dynamic environment and so far it's steering towards more openness and transparency.
I'm very happy with that.
Thanks again,
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| Peter Daniel |
| quote: | Originally posted by mrfeedback
I feel you are reading me from the wrong side for it is confusion and anarchy that I seek to lessen. |
I'm glad no hard feelings between us. I don't know if it is a wrong side, but for sure, it's the other side.;) |
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| remp |
Re Mrfeedback's work bench
The toilet roll holder under the bench looks completely inappropriate. Specially for a web site.
It may be practical.
It may be useful but maybe you could find a more discrete location.
In NZ you can get big rolls of handy paper towels about a dollar a roll. Comes in pink or white. They have them in recycled paper. Woolworths.
Just a helpful suggestion. |
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| Peter Daniel |
| Maybe Dave could somehow erase the infamous toilet paper roll from a picture and everybody would be happy?;) To tell the truth I also like to keep a roll of toilet paper handy in my workshop. It's something about the smoothness and endless supply.;) |
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| Bill Fitzpatrick |
Well, isn't that just the cutest little thing I've ever seen!
Someone rewrote mrfeedback's web page for him. If it wasn't certain before, this practically guarantees that feedback will never be able to write a decent web page. Having seen the prototype, I predict that it will now be a .2 star site rather than a .1 star site. Only 3.98 more to go. Now feedback can go chug another hogshead without having to attend to those pesky little details that point to a job well done. Don't get me wrong here - mrfeedback may be a great repairman but that in itself
do not necessarily qualify him to act as a guru in other areas, which, sadly, he is inclined to do.
I disagree with remp. The toilet paper roll is most appropriate. He should use it as his logo. Now I just read a post about erasing the toilet paper. Good idea. Replace it with a well used corn cob - it would make a better logo anyway.
As far a my 00 abrasiveness rating, thank you, and I would appreciate if someone could see their way clear to upgrade me to a rasp. Hey, if it weren't for abrasive critics like myself, much less would get done correctly and the world would be in more of a mess than it already is. Rather than suggesting that I have a need to put down others to help correct my own psychological deficiencies, it should be realized that I do it to help correct other's deficiencies. Of course, many will say, who am I to judge whether one is, or is not, deficient? Many others will say, "can't you do it nicely?" To the "do it nicely" crowd, I say, "No." If one smothers a point in tact, the point gets pretty much lost. Tact, in many situations, is right next door to a lie. I've always wished that I had one of those imps on my shoulder that relentlesly nagged me when I did less than my best and, more importantly, when my best was not very good, to nag me to get better. As it was, I've had to rely on my own sense of what constitutes good output. While I yearned for critisizm throughout my life, I found very few with enough balls to supply it.
I've seen people post photos of their projects. Many of them are god-awful in terms of craftsmanship and aesthetics. Yet they receive praise. How the hell is a person to do a better job next time if they are led to believe they have already done a great job? One of my favorite watering holes engaged a fill in band - worst band I've ever heard. Everyone applauded after the performance. I'm sure they left with the idea that they were teriffic. They probably never got any better.
To me, it's all about quality - do well or do something else. Anyone ever read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintainance?" Of course, if it's just oneself and the thing that one is doing, one can get away with anything and may never have to pay a price - self delusion is a wonderful thing. However, once it is made public, the gloves are off.
Everyone here has gone public. So have I. Critisize me all you want. I welcome it - I wish for any outside motivation that will lead to further self examination and improvement. In the meantime, I intend on getting in anyone's face who, IMLTHO, deserves it. |
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| Peter Daniel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bill Fitzpatrick
I disagree with remp. The toilet paper roll is most appropriate. He should use it as his logo. Now I just read a post about erasing the toilet paper. Good idea. Replace it with a well used corn cob - it would make a better logo anyway. |
I got some good laughs reading it.:)
| quote: | Originally posted by Bill Fitzpatrick
I've seen people post photos of their projects. Many of them are god-awful in terms of craftsmanship and aesthetics. Yet they receive praise. How the hell is a person to do a better job next time if they are led to believe they have already done a great job? |
I've seen too, but when they awfull, I just refrein from comments. I'd rather not discourage someone making an effort in good faith, than see him making improvement on a next try. |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bill Fitzpatrick
I predict that it will now be a .2 star site rather than a .1 star site. Only 3.98 more to go. |
Bill,
Come now Bill. It is simple, it gets all the important info across (the map will get better) without clutter, and it is fast loading (because it is small).
If i was to do a critique of your website, it would not score as high.
And as to Eric having to do his own website, why? We all make a living by doing something better than someone else, they buy our products and services, and someone buys theirs. If everyone tried to do everything themselves we'd still all be cavemen sitting around the fire, and even then there was distribution of tasks.
I also disagree that encoragement to do better has to be abrasive. Abrasion is actually most often very counter-effective -- take this thread for instance, all the wasted energy bashing heads.
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| Fred Dieckmann |
An inquiry into values.
Quote:
When he brought his motorcycle over I got my wrenches out but then noticed that no amount of tightening would stop the slippage, because the ends of the collars were pinched shut.
``You're going to have to shim those out,'' I said.
``What's shim?''
``It's a thin, flat strip of metal. You just slip it around the handlebar under the collar there and it will open up the collar to where you can tighten it again. You use shims like that to make adjustments in all kinds of machines.''
``Oh,'' he said. He was getting interested. ``Good. Where do you buy them?''
``I've got some right here,'' I said gleefully, holding up a can of beer in my hand.
He didn't understand for a moment. Then he said, ``What, the can?''
``Sure,'' I said, ``best shim stock in the world.''
I thought this was pretty clever myself. Save him a trip to God knows where to get shim stock. Save him time. Save him money.
But to my surprise he didn't see the cleverness of this at all. In fact he got noticeably haughty about the whole thing. Pretty soon he was dodging and filling with all kinds of excuses and, before I realized what his real attitude was, we had decided not to fix the handlebars after all.
As far as I know those handlebars are still loose. And I believe now that he was actually offended at the time. I had had the nerve to propose repair of his new eighteen-hundred dollar BMW, the pride of a half-century of German mechanical finesse, with a piece of old beer can!
Ach, du lieber!
Since then we have had very few conversations about motorcycle maintenance. None, now that I think of it.
You push it any further and suddenly you are angry, without knowing why.
I should say, to explain this, that beer-can aluminum is soft and sticky, as metals go. Perfect for the application. Aluminum doesn't oxidize in wet weather...or, more precisely, it always has a thin layer of oxide that prevents any further oxidation. Also perfect.
In other words, any true German mechanic, with a half-century of mechanical finesse behind him, would have concluded that this particular solution to this particular technical problem was perfect.
For a while I thought what I should have done was sneak over to the workbench, cut a shim from the beer can, remove the printing and then come back and tell him we were in luck, it was the last one I had, specially imported from Germany. That would have done it. A special shim from the private stock of Baron Alfred Krupp, who had to sell it at a great sacrifice. Then he would have gone gaga over it.
Unguote:
Ring a bell for anyone, in the context of DIY projects?
In other words.... I dream of a forum where an amplifier is not judged by the color of it's faceplate but by the character of it's contents.
Good night,
Phaedrus
P.S.
And what is good, Phædrus,
And what is not good...
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Fred Dieckmann
And what is good, Phædrus,
And what is not good...
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? |
Hahaha! Good ol' Phædrus. I LOVE the shim story.
I like to simply distill it all down to just this:
Quality is what you like.
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| roddyama |
Fred,
I'll bet if you were to take that mouse pad and put it on a nice flat cookie pan, and put it in the oven for a few minutes at about 150 degrees (that's Fahrenheit since you live in Texas and 65.55 degrees centigrade to the metric world, and don’t forget to turn the oven off when your done, and be sure to use an oven mit when you take them out. Oh yeah, let it cool off before you use it)… eh where was I?
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| Fred Dieckmann |
I am afraid to ask after that one! Thanks, I think...... You know is funny is that I used to do someting simular and I believe Sonoran
"the cactus cables" used to do some thing similar with thier cables.
On the level,
Fred
P.S. You know why mice have such small balls? Not very many show up to the dance. Man that is not even funny at 3:30 AM....
I am truly sorry guys! I would like to apologize to all mice reading this. |
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| bob4 |
Bill,
| quote: | Originally posted by Bill Fitzpatrick
Hey, if it weren't for abrasive critics like myself, much less would get done correctly and the world would be in more of a mess than it already is. Rather than suggesting that I have a need to put down others to help correct my own psychological deficiencies, it should be realized that I do it to help correct other's deficiencies. |
Having read your last post, I HAD to reply. It's good to hear (or read ;) ) that you are at least aware of the fact that some of your posts come across quite harsh, sometimes even impolite. I'm glad to read your explanation and know, that these posts aren't made by malicious intent.
But regardless the intention you wrote them with, they sometimes still ARE impolite.
| quote: | Originally posted by Bill Fitzpatrick
I've always wished that I had one of those imps on my shoulder that relentlesly nagged me when I did less than my best and, more importantly, when my best was not very good, to nag me to get better. As it was, I've had to rely on my own sense of what constitutes good output. |
In some respect I share your opinion, I think that people can and should in some way be pushed more, because that's the only true way to improve oneself (in most cases). If you've decided to be honest to yourself and give yourself harder pushes, why not?
But concerning this forum, I think it is rather destructive than useful to adapt that principle.
| quote: | Originally posted by Bill Fitzpatrick
Of course, many will say, who am I to judge whether one is, or is not, deficient? Many others will say, "can't you do it nicely?" To the "do it nicely" crowd, I say, "No." If one smothers a point in tact, the point gets pretty much lost. Tact, in many situations, is right next door to a lie. |
I think there are a lot of "do it nicely"- people posting on this forum, who do a great job, and don't necessarily "smother points". Take Fred for example, he has a great gift in critizising people in a humorous, polite, but nevertheless clear way.
The trouble with your approach is, that communication between human beings tends to go wrong in most cases, especially when one doesn't know each other......... Polite critizism doesn't mean you have to lie, you CAN be honest without insulting someone or make him feel bad. The more polite you are, the more you can critsize someone without upsetting and hence making less open for suggested improvements.
| quote: | Originally posted by Bill Fitzpatrick
While I yearned for critisizm throughout my life, I found very few with enough balls to supply it. |
If you critisize someone the kind way, they don't need balls, because there's nothing they have to supply. Instead, they will be much more open for suggestions how to do the job better next time or correct their faults.
| quote: | Originally posted by Bill Fitzpatrick
I've seen people post photos of their projects. Many of them are god-awful in terms of craftsmanship and aesthetics. Yet they receive praise. How the hell is a person to do a better job next time if they are led to believe they have already done a great job? One of my favorite watering holes engaged a fill in band - worst band I've ever heard. Everyone applauded after the performance. I'm sure they left with the idea that they were teriffic. They probably never got any better. |
Again, I agree with you, BUT: I don't think your approach is any better than praising "awful" projects. They both give an exagerrated view: lying to someone in the way you describe isn't constructive, as you pointed out, but telling someone how worthless his efforts were, is VERY discouraging and isn't any more constructive than lying to someone.
| quote: | Originally posted by Bill Fitzpatrick
Everyone here has gone public. So have I. Critisize me all you want. I welcome it - I wish for any outside motivation that will lead to further self examination and improvement.
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You got what you asked for.........
| quote: | Originally posted by Bill Fitzpatrick
In the meantime, I intend on getting in anyone's face who, IMLTHO, deserves it. |
go for it, if you feel like, but please do it the nice, construcive, polite etc. way :hbeat:
No personal dislike towards you, but I had to tell ya. :)
cheers,
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| remp |
When I was a lot younger I went to King Edward Technical College in Dunedin. One subject I loved was metalwork. In the 3rd year we had a tutor Mr PITA. We hated him.
Hold that damn scriber correctly, hasn't anyone told you how to even hold a scriber.
No sir you are our first metalwork teacher.
Well you should have learned by now.
mutter mutter
You boys talking.
No sir.
Go and get some steel bar and cut off two half inch lengths
How sir
With a hacksaw you stupid boy
Never used a hacksaw Sir
Well you should have learned by now.
This went on all year and I nearly gave up on my favourite subject.
Next year we had a different tutor.
Hello boys my name is Mr NOPITA
Anything you boys are not sure of just ask, be glad to help.
Thank you sir.
Good now you boys all know the best way to look after good tools is to keep them clean and stored properly on a tool rack.
Why not just throw them in a box Sir.
Because the tools can rub against each other and dull the edges and its hard to find what you want in box of tools so lets make a tool rack.
This went on all year and I learned a lot from Mr NOPITA. And I did quite well in the end of year exam.
Next year we had Mr NOPITA again
This year boys we learn about lathes, milling machines and welding
Fairly advanced.
Letting boys loose on a lathe could have been a disaster but Mr NOPITA had taken the trouble to build a metal lathe just for us boys and it turned wood not steel. He showed us how to use it. We turned bowls and turned down wooden dowels and practised cutting off. We learned about collets and turning between centres. Over in the corner was a Myford English metal lathe. After 3 months on the wood we moved over to the Myford and used steel. It was easy. We fitted short rods in the 3 jaw chuck and turned them down. We put centres in rods and turned them between centres.
All under the watchful eye of Mr NOPITA.
Most of us got up to a good standard.
He never criticised us. He never called us fools and idiots. We made heaps of mistakes. He took the time and showed us how to learn from our mistakes.
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:att'n: BAD PUN ALERT:spin:
It sounds like Mr. PITA showed NO PITY:no: and Mr. NOPITA showed PITY on you all:yes:
I pity the fool,
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| mrfeedback |
First off, After some editing my new website is up (mostly).
This is some of comms between Dave and I -
......Consider it part of my beautifing the web campaign....I needed a bit of recreation so i did a hack at your site.
Organized it a bit better, fixed the spellers, simplified it.....
<http://homepage.mac.com/planet10/mrfeedback/>
Should shut BF up.
"....THANKS.....The truth is the pages I set up were done in about 2 hours including searching for and downloading a few web page editors and an ftp upload transfer program, learning how to use them, and creating what I posted, and with the intention of getting back to it sometime to clean it up......".
And more of Dave's philanthropy.
So Dave, thankyou for your generous and stirling efforts.
Having read and now understood your code, you have now increased my knowledge of web page authoring by about a million percent, and thanks for that too.
Remp, sure I agree. Actually it is in a different place - that is an old photo.
Peter, it sounds like our workshops are in good company then.
Bill, the 0.2 star rating is actually attacking Daves coding work.
For your information there are a whole bunch of mistakes on your website if you care to take a close and thorough look - it does not look all that professional or finished really when you come up against these errors.
"....To me, it's all about quality - do well or do something else...." - Yup you said it Bill, and on this I agree unreservedly.
"....Critisize me all you want....."
Ok, stop making sarcastic and *****y personal attacks - it is not a good look in a man, and nobody else here resorts to doing so.
Instead of making naysaying posts, give some concrete and usefull advice or experience, or leave it alone.
If you are able to give advice, do so in an encouraging and constructive way, for there are many novices present.
Heed the thoughts of Dave, Peter, Fred and Bob.
Bill, this is all given in the best spirit for the benefit of the forum - what mode you choose outside this community is for you to decide.
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| Ken L |
To Bill Fitzpatrick
I think it applies to your behavior-
You behave so critical and negative that no one really takes you seriously - just always something negative going to come from you next.
You have asked for constuctive criticsm.
Well, it is incredible that someone actually wears their negativety as if it were a badge of honor - And don't fool yourself that you are doing the world a service - you're not.
All you're doing is spreading one of the most miserable philosophies of life I have ever seen.
To both Mr Feedback and Bill Fitzpatrick.
You both obviously have a very strong conflict with each other.
I suggest that you each stay away from each other and refrain from posting to each other or about each other in addition to not making statements about each other, definitely refrain from the snide remarks.
Regardless of what _great benefit_ either of you think you may be able to bring to this place by interacting with each other, that will certainly be flogging a dead horse.
Perhaps there will be hope for one or both of you if you stay away from each other. However, I doubt very much that is hope for either of you if you keep it up, hammering at each other.
Quite sincerely
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Ken, the whole point here is that BF decided a good long while ago that he is entitled to make personal attacks on me, and without reason.
I have never been impolite to him, nor sarcastic or snide - I have instead been frank and sincere.
So, Bill how about a sincere apology for your attacks on me, and then the matter is finished.
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Personally gentlemen, I ignore people who insist on making asses of themselves. If no one response, it's not fun any more.
Later
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| capslock |
Fred, Harry, whatever you like to be called:
Was shocked to see you banned, glad to have you back in the person of Fred. Was sometimes annoyed by the waste of bandwidth but otherwise enjoyed technical or humorous content or simply ignored some posts. Didn't see any of your alter ego posts except for those by Ren. Sorry to have missed some fun!
There was something my math teacher used to say, back in high school. When we were debating on how to bend the rules on something non-mathematical, he thought he had succeeded in teching us to always look for exceptions and loopholes...
Moderators (I am using this thread as the other one on ban or not was permantently closed):
A society (and this is what this forum has evolved into!) can't live without rules and some enforcement. But I am also troubled by the oligarchic (I do hope this word exists in English) approach taken. Also, looking at the sin bin, I am a little amazed by the prudist approach taken here (temporary bans for offensive language and for posting where to get porn).
Being at home in a few languages and cultures, I am always amazed at the objection that English speaking countries have to seeing "four letter words" (another euphemism) being used in speech, writing, films while at the same time there is such excessive use. In French, German, Italian cultural envonments, they are probably used less frequently, but if they are, people are less likely to see this as a problem...
Eric, DIY cultural anthropologist, stubborn liberal :-)
P.S.: While liberal almost became a four letter word in the U.S. in the early days of the Clinton administration, it has started becoming a synonym for conservative here in Germany. There are two kinds of liberals... If anybody is interested, I'll try to work out the history....
P.P.S.: Whatever happened to Gromanswe? He probably was one of the triggers for installing the moderator thing. I guess no corrective action was taken, he simply left once most members had deciced it was wisest to simply ignore him. Now, what does this tell us....? |
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