| rick57 |
For about 30 years, my debut albym candle was lit by the regning Gods – Led Zeppelin.
Now I can’t play the (belatedly discoveered) White Stripes debut for more than 5 secs :redhot: afore the air guitar comes out spontanesously. Man, it doesn’t get much better than this.
:devilr:
Finally I find an album that outrocks what my teenage sons are playing, like 24/7. :headshot:
BTW Have you seen the WS website www.whitestripes.com/? :cool:
As many logos (nine) as Zozo Zeppelin, Dread Zeppelin and Prince put together! :whazzat:
Is there really a new king of the Alltime Hard-Garage-Blues-Rock Heaven?
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| rick57 |
Note:
This thread is not restricted to rockerz.
What's the best female debut? |
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| pinkmouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by rick57
What's the best female debut? |
Bjork? ;) |
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| lgreen |
Rage Against the Machine's debut makes the WS look like the pu**'s they are.
If you are a rocker did you forget about the bestest debut's ever...
Van Halen's debut is the best that I can think of.
Guns & Roses is 2nd best.
rock on baby! |
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| rick57 |
Rage Against the Machine?
Like LZ & WS, I’m into dark & light. RATM are pretty constant dark & hard, IMHO
the best female debut?
My SOH reminded me: Patti Smith |
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| rick57 |
When the supposedly hip Rolling Stone magazine reviewed Led Zeppelin’s first album, they basically said “to enjoy this extreme music, you need to be on drugs.”
Most other rock mags were bowled over, but RS was just a little behind the 8 ball (er like majorly). Throughout the history of LZ, they loved to take a dig at them. Guess they got that lil band all wroong. Oops guys, wha happened? :(
Anyhow, where are the Other Contenders? |
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| mercator |
My picks: Dire Straits and The Doors
But when it comes to Led Zep, I agree the first album was the best.
/Dave |
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| joensd |
| quote: | | Now I can’t play the (belatedly discoveered) White Stripes debut for more than 5 secs afore the air guitar comes out spontanesously. Man, it doesn’t get much better than this. |
Exactly how I felt about Jet´s "get born" when it came out.
Good ole rock´n roll... |
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| rick57 |
Franz Ferdinand by Franz Ferdinand (2004)
Pitchfork:
"Like all lasting records, Franz Ferdinand steps up to the plate and boldly bangs on the door to stardom. There's no consideration for what trends have just come and gone.
There's no waffling or concessions for people who won't get it. " |
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| DDDD |
| quote: | Originally posted by pinkmouse
Bjork? ;) |
I completely agree. However if you really want to talk about Björk you should list the Sugarcubes' Life's Too Good album as one of the best too.
Also - Tricky's "Maxinquaye" and Portishead's "Dummy" are up there with Debut.
As far as electronic music goes, for me it's a tie between Aphex Twin's "Selected Ambient Works 85-92" and Autechre's "Incunabula."
However on the question of the VERY BEST, I'd say there's way too much to choose from for only one to be the best. :) |
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| DDDD |
| Oh, and I almost forgot, Emperor's "In The Nightside Eclipse" is the best debut metal CD of all time. |
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| rick57 |
Marquee Moon (1977) by Television
"a revolutionary album, but a subtle, understated revolution . .
Marquee Moon is comprised entirely of tense garage rockers that spiral into heady intellectual territory, which is achieved through the group's long, interweaving instrumental sections
From the nervy opener, "See No Evil," to the majestic title track, there is simply not a bad song on the entire record. And what has kept Marquee Moon fresh over the years is how Television flesh out Verlaine's poetry into sweeping sonic epics."
www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:ek5gtq0ztu48 |
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| rick57 |
In the Court of the Crimson King - King Crimson 1969
The King would never be this stunning again. |
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| Peter Daniel |
What about another Nevermind? I never particularly liked it, but it seems like it was quite popular ;)
And I think Marquee Moon was a great album. |
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| maxro |
How about:
Here Come the Warm Jets - Eno
Felt Mountain - Goldfrapp
(untitled) - Peter Gabriel
Scott - Scott Walker
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| SY |
| "Introducing Roland Kirk" featuring Ira Sullivan. |
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| rick57 |
(untitled) - Peter Gabriel
Almost re-defines eclectic; bound together by subtle English quasi-theatrical quasi-hippie humour. Solsbury Hill forever!
But the sound quality? Sounds like the gear had a layer of mud on it.
Hopefully a remaster might clean it up – my inner audiophile would jump at that. |
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| maxro |
| quote: | Originally posted by rick57
(untitled) - Peter Gabriel
Almost re-defines eclectic; bound together by subtle English quasi-theatrical quasi-hippie humour. Solsbury Hill forever!
But the sound quality? Sounds like the gear had a layer of mud on it.
Hopefully a remaster might clean it up – my inner audiophile would jump at that. |
I believe a remastered CD was released this year, along with his second and third albums.
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| rick57 |
I just saw the first 8 albums were re-released remastered by Geffen in 2002, only limited edition :( but is still available! :) Thw eheels of Amazon are now turning – thanks for the lead :cool:
I was once listening to Peter Gabriel’s debut on a reasonable pair of speakers in a hi-fi store, thinking - compared to the other CDs I brought in, what a **** recording.
The salesman walked in asked if he could let another customer hear a system? Sure . .
With the same CD player and Peter Gabriel he switched to a Krell and the B&W Silver Signature series, with silver internal wire. I’d read about the B&W SS, and thought – what a wank.
The moment he hooked up the other system, two layers of mud departed the sound. And some say wanking is not good for you!
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| DRC |
| quote: | | What's the best female debut? |
I like Bjork but i think Ricky Lee Jones is better !! |
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| Jocko Homo |
Since King Crimson nevers does the same thing twice, not surprised that you would feel that way. Not to say that I disagree........
OK, all you youngsters. What American hippy band had their entire debut album released as singles? That's right: 5 45s were relased, all 10 songs on the album were either an A or B side of a 45.
The radio stations thought it smelled fishy, too much hype, and the band fizzled out quickly. Anyone other than SY want to guess???? I know that he is old enough to know, and close enough to their base of origin to know the answer, even if he has forgotten.
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| mercator |
Would that be Moby Grape?
/Dave |
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| amt |
Dont know the answer but...
As far as debut albums go, I think the ones that stand out for me are the ones that provided a very unique sound, with excellent musicianship, and of course, well recorded (or at least decent). Heres a short list.
Robin Trower Twice Removed From Yesterday
Kansas Song for America
Dire Straits Sultans of Swing
Van Halen Van Halen 1
Rippingtons Moonlighting (sorry, had to throw ONE jazz lp in)
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| Jocko Homo |
Dave wins a gold star. Must be a fan of the late Skip Spence.
Jocko |
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| disconnec |
| quote: | Originally posted by rick57
Note:
This thread is not restricted to rockerz.
What's the best female debut? |
Joanna Newsom - The Milk Eyed Mender
.. anyone? anyone? |
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| rick57 |
| Tell us un-initiated about Joanna . . |
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| SY |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jocko Homo
I know that he is old enough to know, and close enough to their base of origin to know the answer, even if he has forgotten.
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Actually, I do know, but that's because you told me about a year ago. I'm old enough, but remember, I was 3000 miles from here in those days. I don't think I even saw a Grateful Dead show until the early '80s. Our town was more famous for Joan Jett, Frank Zappa, and Nils Lofgren.
Not to mention that Billie Holiday person. |
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| rick57 |
Our town was more famous for Joan Jett, Frank Zappa, and Nils Lofgren . . . Not to mention Billie Holiday
They all came from one town?
Was it something in the waters
. . and the special town is? |
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| tarnationsauce |
A first record that blew my mind when it first came out was Tool's Opiate.
Not to mention they keep impressing me with every subsequent album. :bigeyes: |
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| SY |
| quote: | Originally posted by rick57
Was it something in the waters
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Indeed. John Waters, to be precise. |
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| disconnec |
| quote: | Originally posted by rick57
Tell us un-initiated about Joanna . . |
She reminds me of Bjork... If bjork was a classically trained harpist from Texas. Her lyrics are sharp, poignant, witty. Her voice... quiet and folky maybe, but not warbly.. Heartbreaking at times and explosively joyous at other. I'm gushing.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?...ymp1z83a3yv5~T1 |
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| mjkempton |
Folk, Jazz, Hippy - dunno
For me there's only one, Astral Weeks. Still beats the rest into the dust 26 years later.
No, Blowin' Your Mind doesn't count
enjoy! |
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| rick57 |
Joan, Frank, and Nils, Billie, John Waters . . all diverse
Marylanders
I thought Van Morrison's first solo album was Blowin' Your Mind? |
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| PauSim |
| Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells |
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| CBS240 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tarnationsauce
A first record that blew my mind when it first came out was Tool's Opiate.
Not to mention they keep impressing me with every subsequent album. :bigeyes: |
I understand Tool is working on a new album now. Can't wait to here it!:D |
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| Scottmoose |
I can't pick one to cover every genre. So one each from a few!
1) Mike Oldfield -Tubular Bells (for an indescribable genre)
2) Loreena McKennitt -Elemental (Folk)
3) Patti Smith -Horses (Female Rock; I refuse to accept the argument that says she's punk)
4) PJ Harvey -Dry (Punk)
5) PJ Harvey -To Bring You My Love (Female Concept album -No, I'm not cheating, this is her as a solo artist, not as a band using her name.)
6) Rick Wakeman: The Six Wives of Henry VIII (Progressive Rock)
7) Led Zepplin (rock)
8) Kelly Joe Phelps -Roll Away the Stone (Blues) |
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| rick57 |
Scottmoose
Interesting genre ideas. Some of them:
1) Tubular Bells an indescribable genre ~ how about progressive rock?
3) Patti Smith Horses (Female Rock?? Not punk agreed. Art hard/ rock?
5) PJ Harvey -To Bring You My Love (Female Concept album -No, I'm not cheating, this is her as a solo artist, not as a band using her name.)
Ooh, there’s that sexism again – do we have “male rock”?
6) The Six Wives of Henry VIII (Progressive Rock) or Myth Rock? |
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| Cloth Ears |
Re: Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno and others - are they debut albums if they've already appeared on another album (Roxy Music, Genesis)?
For the record:
Dandy Warhols (eponymous)
Devo (Are We Not Men?)
Nina Hagen Band (eponymous)
Sex Pistols (Never Mind the Bollocks - could also qualify as best last album also)
Sheryl Crow (Tuesday Night Music Club)
Dead Kennedys (Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables) |
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| rick57 |
Nina Hagen Band - Great artist - vs the follow up Unbehagen - a great album?
Never Mind the Bollocks - why did it take so long to come up?
Dead Kennedys - on the money again! |
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| rosette |
| Songs about Jane- Maroon 5 |
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| Ouroboros |
The debut albums from:
Kate Bush.
The Changelings (The Atlanta band).
And more recently,
The Wailin' Jennies. |
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| pred |
1. Are You Experienced? - Jimi Hendrix Experience (changed rock hystory)
2. Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols - Sex Pistols (Back to basics!)
3. Birth Of The Cool - Miles Davis (why not :cool: ) |
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| sbrads |
Rock only debuts
1. My Generation - The Who
2. Are You Experienced - Jimi Hendrix
3. My Aim is True - Elvis Costello
4. Led Zeppelin 1
5. Sultans of Swing - Dire Straits
Any of the top 3 could have been no.1, depends on my mood. Zep 1 suffers from it's non originality compared with the top 3. In other words, I had heard this sort of sound before Zep 1's release, unlike the top 3, even if it was mainly through hearing relevant strands of live stuff from the likes of The Who, Jeff Beck, Yardbirds etc. It seemed to be new and original to most people at the time though so wouldn't argue with it being others' no.1 choice. |
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| rick57 |
sbrads
Eh? While Zep 1 is not in the highest echelons for its originality, but what about execution at hitherto unheard of levels.
What tracks pre 1968 have anywhere near the combination of intense singing, masterful guitar, and dynamic drumming of LZ 1’s 'versions' of Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, You Shook Me, Dazed And Confused, or any other tracks for that matter?? |
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| sbrads |
| Well, I said live, I saw a lot of bands in London/Kent from 67 -72, but for instance You Shook Me by the Jeff Beck Group was released before LZ1, and it's a flawed recording with unneeded strange keyboards, but listen to the guitar playing which is better than Page's and is what Page based his version on surely. LZ1 was the first recording of this type of music that 'all came together' and was and still is great to listen to, but I just value originality more highly than levels of execution. Now LZ2 DID possess the required level of originality to perhaps be my no.1 but it wasn't a debut album. |
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| rick57 |
Ah I thought you meant live *albums (of which there few up to then).
I’ve heard You Shook Me by the Jeff Beck Group, and it mostly didn’t do much for me. I might listen again to the guitar work.
> I saw a lot of bands in London/Kent from 67 –72
Oh lucky man
Time to crank up my time machine
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| rick57 |
Moon Safari (98) by the French Air
. . cheeel . . |
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| Scottmoose |
| quote: | Originally posted by rick57
Scottmoose
Interesting genre ideas. Some of them:
1) Tubular Bells an indescribable genre ~ how about progressive rock?
3) Patti Smith Horses (Female Rock?? Not punk agreed. Art hard/ rock?
5) PJ Harvey -To Bring You My Love (Female Concept album -No, I'm not cheating, this is her as a solo artist, not as a band using her name.)
Ooh, there’s that sexism again – do we have “male rock”?
6) The Six Wives of Henry VIII (Progressive Rock) or Myth Rock? |
Good points well made. My choices and placements were arbitary, and I didn't want to try cluttering things up by mentioning still more! Just a bit of fun, and some of my favourites really.
Patti in art rock? Sounds good to me. I didn't mention male rock, because that's what I classified Led Zep as in my mind. Bells as prog rock? Possibily -I've never defined it as that myself -but I suppose that's as reasonable a classification as any, probably better than most. Rick to me is prog -the myth style albums like The Mysths and Legends of King Arthur had their tongue very firmly in their cheek, and the majority of his output isn't like that, which is why I put it there; arbitary again though! Still, like them or not, ultimatley, all the albums everyone has mentioned are good and worth hearing. We all love music and it speaks to us in different ways! Good fun though, isn't it!
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| steenoe |
What would make for a great debut album? I have a few questions and hopefully a few answers as well.
Considering a good album, you have to ask yourself a few things!
What are the parameters that makes a good album, for starters??
As for best debuts, as this thread is about, I have a few thoughts.
Here goes: Many great debut albums, relied on some specific things, going on in the particular time they where launched. Personally I do believe that a great Debut album depends on that very fact. Many albums mentioned in this thread, had their sthrenght, just because of that! An album, able to catch and express the "currents" going through our society, at some particular time, is almost bound to have succes, isn't it? To name a few, Sheryl Crowe's debut did hit big time, because of that! Great album as it is, I dont think it would have made the big scene, without this kind of "finger on the pulse" feeling you had at that time, listening to the album! The same goes for a lot of other artists. So a great debut, as I see it, depends on capturing the feel and spirit, going through society at that particular time!!
Nevermind with Nirvana, is another case of point!! I could ofcourse name many more, but do you think I am right on this????
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| timind |
Alanis Morissette's "Jagged Little Pill" works on all the levels explained in the previous post. I love this album and so does my 17-year-old daughter. She listens to it all the time.
How about Jewels "Pieces of You?" |
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| ezkcdude |
| quote: | [i]Nevermind with Nirvana, is another case of point!!
Steen:cool: [/B] |
Nevermind wasn't their debut, dude. That would be Bleach. |
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| maxro |
| quote: | Originally posted by timind
Alanis Morissette's "Jagged Little Pill" works on all the levels explained in the previous post. I love this album and so does my 17-year-old daughter. She listens to it all the time.
How about Jewels "Pieces of You?" |
Jagged Little Pill is also not a first album. "Alanis" as she was simply known at the time had a ditsy dance-pop album before J.L.P.
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| Valvewizard |
| Jamiroquai-First one of the best |
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| KBK |
Montrose-Montrose
Van Halen- Van Halen.
Recipe for enjoyment (per person): 1/2 oz of field grown, not too strong, thank you very much..followed by 1.5 cases of decent beer to grease the rest of your party day/evening/morning..... ahh..those youthful days. I'd never do anything like that. :angel:
Both mindblowers, at the time. Totally original, when it was first heard by someone.. it completely stopped them in their tracks.
You turned toward the music..and followed it as it got louder, all the while thinking 'WTF is that?'.
I'm not the kind of person who plays these albums anymore, I've turned onto a cranky old man whenever somone tries to play these albums.
But I do listen to Rage Against The Machine, on vinyl!! and man, that music needs to be played LOUD!!
"**** YOU, I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!"..etc..etc.. gotta love it. (Killing in the name of...) |
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| poobah |
Boston... done.
Van halen would have to run the closest second. |
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| marvinzzmartian |
Interesting. Very Interesting. I just got a free promo DVD from B&W & they feature Peter Gabriel's "In Your Eyes" live. But of course you're listening to it with your own speakers so I'm not really sure of the point. But it's free.
Sorry, I'm new here - this is a comment to Rick57 post #21
& to all a good freebie just for visiting B&W's website & filling out the form. ;) |
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| darth |
Toy Matinee
Alan Parson's -Tale's of Mystery & Imagination Edgar Alan Poe |
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| KBK |
uuhmm.."I Robot" is 'The Alan Parsons Group's first release. Still my favorite.
I forgot my band new "Quiex II" 200gram copies of that and Supertramp's 'Breakfast In America' albums in Montreal, at the audio show. Lucky for me, someone I know has them. And will hopefully send them to me...... |
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| blunderman |
Pearl Jam - Ten
So far, a classic that they haven't topped
Violent Femmes - Self Titled
Hallowed Ground is also good, but not better
Sevendust - Self Titled
They get worse with each new album, aka the "Pearl Jam Effect" |
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| rick57 |
| A *lot of bands get worse/ more bland with each new album :bawling: |
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| phn |
What about Texas' son? The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators, and Roky Erickson & the Aliens: I Think of Demons.
Did anyone mention Velvet Underground, Pink Floyd, Motörhead, Clash (US pressing), Modern Lovers, Discharge, Flux of Pink Indians, MDC (I'll end there)? |
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| johnthedoctor |
Leonard Cohen. Songs of...
Heard 'Suzanne' on the radio one evening and bought the album the next day.
Over 30 later the same happened when I heard 'Moldy Peaches' do a song from their debut album except it took me a while to realise that there was no 'U' in mo_ldy. Darn American spelling. |
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| maxro |
| quote: | Originally posted by johnthedoctor
...it took me a while to realise that there was no 'U' in mo_ldy. Darn American spelling. |
Wait until you realise that Yanks spell "realise" with a "z" (that would be pronounced "zee" in American, not "zed").
Here's a few others, all eponymous:
Led Zeppelin
Julien Clerc
Antony and the Johnsons
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| catrafter |
KT Tunstall - Eye To The Telescope (US debut)
Mindy Smith - One Moment More
Tom |
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| Wombat |
An actual debut album:
Sophie Solomon - Poison Sweet Madeira
Nice fiddling! |
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| EC8010 |
Well, I don't know, it took until the fourth page of this thread before anyone mentioned Kate Bush ("The Kick Inside") and nobody's previously mentioned Suzanne Vega's eponymous debut album.
And, I know I'll be hooted at for this, but what about Jean-Michel Jarre's debut "Oxygene"? All went downhill after that. |
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| classd4sure |
Pearl Jam effect... no kidding.
I'm going to cheat and say "A Perfect Circle" Mer de noms, also the PJE.
Black Sabbath.
The new Tool is a thrill. :smash:
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| widman |
| Uncle Tupelo - No Depression |
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| lousymusician |
| quote: | Originally posted by KBK
uuhmm.."I Robot" is 'The Alan Parsons Group's first release.
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Ummmm, no it wasn't. According to the copyright dates on the jackets of my LP's, 'Tales of Mystery and Imagination' was released in 1976, 'I, Robot' in 1977. |
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| FastEddy |
" Are You Experienced? (1967) Jimi Hendrix Experience "
Best and better as the years go by.
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| razz |
Poe
Gish
Jewel
Garbage
Crash Test Dummies
The Lion & the Cobra
I don't have bestest-type picks, but here are some alternates |
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| steenoe |
| quote: | | " Are You Experienced? (1967) Jimi Hendrix Experience " |
I wouldnt disagree with that at all:D Jimi is my man.
Steen:cool: |
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| rabidlistener |
Chicago Transit Authority - forget their later mid of the road **** - this is blistering - a superb blend of brass & rock - 8 minute version of Spencer Davies "I'm a man"
Mike
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