| simon5 |
Did someone else than me noticed the sudden jump into high-end made by Adire Audio?
10 inches lineup start at 160$.
12 inches lineup start at 180$.
15 inches lineup start at 200$.
18 inches lineup start at 500$.
Lower power handling, higher Fs, lower Xmax, not even XBL^2...
(Except the 18 incher got the same power handling, higher Xmax and lower Fs, still not using XBL^2 anyway)
I'm a bit disappointed, the only good thing is lower Vas for these 4 woofers compared to the 4 they are replacing.
They got a new monster too, a 18 inches Tumult with 33 mm Xmax, but at 750$ I can't afford it right now! :D |
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| saramac |
| The prices do seem high. |
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| BassAwdyO |
I have to say I am a bit dissapointed by the new Tumults. Only 1000watts power handling and a hair less excursion. Not to mention a $200 increase in price from the original tumult to what seems to be its eqivilant, the tumult15d2.
And where did all the pictures go on the adire website?
I'm not in the market for any subs right now, but if I were I'd probably go with Ascendant's Avalanche 18. |
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| KBK |
| Adire appears to be moving upward and onward. Absolutely nothing wrong with that! |
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| jdybnis |
| I think the price changes are a reflection of Adire's switch to a dealer driven sales model vs. an internet direct model. Using dealers they have to raise the MSRP to make the same profit on a driver after the dealers take their cut. But also Adire can't undercut their dealers by selling the drivers cheaper direct on the internet. Who knows if at the end Adire is actually making more per driver than before? |
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| bossobass |
I'm sure no dealer will be asking those MSRPs for any of the new Adire drivers.
I'm also sure that Adire decided to go very conservative with PMax numbers because of what seems to be an apparent problem of consumers who mistake thermal limit specs to mean required power, regardless of application.
The new 15" Tummy has a lower Fs, requires a larger box...basically the same FR for 2.5 cubes sealed L/T. Even at 50% off the new MSRP, the Avalanche 15 is the driver to buy...looks like.
I'm also suffering from anticappointment at the moment, I must admit.
Who's gonna be the first to bang one together and post results?
Dan, if you're reading this, send 2 out. Within 3 days I'll have single and dual sealed L/T graphs posted along with subjectives galore...for better or for worse. :cool:
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| Tweeker |
| Lovely phenomenom you see in high end retail- if it costs more, some people think it must be better. Avalanche is too cheap to be any good.:smash: :smash: :smash: |
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| JWFokker |
| So what's the new preferred budget 12" sub? I was PLANNING on getting a Shiva, but now that they've jacked up the price what else is there? I'd heard mention of a 12" Ascendant sub that was a good value but I'm not familiar with the brand. |
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| Tweeker |
| 15s are a much better value if you can possibly make the room. Ascendant Audio Atlas series are very good value XBL2 subs. 12" is $145 for 1.73L displacement, 15" is $160 for 2.91L. The 15 doesnt take any more power to drive. The Atlas drivers have fairly high efficiency and dont need much juice. |
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| hooha |
| quote: | Originally posted by JWFokker
So what's the new preferred budget 12" sub? I was PLANNING on getting a Shiva, but now that they've jacked up the price what else is there? I'd heard mention of a 12" Ascendant sub that was a good value but I'm not familiar with the brand. |
I'm with you on this one. I too have been waiting, and was taken back a bit by the pricing. I'll have to see what the end result is through the Canadian distributor. The suggested pricing on their site is making me look at the Ascentant product as well...
Mark |
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| JWFokker |
| The Atlas 15" does look good but I'd like to hear other alternatives. If there are any. |
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| mike.e |
Bassawdyo| quote: | | Only 1000watts power handling and a hair less excursion |
Only 1,000watts?The expense of a 1.6kw driver is worthwhile,your inferring? Id have to disagree. |
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| BassAwdyO |
| Thats not what I'm inferring. What I'm inferring is that the new tumult isnt as beefy as the old one, and costs 200 dollars more. Now if the power went up to 2000watts and the excursion increased, i could see the increase in price, but with less power and excursion it doesnt make a whole lot of sense. I havent read anything that said they actually made an improvement upon the old version, just that they offer different sizes. |
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| simon5 |
There's now not much alternatives in the 12" budget market.
Ascendant Audio only...
No one else is offering a 145$ driver with XBL^2 or similar technology for linear Xmax.
Price/performance champion of the moment I guess.
Even the new Shiva is not XBL^2, not even the new Tempest. |
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| Tweeker |
| Hmm, only alternative to Atlas I can think of is Acoustic Elegance AV-12. 2.3L Vd for $175. |
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| mike.e |
| quote: | | Thats not what I'm inferring. What I'm inferring is that the new tumult isnt as beefy as the old one, and costs 200 dollars more. |
Ah I misunderstood.
Businesses change their pricings due to varieties of reasons...Perhaps they realised that they were simply selling it at too low a price... |
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| simon5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tweeker
Hmm, only alternative to Atlas I can think of is Acoustic Elegance AV-12. 2.3L Vd for $175. |
Yes AV-12 is very good for space saving subwoofers.
Like the Peerless XXLS, which is a bit cheaper.
But the Atlas SQ should be superior to these two. |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tweeker
Acoustic Elegance AV-12 |
Is John using the tech he got from llambda in that one?
dave |
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| Tweeker |
The AV-12 doesnt have a Faraday ring. It has a cast basket, aluminum cone, 23mm xmax, low vas and high powerhandling. Uses a short gap long coil motor. Does look to be a good space saver. Cant comment on sq vs Atlas dB for dB as Ive heard niether.
I know a linear BL, low inductance, high excursion design is in the offering.
AV-12
Atlas 12 |
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| simon5 |
That's why I said the Atlas "should" be superior in SQ, because I didn't hear these two.
Atlas 12 got lower inductance and a linear BL curve versus AV12.
In practice, I don't know.
Also, I don't know when, but John will use some of the Llambda technology in his linear motor due this year. 43 mm of Xmax, linear BL curve, lower inductance than competitors, we'll need to see. I hope it will be soon, but John didn't update the status on his new motor design since a long time ago. |
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| thoriated |
| quote: | | 15s are a much better value if you can possibly make the room. Ascendant Audio Atlas series are very good value XBL2 subs. 12" is $145 for 1.73L displacement, 15" is $160 for 2.91L. The 15 doesnt take any more power to drive. The Atlas drivers have fairly high efficiency and dont need much juice. |
Say, what do you think of the 15" Stryke - looks like good value for the money and intermediate Xmax betwen Atlas and Avalanche. |
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| mac |
| quote: | Originally posted by simon5
Yes AV-12 is very good for space saving subwoofers.
Like the Peerless XXLS, which is a bit cheaper.
But the Atlas SQ should be superior to these two. |
This is a pretty good driver especially when you consider the cost. http://www.soniccraft.com/Drivers/scc300.htm
I'm using them in my w-frame dipoles:
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| Tweeker |
The AV-15 and Atlas 15 have close displacement/dollar. I expect the Atlas sounds better at higher frequencies as it has lighter cone and lower inductance. Im not sure how theyd compare down low, AV15 has an aluminum cone and different motor. The AV-15 wins hands down in the bling department. I have an Avalanche 18 and it is a beast, the Avalanche 15 is very similar but it is also more spendy.
In infinite baffles the AE IB15 cant be beat dollar for dollar.
For a high sq 12 AE might still have some Lambda 12s with Faraday motors on clearance, $150 each. |
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| RHosch |
| For 12" drivers I wouldn't count out the TCSounds motors... the TC2+ is an exceptional driver for the money, great sound quality and plenty of excursion. Can be found at SoundSplinters or O-Audio. The TC9 motor is more specific in application, but man does it excel in those applications. SoundSplinter carries their version of the TC9, and the Stryke/AE AV-12 is based on the TC9 motor as well. |
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