| mmmm, More Bull! - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| Illusus |
Everybody seems to love this kind of **** so here's one more!
http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina27.htm
Seems like an "Intelligent ~ Upgrade" to me.
The entire description rocks. Kudos to the guy selling this thing. I wonder how many he has sold. I'd like the list of buyers, I have a ton of 'important investment opportunities' for them. |
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| planet10 |
hoot...
what wiiilll they think of next?
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| SY |
There does seem to be a real synergy between audio writers and scam artists.
They do make one mistake and claim increased dynamic range- that's actually a measurable attribute (unlike the vague verbal and legal Jello of "more air, less congestion"), and that could hang them if someone were to make a court case out of it. |
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| setmenu |
What about that sooper tweeter that 'works' in the giga hertz
frequency band.:bigeyes:
Whilst I agree it is important to keep an open mind, it strikes
me that some people [reviewers] like to sit on the fence a
little too much.
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| analog_sa |
Yes. It really works. My company sells an add-on super-intelligent chip which removes the 16 CD limit. For only $29.95 you can use the Intelligent chip over and over with your entire cd collection.
Take advantage of this limited time special offer (only to diyaudio members).
Superintelligent Chip, SGSIC-10 (upgrades 10 intelligent chips) $29.95 |
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| SY |
The effects of these chips are quite exciting to the ear initially, but like all such "enhancements," they distort the sound and remove the listener from a deeper appreciation of the music. It's much like using an Aphex exciter or changing the EQ to hot up the top end and give a big bump in the bass. After time, the listener finds it fatiguing. And it's too late- these treatments are not only damaging, they're permanent.
Until now, that is. I have a chip that will remove the effects of the machinadynamica and the analog_sa chips. Unfortunately, due to the use of classified Stealth technology and Dr. Y's extensive experimentation with the combination of material energies to exactly compensate for those unmusical chips sold to the unwary, the price of the CounterChip is $129.95. But really, there's no comparable improvement that you can buy at this price, or (I might humbly suggest) at several times that price.
I am currently taking orders and will begin shipping next month. |
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| phn |
| Of course this can't be any good. Everybody knows it has to cost an arm and a leg before it can be that. Like Transparent Cable's box of air or Reference Audio Mods' lacquered wood knob. |
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| motherone |
| Where's the platinum plated version? I thought that these would sound like poop unless you used the platinum plating with C37 lacquer on it. I know that this raises the cost, but I only have 10 CDs for my $150,000 system, and I really feel that they're worth improving rather than buying another disc. |
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| janneman |
I've seen this machina dynamica guy before! He also used to sell special lacquer to put on chips to improve the sound IIRC.
And there was an other thread on the guy here selling a scam where I got in heated discussion, can't remember the subject, arghhh, bad memory. But it'll come back.
Ohh yes, some add-on thing you connected to your RCA CD cable and that supposedly got rid of jitter, jitterkiller? Anybody remember?
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| phn |
| Thanks. THAT was fun. But, I must say, also sad and scary. The whole thing is a logical fallacy. As in making no logic, sense or reason. Last time I saw this kind of anti-science and anti-education was in the history books. It's called the Dark Age. |
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| leadbelly |
| quote: | Originally posted by phn
Last time I saw this kind of anti-science and anti-education was in the history books. It's called the Dark Age. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages |
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| rdf |
| quote: | Originally posted by SY
...the price of the CounterChip is $129.95. th. |
Is there an Unobtanium version? |
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| SY |
| quote: | Originally posted by rdf
Is there an Unobtanium version? |
It's been discontinued. |
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| KBK |
Oh. Just when I was about to buy one.
Will there be a Renaissance version soon?? One for $349.00?
Can I hire someone to make a 'copy', for $449.00?
Dark ages: Hmmm....Kinda reminds me of the current state of western culture (or lack of it, specifically tied to directionality)..or...western Politics:"...violence, lust, greed, anarchy and barbarism..." |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by KBK
Politics |
"Pol" Latin for "many, "tics" as in "bloodsucking creatures"
dave |
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| mantisory |
it appears that our friend is at it again!!!
Here is a great product!
WOW!
I took a look at his website - it's chock full of this stuff...one must wonder who buys this ****! |
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| Illusus |
| Brilliant!!! I bet those Machina Dynamica guys laugh for hours after each sale. |
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| motherone |
| I know most of you are thinking the same thing, but dangit, I have to say it: It breaks my freakin' brain to think that anyone out there is *stupid* enough to fall for this. I mean, seriously, the people that buy this BS are proof that most audiophiles have more money than brains. |
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| DSP_Geek |
| quote: | Originally posted by motherone
I know most of you are thinking the same thing, but dangit, I have to say it: It breaks my freakin' brain to think that anyone out there is *stupid* enough to fall for this. I mean, seriously, the people that buy this BS are proof that most audiophiles have more money than brains. |
"Some", not "most", I would think. It's a big world out there: adding the EU with North America and Japan gives you 800 million people. Assuming 1% are audiophiles, and only 1% of those believe this stuff, that still leaves an audience of 80,000 people to buy Magic Clocks. Get 1% penetration of the marks, and at $125 a pop you've grossed a cool hundred grand. Not bad. I wouldn't do it, but I can see how someone might. |
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| adason |
i would partly blame reviewers, audio magazines
willing to promote everything they get paid for... |
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| motherone |
| quote: | Originally posted by DSP_Geek
"Some", not "most", I would think. It's a big world out there: adding the EU with North America and Japan gives you 800 million people. Assuming 1% are audiophiles, and only 1% of those believe this stuff, that still leaves an audience of 80,000 people to buy Magic Clocks. Get 1% penetration of the marks, and at $125 a pop you've grossed a cool hundred grand. Not bad. I wouldn't do it, but I can see how someone might. |
If you go look at Audio Asylum, or visit a high-end store, I think you'd be surprised. Maybe they're not as representative of all folks out there. Either way, there's way too many stupid people parting with their money :D |
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| jacco vermeulen |
Newsflash:
Ken Kessler = Max Headroom |
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| mantisory |
ken kessler...i wrote an email about him that got published in Hi Fi News a couple months ago :)
You know, pushing snake oil, i suppose, has been a long running theme in human civilizations i suppose. On the other hand, it seems that only recently have big corps teamed up push each others products.
so what's worse...some guy on an out-of-the-way website pushing products that are obviously a joke, or KK and his like pushing the latest multi thousand dollar products?
I'd vote the latter i suppose... |
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| jackinnj |
| quote: | Originally posted by phn
Thanks. THAT was fun. But, I must say, also sad and scary. The whole thing is a logical fallacy. As in making no logic, sense or reason. Last time I saw this kind of anti-science and anti-education was in the history books. It's called the Dark Age. |
The "Dark Age" wasn't actually that dark (well maybe not in Sweden) -- the French just needed a name for it to justify "the Enlightenment".
In that "Dark Age" (that period after the decline and fall of Rome), agriculture in Europe began to flourish as the Romans methods, inappropriate for the heavier soils of Northern Europe, were supplanted. Someone finally figured how to put a good transmission on the horse (was it the Magyars?).
We have, in the States, an educational institution called "The Agricultural Extension" -- usually a branch of the State University in which you learn which crop of tomatoes is best for your soil etc. --- this system actually dates to the 6th Century (that's the dark ages, remember) in Europe where the Benedictines started the first "ag schools". |
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| TwoSpoons |
| I guess there's enough technically challenged people out there, with big enough bank accounts, that for $100 this rubbish is worth a try. If is doesn't work, they don't really care because its only spare change. |
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| northsiderap |
Perhaps the mere presence of the clock or chip in the room is enough to make one focus on the actual sound of the source/device, thereby actually enhancing the listening experience.
Maybe it's worth it for some people. Who knows. Then again, some people have money to wipe their butts with. |
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| influx |
| ...what's wrong with the clock? Next you'll be telling me that magnets in my shoes don't work either :bawling: . |
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| davidsrsb |
| You must throw out the green pen you used on the edge of cds and use a blue one now as dvd drives use a red laser |
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| Geek |
| This guy isn't in jail.... why? :confused: |
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| bluesmoke |
Wow, just saw that chip...
I have some processed cheese slices that are just as orange. Probably has better dampening effects on my CDP enclosure as well (the cheese, that is).
yeesh.:xeye: |
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| Eva |
I've been reading through that thread and the only thing that I feel now is that those damn scammers and the stupid reviewers that advertise them (obviously in a paid basis) must be all jailed for the rest of their lifes.
BTW: Hold the shame if you lacked enough common sense to see the scam and you paid a fortune like in The Emperor's New Clothes tale :D:D:D |
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| jacco vermeulen |
I figured i could try putting my old Timex wristwatch on top of an amplifier.
Guess what : It really works, i can read the time when i look at the amp ! |
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| pinkmouse |
| I've come to the opposite conclusion Jacco. If I put my cheap £1 digital watch on top of my highly tweaked CDP, it actually keeps better time than the Rugby Atomic Clock... |
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| A'af |
| Even NASA brave to declare, already landed a survey robot to MARS!! :smash: |
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| karlw |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eva
Hold the shame if you lacked enough common sense to see the scam and you paid a fortune like in The Emperor's New Clothes tale :D:D:D |
To me, this is the key issue. Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but just like in a fair amount of marketing, politics and religion, this (and other scams like it) rely on the programmability of the human mind. In other words, it's very possible for this device to work simply because people belive that it will.
A simple scientific test could be set up to prove or disprove that this device not only works but has any effect at all. It would require a control group, i.e. a placebo, and the actual device. If enough people could determine whether the treatment had been done or not, without knowing beforehand, then game over.
However, in the cases where people read the description and then use the device, I would bet that most will hear a difference because they have convinced themselves that such a difference exists and this device has caused it.
The part I love most is that this thing "upgrades" 10 CDs, or 40 for the more expensive model. So they have a built-in expiration on it, for the same reason. People will "think" that they've used it up and now it doesn't work any longer...
Again, this same kind of approach is used by politicians, the media, and organized religion. And I would conjecture is is just as "real" as about anything else. No, it can't be measured in a quantitative way, but there will always be legions of people who will claim that they heard/saw/felt/experienced a difference.
-Karl |
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| bluebeard |
Another never ending thread (and in this case most unfortunate).
Here's a little bit of fun almost worthy of the Onion.
http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/~pdinda/soup_cans.html
I'm pretty sure this is just a couple of bored, respectably rational, "scientists in training" venting frustration at the **** they've been finding in Sterophile magazine lately.
But hell, with so many cracked-pot offerings out there, who can tell? |
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| influx |
| Here in the Northeast clam chowder continues to demonstrate measurable sonic qualities. I myself made a similar discovery many years ago as an undergraduate but, alas, my research ended abruptly when my roommate ran out of food money and ate my stock of well....stock:drink: |
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| I_Forgot |
Have you noticed the hot cocoa phenomenon? Get yourself a cup, pour in a packet of hot cocoa powder. Add hot water and stir.
Now the fun part. Hold up the cup by its handle with one hand and tap the bottom of the cup with one of your fingers of the other hand. Listen to the way the pitch changes as you continually tap on the cup.
I have heard that this is due to a probabilistic quantum mechanical field collapsing and reemerging in negative space in the vicinity of the cocoa atoms... That might be BS... I dunno....
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| bluebeard |
Ok, Ok... I stand completely corrected - and shamed.
I didn't read the "soup can" post carefully enough the first time. I notice that they included "evaporated haggis" in the trials. This absolutely must be on the level. I'm so sorry that I thought I'd smelt sarcasm.
Forgive me. |
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| mjalazard |
| I think these chips work best with a hearty onion-ranch dressing and a coold brew! |
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| poolorpond |
Or, maybe this **** is just as ingenious as the Sokal Hoax- a statement made to criticize those who would believe anything. Who knows, sometimes I am so cynical I can't tell if the **** is **** or if the real is **** or if the **** is real. All i know is that I feel really crappy for letting myself get sucked into this. java script:smilie(':whazzat:')
http://skepdic.com/sokal.html |
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| bluebeard |
"Sokaled" might serve well as a nerdy refinement of "suckered"!
Reminds me of the "Turing" number I was promted for when signing up for a forum recently. It's the first time I'd seen that garbled alpha-numeric box so named. Supposedly, a computer is incapable of distinguishing (yet) and repeating the text as shown, so it reduces spamming. The "Turing Test" is a very interesting bit of engineering history. Check the wikipedia entry. |
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| Eva |
| A computer can decode everything it was able to previously encode. |
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