| where do lumenlab, diylabs, diybuildergroup...bay the things? - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| Rox |
Hi, I wonder if somebody knows where to buy the needed items directly from the manufacturer. That way, it is much more cheaper.
I know http://www.3dlens.com/ for instance where you can buy fresnell lenses quite cheap.
http://www.surplusshed.com/ also where a lot of lens and hot mirrors can be found as well.
but do you know where do they buy the triplet lens? i guess they have the same suplier for 80 triplet/ 135 triplet. Do somebody know where could be found?
thanks, bye. |
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| Rox |
They say, they have chinese manufacturers for the triplets but do somebody know who are they? I would like to order directly from them.
thanks |
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| corryn00 |
likley a heavily guarded secret we may never know....:scratch:
Gordon |
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| Rox |
hehe, Do you know this site: http://www.highlight-opt.com.hk/index.htm
you can find very interesting things there.
but no replys, maybe only work OEM (large cuantities)
Do somebody know where the hell triplets could be found? |
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| jdevo2004 |
Like you said in your first post, they most likey get thier things from places like 3dlens and such. The problem for you and me is that ordering small shipments from these places ends up being far more expensive than ordering from lumenlabs and such because of shiping costs.
If you want a cheaper triplet, why dont you check out the one that is being sold at www.diyprojectorcompany.com . |
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| Rox |
i believe it is the same triplet the one sold by lumenlab and the one sold by astaples (80 triplet but it is not 80 the lens clear aperture, it is more like 62). They have similar price. But my question is once more; Where do they buy from?
I guess i will never know. Bye |
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| nick[x1] |
| They most likely order big batches from the maker of the lens |
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| TaskMaster |
| Do you know anyone that can read chinese? I can take a pic of the box mine came in... it probably says the company name on the box. |
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| Rox |
| where did you bought from? I guess lummenlab,diyproyectorstore,diybuildergroup..... |
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| hertzblaster |
Allow me to share my thoughts on this. A smart businessman will never tell u his sources. Otherwise he loses his business.
If ever you want to order from manufacturers, you have to be very profesional in writing letters. They prefer to talk to somebody with a business attitude. Writing about where and how you are going to use their product, how are you going to pursue your business in partnership or support from them. Guys with existing businesses will immediately get a prompt response. Having a website is a plus factor.
And by the way, based on my experiinces, if ever you only need one or a few piece, its better to order from lumenlab, diyprojector company,diybuilder, from Ace or wherever you are in close location. Here are the hidden cost. Manufacturer only state the FOB price of their product.
1. Sample order are price much higher. More than double.
2. You have to pay thru telegraphic transfer. About $18
3. taxes and duties
4. shipping cost |
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| HiLLBiLLY |
Rumour has it they make human sacrifices to the Lens Gods...failing this working they have a little chinese fella knock em up...well so I have been told LoL
I think they would get good prices from where ever they got them as they would buy in "bulk" lots I should imagine and recieve a generous discount as opposed to the individual rocking up and paying for one item. |
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| ace3000_1 |
| quote: | | i believe it is the same triplet the one sold by lumenlab and the one sold by astaples (80 triplet but it is not 80 the lens clear aperture, it is more like 62). They have similar price. But my question is once more; Where do they buy from? |
I know where Allan Staples buys his triplets and condensers from, i was told by his manufacturer, Brainchilds is definatley China and no im not going to give away where they get their gear from as i dont have the right to do so.
Rox, what your asking is like going into Carrefour and asking where they get their gear from so you can get it cheaper. ( i know where they get their gear from too btw).
For you to buy any quantity of lenses and bring them into Spain you need a bussiness licence. You also need a good reason. Dont ask me why but thats how it works. It changed when the government changed.
Trev:) |
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| Rox |
Yes, I know they will not tell us, but maybe there is somebody like you that knows this valious information and wants to share it with everybody. I didnīt found 3Dlens by luck, i read it somewhere and the same thing with surplushed. This is the bussines world ace, if I found where do they buy from, Íīll post it here. I know people will thank it. (is it right this expresion?)
Cos i believe it started as a comunity, and now, we can find several stores on the net. The idea of the Diyprojector is to save money, do you remenber? |
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| [RPD]-Killer |
This used to be a community once, but look at it now. Every single brat tries to make a lot of money on diy-projection and JCB is by far the worst.
He doesn't ship on time, he gives a **** about deadlines or promises and today you can't even visit the forums anymore because all interresting stuff is in the privat section.
Where's the good old spirit of this hobby?
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| TaskMaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rox
where did you bought from? I guess lummenlab,diyproyectorstore,diybuildergroup..... |
I got it from Tony Dean here on the forum. |
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| Rox |
well sed [RPD]-Killer
Iīm with you. I had a bad experience with another famous store as well. I guess they introducced to diy as everybody does, when they collect the needed information, they open their store and donīt share their improves. Remenber those years when....
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| HiLLBiLLY |
"and no im not going to give away where they get their gear from as i dont have the right to do so"
Ace is a moderator on the forum fellas and the bill for the hosting was picked up by a certain DIY PJ site that you wanna know where they buy lenses from...wouldn't be right for Trev to start giving out the information you want and undermine his postion as administrator now would it!
Besides, the lenses dont cost a whole lot to start with let the blokes that have done the ground work and forked out the bucks to buy bulk get a little cash back for their efforts, they have made it easier for the average Joe to get the optics in the first place without hunting the globe for them.
Just my 10 cents worth anyways...I got my lens etc so I'm not really bothered where they get them from long as they have them if I want another and they don't get too greedy with their markup (that wasn't directed at you BTW Trev, I would pay what ever you were asking for it if you recommended it as I know you price your optics very fairly) |
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| nick[x1] |
Dont mean to sound offencive here but for all the extra time you put into searching for cheaper lenses you will only save no more than like Ģ5 because of single buying so in the end you are better off doing another hour at work or something and just pay the extra bit and get from a good well known source
my poor input :) lol :smash: |
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| ace3000_1 |
Firstly i dont have the right to give out ones private details of their bussiness or themselfs in a public place. I can be sued for this and hold DiyAudio liable.
Secondly, all of this info is in the forum already, why not run up a search?
As ive stated manny of times, i myself sell the odd optic here and there. Its not a bussiness to make money on my end, (do i ever advertise? no), its simply to help the people. Some of this stuff isnt acessable to most people either, you cant buy it singulary and you have to hold a licence. The gear ive sold over the time, is gear that actually has been exstensivly tested and garenteed to work (by me) with each other, not like manny others who guess ( not pointing fingers here, but its obvious on who does).
You wouldnt beleive how much time and money ive spent over the last 3 years doing this, thats time and money i spend and you people save. Ive spent 10 fold of what ive gotten back, do you think thats viable as a bussiness?
The only reason i started to sell the odd optic was to give people what they deserve, the right results the first time. Im about R&D not the money, im sure time has proven so, just read my thread.
If i design a projector for the people, how are they going to get the right results if they dont use the same parts? You cant, there are simply too manny varibles, its that simple, and most of the cheap off the shelf parts specs are too low for a decent system. There is an old saying, "use the right tool for the right job", and thats simply what i research doing, and share with you guys. Anyway thats the story behind me.
RPD, i agree. Time tells the full story.
Trev:) |
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| nick[x1] |
bit off topic here but what could be done is a thread made like 'Online Retailers' which would just contain a bunch of links to shops like diyprojectioncompany etc
that way it would help people and they wouldnt have to search as much
just an idea :) :hot:
some cool smilies on here :dead: |
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| ace3000_1 |
| quote: | | bit off topic here but what could be done is a thread made like 'Online Retailers' which would just contain a bunch of links to shops like diyprojectioncompany etc |
Take a look at the Wiki ;)
Trev:) |
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| Rox |
i didnīt know you sell parts as well. Have you got 80 triplet? FFc?
135 triplet?
better idea, have you got a price/item list? i remenber i spoke to you sometime, you where in spain, are you here yet? |
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| HiLLBiLLY |
hehe Trev in England heaven forbid lol
We have a national campaign under way here in Australia to entise Trev back to our shores...
The leader of the Federal Oppostion even resigned this week opening up his job for Trev to step into :-p He said it was due to health reasons but we all know it was for Trev *wink*
Come back Trev |
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| ace3000_1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rox
i didnīt know you sell parts as well. Have you got 80 triplet? FFc?
135 triplet?
better idea, have you got a price/item list? i remenber i spoke to you sometime, you where in spain, are you here yet? |
Im not going to post a price list up simply because thats advertising, (somthing we are not allowed to do in here, and somthing i choose not to do).
I dont sell triplets or fcc's, i work with light engines and small setups only. Triplets are one of those things that can be found readily available online in most optical surplus shops. For abit of advice dont get a ohp triplet, go for somthing of higher quality such as a copy lens. These can be found cheap via online surpluss stores and yeald a far superior image compared to that of the ohp triplet.
Im in Madrid ;)
Trev:) |
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| ace3000_1 |
| quote: | | We have a national campaign under way here in Australia to entise Trev back to our shores... |
Hehehehe maybe the shares are down on pies.....
Trev:) |
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| jcbklyny |
Now this is a funny thread. I like the parts about how greedy I am :)
Let me ask you a question... what makes me and what I'm doing at the DBG any different from Lumenlabs? Both sites are private (you have to pay for either one) and both sites have stores. The only difference is I had some major shipping delays in the past but in the end everyone was refunded and some were even sent free items.
Whether you like me or not, me and my site ARENT GOING ANYWHERE (sorry ace) and things are only getting better by the day. Whats even funnier is most of these people who hate me so much come to my site daily.
As far as finding the parts we all sell... you can find them rather easily. But for most of it you must buy in bulk and Hertz said it best you need to be professional and having a site is a huge advantage. I once sent edmund an email and somehow I only ended up sending my sig which includes the link to the site. They went to the site, joined saw what we were doing and contacted me asking if I were interested in bulk pricing on certain optics :)
JCB
www.diybuildergroup.com |
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| pinkmouse |
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| quote: | Originally posted by jcbklyny
... what makes me and what I'm doing at the DBG any different from Lumenlabs? |
Easy. Lumenlabs pay significant sponsorship for exclusive rights to advertise here.
JCB, if you pay, you get to advertise, it's that simple, and you know it. Now stop complaining. |
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| Guy Grotke |
I can tell a lot of folks in this discussion have no idea of the cost of making triplets, etc.
If you want a custom triplet, you will either have to hire an optical engineer to design it for you, or pay the manufacturer to design it to your specs. That will cost you a few thousand dollars. Then it will cost you for the tooling. A set of grinding tools for those particular lens curves will be the same if you want one lens or 100 lenses of the same curve. And in a triplet, you need 6 different sets of tools, for the six different surfaces. Then you get to pay for the glass blanks,which are not cheap. Then the labor of the people running the lens grinding machines. This includes a lot of steps since they have to "sneak up" on the curve without going too far and ruining the blank. Don't forget all the costs associated with machining the metal cells to hold the lenses! Finally there's shipping, customs duties, and bank transfer fees to pay.
If you actually got one of the Chinese or Indian companies to make you one triplet to order, I think it would cost you at least $2000 US! We have access to very high quality LCD projection lenses for $120 to $200 US, ONLY because a few people have put up all the money to make that happen. And their expenses continue: They have to order and pay for say 100 of these lens at a time, since the manufacturer would charge them the same amount for a smaller order.
It is not at all fair to compare the triplet prices on any of the DIY store websites to surplus copy lens prices. Try looking at the Buhl Navitar projection lenses for an "apples-to-apples" price comparison. You will be amazed. Their projection triplets go for thousands of dollars. |
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| jcbklyny |
How am I complaining?? I'm just asking why I'm so greedy and what makes the DBG is so different from LL. People like publicly bashing me for doing the same thing as him. Thats all I was trying to say. And you will not hear me say another word on the subject.
I totally understand your point mouse and havent posted here in MONTHS. You know that.
Thanks
John
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| mcfly |
The fact is that you do not do the same thing as Lumenlabs. For example, when I ordered my fresnels and triplet from Lumenlabs, I received the shipment in a few days. When I ordered an IR filter and cold mirror from DBG, I received nothing. It took you months to refund my money. That was kind of ridiculous. Other people also feel the same way. RPD, I know exactly what you're talking about. JCB tends to makes promises constantly that he will ship things in a few days and it never seems to happen.
-mcfly |
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| pinkmouse |
:cop:
Guys, play nicely or there will be consequences. This is your last warning. |
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