| Mr. Pass what do you listen to, cd or lp ? - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| promitheus |
Hallo,
I would like to make a question to Mr Pass and to anybody else who wants to reply.
What do you listen to, CD or LP?
which direction do you think audio is going to? |
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| PedroPO |
I'm not Mr Pass but Mr Pedro:)
I listen mostly to LP's.
All the new albums I have, I see it first if they exist in vinyl.
I have 60-40 % vinyl CD's.
I believe that the futer is digital, but might be a market for the Audiofreaks. (if Ferrari's, Leica's, :) can sell why not LP's?) |
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| promitheus |
Thatīs what i think also, but I see that the future of vynil is expensive. Something like luxus. It will be kind of hard to keep up.
I was hoping Super audio CD would dominate but after so many years it is disapointing to see no real change in the market. |
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| dice45 |
All,
recently bought the vinyl of MMW/Uninvisible and St.Germain/Tourist.
Still waiting for the post man, i keep you informed whether the vinyl is better than the CD :)
Me? listening to CD? only if i must, cultural pressure and stuff, like the music not being available on vinyl.
And my next tonearm will play shellacs too. My current one doesn't allow the angular swing. |
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| promitheus |
| dice45 what would you say a good DIY turntable would be, but not so expensive as the scheu ones? |
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| Peter Daniel |
It's sad to say and really hard to predict when it'll really happen, but the future IS digital.
I wasn't sure about it untill I finished my latest DAC. It beats my analog system which was in $2,000 price range. Also, most of the music I'm listening to is not available on vinyl, and if it is, cost more than CD. The other advantge of CD is simplicity and quality of copies made, which recently started to dominate my collection (otherwise I couldn't afford my music;) ). |
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| dice45 |
promitheus,| quote: | Originally posted by promitheus
dice45 what would you say a good DIY turntable would be, but not so expensive as the scheu ones? |
no idea. Scheu ain't cheap but not expensive either, considering the quality he delivers. TMK, alterenatives to Scheu are in USA hence unaffordable. The US$ has about the same purchasing power as 50 Ī-cents. So US products are about twice as expensive for Europena buyers.
Why not desinging you own? You make drawings and if you wish, i comment them and suggest possible enhancements. We could do it here and other diyAudio members could join in and we could have a group project happen like the Teres. |
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| BrianGT |
Peter,
Is your latest dac your modified david broadhurst dac?
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| Brett |
| quote: | Originally posted by dice45
We could do it here and other diyAudio members could join in and we could have a group project happen like the Teres. |
Hi Bernhard,
Count me in for a group DIY TT project.
Cheers
Brett |
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| Peter Daniel |
Brian,
Yes. The original board with good parts and good crystal (very impotant), parallel 1704K DACs, plus elaborate power supply including 6 split bobbins transformers supplying 11 separate voltages for digital section alone (this includes 44 soft recovery rect. diodes) and 2 split bobbins transformers for analog section with 4 additional voltage supply and 16 more rect. diodes. The big improvement was made by adding separate supplies for digital and analog section of the DAC chips.
My analog rig was MapleNoll air bearing turntable, BluePoint Special and Pass Ono. Nothing extreme really, but as far as I could go with analog. |
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| promitheus |
My problem is that I donīt know in what direction to go from here.
The cd player for me has more limitations the tweaking and DIY can overcome. Whatever you do you canīt get more out of a cd with 16 bit analysis and 20KHz bandwidth. |
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| BrianGT |
Peter,
Good job on the dac. Once you are finished with your cd-pro 2, are you still going to use the dac, or use the cd-pro 2 with the AD1865N chips?
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| Peter Daniel |
promitheus,
For me the sky is the limit.
Brian,
The whole intention behind the CD Pro transport is to use it as a main source. From what I've heard so far, eliminating SPDIF connection should be the major step forward, so I will either use I2S with AD1865 with no oversampling or something along 1704 DACs from BurrBrown, whatever sounds best.
So far, I consider it the only way to go. SACD doesn't have enough title selection (my main interest in music is industrial stuff) and oversampling along Elgar DSC (or whatever it's called) is too expensive. I must also admit that my current digital setup sounds really good. |
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| BrianGT |
Peter,
That was my initial assumption that it would be a replacement. It will be nice to see if you can get better sound from the cdpro transport. I hope all goes well with your project.
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| fcel |
| Peter: What do mean by "my main interest in music is industrial stuff"? |
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| fcel |
Peter,
Wow, that's some kind of music!
I think I know the answers to the following questions (knowing what you've built) but I just have to ask ......
1. When you listen to music, do you listen from the beginning of the song to the end or do you scan thru the CD and listen to bits and pieces?
2. Do you listen them loud or just as background music?
3. Do you listen (if loud) with the kids and wife at home? I assumed you've got wife and kids.
4. Which is most important to you? Low, mid or high?
5. Is achieving 16Hz bass important to you?
6. It feels loud just by reading it! How's your hearing?
Please don't take any of my questions as being offensive ...... |
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| dice45 |
promitheus and all,
| quote: | | My problem is that I donīt know in what direction to go from here. |
suppose it would not hurt if you start to write a technical specification. What do you expect from your TT? place for one tonearm or two or more ? weight? size?
What sort of motor appeals to you, AC or DC, asynchronous or synchronous? belt drive or friction wheel drive or direct drive? how many speeds, 33, 45, 78 ?
speed regulation or is ist sufficent for the start to adjust it manually?
Appearance? Shall the platter be shiny, translucent or can it be a grey slab?
Subschassis/leightweight style or heavy weight?
What sonics? What music do you listen to? Is PRaT important?
As i proposed, we can have discussion here and after we have settled on preferences (fighting over a spec can be fun :) ), design choices narrow automatically.
For the record, i have a ready TT in mind. But i'm not going to tell you about it. Too easy. Who ever participates in a diyAudio TT project shall have the feeling he has contributed and it is his design as well. I will ask questions and i will supply info and maybe organize obtaining parts. |
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| PedroPO |
Dice45
I'm willing to give my contribution with the drawings in autocad (3d if needed) for all the parts of the turntable (except the arm, leave it to the pro's).
I don't know if it helps, but my intentions are good!! |
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| dice45 |
Pedro,
Great! I am so short on time, was afraid already i would have to do it! - BTW, you could sent me DWGs and i could comment them, i too use AutoCAD 3D.
And if that helps, i send you my self-written LISP routines. Auxiliary geometry, DIN standard parts (2d) and a lot of other useful stuff. But please, plain AutoCAD,no mechanical desktop, cannot open/handle those DWGs w/o damaging them partially. |
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| Peter Daniel |
| quote: | Originally posted by fcel
Peter,
Wow, that's some kind of music!
1. When you listen to music, do you listen from the beginning of the song to the end or do you scan thru the CD and listen to bits and pieces?
2. Do you listen them loud or just as background music?
3. Do you listen (if loud) with the kids and wife at home? I assumed you've got wife and kids.
4. Which is most important to you? Low, mid or high?
5. Is achieving 16Hz bass important to you?
6. It feels loud just by reading it! How's your hearing?
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As Mr. Pass mentioned somwhere, if you are not satisfied with your system you try to listen louder and louder and eventually you swtch it off.;) So I'm not listening really loud. The other reason for that is that I crossed my Raven ribbon tweeter at 7k with 3rd order slope and it still seems to be not enough: listening too loud would damage it. I usually listen through whole CD. I also like to do compilations of my favourite tracks. Kids and wife got used to my music and they don't mind even if it's loud. My 5 years old doughter recently started to turn it down because she can't hear TV.;) I don't care for 16Hz bass and having it down 25Hz is enough, but the quality of bass is really important and I think that open baffle makes it the best. Lows, mids and highs are equally important and when they properly matched everything just sounds better. When I evaluate new equipment I've built I have few favourite tracks that I've been using for years. Those are: track 6 from Dire Straits "On Every Street", track 3 from first CD "The Wall", track 2 from Lou Reed "New York". |
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| PedroPO |
Dice45
Sorry, I wasn't very clear.
I don't actualy have my own TT project in autocad.
what I have are bit and pieces from the thing people put online of their own project, that usually are a mess in the drawing section.
I thought we could join forces to develop a nice TT, and I could help with the drawing part. |
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| Nelson Pass |
I prefer vinyl when I can get it. I hold my ear
trumpet right up against the speaker, and vinyl just
gives me the sweetest sound ;) |
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| roddyama |
| I can see it now Mr. Pass. |
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| promitheus |
| hahahahahaha!!! |
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| Brett |
I always pictured Nelson looking something similar to that. But with a white lab coat.:D
Perhaps that's his Southern distributor? |
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| dice45 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nelson Pass
I prefer vinyl when I can get it. ... and vinyl just gives me the sweetest sound ;) |
Mr.Pass,
could you tell us a bit about your vinyl set-up? Favourite vinyl maybe? |
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| dice45 |
Pedro,
| quote: | | I thought we could join forces to develop a nice TT, and I could help with the drawing part. |
yes, i understood you that way. Good! :)
BTW, why don't have your own TT project in AutoCAD 3D? it's sooo helpful to see solutions! and you do not have to nudge 3 projections along :( and weed out nonsense regularly :mad: . I would not like to miss 3D CAD. My offer for the LISP utilities stays. |
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| michael obrien |
My friend, the future of Vinyl has never been in doubt in my mind. It is, ( except for surface noise ) far superior a medium for music reproduction than any other I have come across. Belive me. I own both CD and DVD. They just dont compare in the quality of sound.
Keep them Records Rollin,
Mike OBrien |
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| DrewP |
Time for me to weigh into the whole DIY TT thingy and the pref fro TT or CD I guess...
Since about 1990 I've been happily toodling along with a CD setup. First a cheap Denon, then an Arcam Alpha 5 purchased from a Linn Dealer (there's two meanings for the word PRAT) and since a burglary 2 years ago, a Pioneer DVD player being decoded through a Denon AVR1800. So far so boring and non-diy.
About 6 months ago a friend loaned me a Technics SL120 wth Shure VST and about a dozen albums "just so I could see what I thought..."
Game Over.
Would have sworn black and blue that using the afterthought onboard phono of the Denon HT amp that it'd get stomped by the 24 bit onboard converters and a good digital co-ax cable. No so. Unles the vinyl has had a really hard time then the LP stomps the shiny disc every time.
It's a hard call on Crowded House but for Love Over Gold, Graceland, DSOTM, Violent Femmes, Momentary Lapse, Yello 80/85 and 3 German Punk Albums (Toten Hosen and Die Arzte) there's simply no comparison. Vinyl is a bucketload better.
Sad to use a Linn analogy but with the LP's, I find myself tapping my foot and listening longer.
Dice45, I'm still working on the unipivot. Crazy DIY, Yes, but I got a Zen Revisited, an EL84 SE preamp and a set of Fostex horns to finish too!
If the arm works out, I'll be the first to weigh into the DIY TT thread.
Drew |
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| dice45 |
DrewP,
no reason to wait joining us on the DIY TT thread. You can share thoughts, share design discussions, build later.
It is same with me, too much ongoing projects. If i ever build the DIY TT, i will be one of the last ones and do it just for curiosity. I have a working TT which just gets a plinth and motor re-build and i have a huge airborne behemoth in mind; that's where my personal focus is.
Nevertheless methinks it is fun to help others with what i know. And so i participate. |
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| jackinnj |
| a little blurb in last weeks New York Times indicated that DG is going to move away from Opera sets on CD and go strictly to DVD. I believe that DG has the largest operatic catalogue. oh, well, I would rather listen to Joan Sutherland in "Lucia" than watch her. |
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