| eRiCdWoNg |
Hi, I'm trying to compile a list of "legendary" speakers of old and new, expensive and inexpensive, and why. Looking for "revolutionary" stuff and stuff that any audiophile would love to have, just to have. Please help me out. I'm not too well versed on the older stuff.
I'll start:
Klipschorn
Magneplanar MG20
Polk Audio SRT system
Advent Large (dad had these) |
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| Richard C |
| Tannoy 12" or 15" dual-concentrics of course:) |
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| markp |
| Don't forget the old Altec 604/605 series of 15" co-axials. They were the studio standard for many years and are still cult favorites. |
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| rabbitz |
| Yamaha NS1000M.......... blown away by these when I heard them in the 70's though could never afford them back then. |
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| rcavictim |
| Altec A-7 Voice of the Theatre. Legendary loudspeaker. |
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| Kuei Yang Wang |
Konnichiwa,
| quote: | Originally posted by eRiCdWoNg
Hi, I'm trying to compile a list of "legendary" speakers of old and new, expensive and inexpensive, and why. Looking for "revolutionary" stuff and stuff that any audiophile would love to have, just to have. Please help me out. I'm not too well versed on the older stuff. |
Complete Speaker Systems:
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Hartley Concert Master
Gradient Revolution
Audio Artistry - all models
Those are nominated for being the only commercial speakers to offer operating principles that maximise their performance in moderatly small rooms.
Quad ESL-63
Full rage ESL, still great and has it's fans.
Tannoy GRF Autograph
THE other speaker to hanker after.
Drive Units:
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Eckmiller Koaxial from Germany
Probably the best possible coax driver EVER.
Tannoy, Altec and Parmeko Coaxials
Excellent large format Coax Drivers
Lowther (Voigt), 1940's to 1960's German Radio Fullrange Drivers (Saba, Koerting etc), old Supravox Drivers, most models in the Goodmans Axiom series but especially Axiom 80, Coral Beta 8 and Beta 10 Drivers, Hartley Fullrange Drivers
in modern times Phy Hp and Supravox make excellent drivers, Lowther seem to make/have made too many hanges to the originals, their latest drivers sound pleasant enough but nothing sounds like early PM2's in front horns.... Also noteworthy in modern times are AER, Fertin (if you can get them) and REPS.
All of the above correctly applied are excellent fullrange systems.
Other Drivers to mention, because of their sheer audacity are the Electrovoice 30" Woofer, the Hartley 24" and the Fostex 32" (80cm) Woofers.
Sayonara |
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| pooge |
I'll second the Quad, but the original model.
Also, the Heil AMT-1. Bass sucked, but oh what transients from the Heil AMT. Two speakers that made my jaw drop. |
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| peterr |
the big IMF models
Elipson 1303
Quad 57 |
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| Mark25 |
<- my avatar, Gale GS401c, flawed, but still legendary IMO. The main reason for my interest in audio too.
Mark. |
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| Rarkov |
BBC LS5/3
Manger 103 Active
MartinLogan (Any?!) |
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| jackinnj |
Legendary --
Acoustic Research LST, AR3's
JBL 100's (also called the "Century")
Bose 901's are "legendary" even if they are the most criticized speaker in history.
Klipschorns may also fall into the latter category. |
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| adason |
| how about Genesis 1.1 |
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| SY |
You mean besides the Quad 57?
The Patrician. Oh, my!
KLH 9.
Beveridge.
Rectilinear.
Dayton Wright 'stat.
Dahlquist DQ10.
Dyna A-25 and A-50.
Jantszen Z-600.
Weathers Trio (decades ahead of its time).
AR-3 and MGC.
Anything by Roy Allison.
Spendor SP-1. |
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| markp |
Wow! Did you bring back some memories.....God I'm getting old! |
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| carlosfm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aiace
philips (norelco for the americn peaple) full range 800 ohm. For more info look at http://melhuish.org/audio/drivers.html.
I'm the lucky man that have a quad of his brother |
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Man, I remember those.:cool:
There was also a front-magnet full-range, used in many 60's Philips B&W valve TV-sets.
I always found the sound of old Philips TV-sets very good, at the time they were the best.
I was a kid and those TV-sets were old but my father repaired tons of those.
As for legendary speakers, Epos ES11.
I'm biased anyway, as I'm a proud owner and I love'em.:bawling: |
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| rcavictim |
You say that like you're not sure. :D If the Bose 901's made it on this list then definitely the JBL Paragons! |
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| scott wurcer |
| How about the Ohm Walsh, or those helium plasma things. BTW Google does not give a single hit for 'weathers trio', what was it? |
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| SY |
| The Weathers Trio was the first attempt at satellite/subwoofers. Circa 1958. I'd love to have a set, just to use with a Weathers turntable, the Weathers wooden arm, and the Weathers FM cartridge. |
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| cocolino |
Visonik David 50
- made by Heco-Hennel (Germany) in the 70`s
This speaker got a lot of good reputation and as a minimonitor has been used in many recording and broadcasting studios worldwide.
I read somewhere that since today over 2 millions! of them have been sold (on the Visionik website they say that 1985 was the year 1 million have been sold) - so it actually might be the world most sold HiFi-speaker.
It`s a 2-way speaker in a supertiny (1 ltr volume) aluminium cast enclosure.
A few month ago I aquired a pair and for that size they sound just great. I`m going to mate them with a small active subwoofer and I bet this will be a killer system in regard to sound/size relationship.
After more than 30 years, Visonik is still in the business and in their current production line is a speaker almost identical to the David 50. |
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| Brett |
| Linn Isobariks, triamped. |
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| m.parigi |
APOGEE Scintilla 1 ohm setup, biamped
You needed two mortgages:
- the first for buying the speakers and the amps to drive them
- the second for buying a house with the *right* room where to put them
But boy.... I've never heard anything coming even close to them |
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| carlosfm |
| quote: | Originally posted by m.parigi
APOGEE Scintilla 1 ohm setup, biamped |
That one has to be on any list.;) |
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| matjans |
i'm surprised nobody mentioned the Klipsch horns. Now this is a speaker that has been reason for argument over and over again but still, imho, it's a legend.
don't shoot me for this one... maybe not a legend but most certainly worth it's money. I picked up a pair for 50 euros in good condition on an auction site. Spent 15 euros on epoxy and new filling and ~25 euros for a pair of new crossovers.
for starting audiophiles: b&w 220(i).
it's pretty hard to get more quality (and bass extension) for the few bucks you pay for them
three mods necessary:
- rebuild the crossovers with more decent components (if anyone needs a schematic...). It's a pretty simple crossover so this won;t cost too much.
- replace the old filling with something that doesn't sink to the bottom of the cabinet
- for the more adventurous diyers: an extra coating of the bottom speaker. i used "injection" or "impregnate" epoxy, very fluid. three droplets were enough for one cone and, weighed with a postal-scale, added something like 0,7 grams to the total cone weight. A slight impedance peak at 26 Hz but way lower and better response in the lower frequencies. |
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| Brett |
| quote: | Originally posted by matjans
i'm surprised nobody mentioned the Klipsch horns. Now this is a speaker that has been reason for argument over and over again but still, imho, it's a legend. |
Check the first post in the thread. That's why I didn't mention them as I own a pair. |
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| sardonx |
My PSB Alpha A/V's are pretty damn legendary to me!!
(and to those other 50,000 people that bought them) |
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| sardonx |
| Actually that number may have neared 100,000 before production stopped. |
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| ericpeters |
| quote: | Originally posted by m.parigi
APOGEE Scintilla 1 ohm setup, biamped
But boy.... I've never heard anything coming even close to them |
I still prefer:
Original Apogee FR, Biamped with Jadis Ja200 |
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| uli |
Infinity Reference Standard
period
Uli
:nod: :nod: :nod: |
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| Da5id4Vz |
JBL 4412
Urie 813
Yahmaha (gasp) NH-10 |
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| markp |
| quote: | Originally posted by Da5id4Vz
JBL 4412
Urie 813
Yahmaha (gasp) NH-10 |
I think you mean Yamaha NS-10? |
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| Da5id4Vz |
| quote: | | I think you mean Yamaha NS-10? |
Yah, thats the one. I could never see the *S* becase of the tape and cleanex over the tweater. |
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| Cal Weldon |
| quote: | Originally posted by uli
Infinity Reference Standard
period
Uli |
Which do you prefer, the original from 1980 or the IRS V from 1987?
I've not heard either, just stained the pictures with my drool.
Cal |
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| markp |
| The original IRS have the ability to charge the whole room with sound, they almost engulf you with power! |
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| K-amps |
B&W 801 series 80's.
I still have mine and love them! The bass is not that impressive, but the minds and high's hve everything I can ask for (except for that pesky protection circuit that trips at high volumes...)
Martin Logan CLS's. |
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| beedlo |
I am happy to see some AR fans on this forum!!
I've always drooled at my cousin's AR-11, the next gen AR-3. Its too bad he is 6000 miles away on the opposite side of the globe. The bumble bee-butt midrange really has some magic in it. AR-3a sound awesome too.
I would say the runner up would be a pair of AR-2ax. |
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Snell A3
KEF 104/2
Focal "Egg"
Braun LV1020
Dahlquist DQ-10
STAX Electrostats
Celestion SL600si
ElectroVoice Patrician
Western Electric/Altec 755A
ADS L910
ADS L200 mini (similar to Visonik)
ADS/Braun L710
Large Advent |
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| usekgb |
JBL 4311
Tannoy Reveal |
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| planet10 |
Large Advents
the Hegeman 1
and for drivers the Frugal-phile(tm) classics from Radio Shack -- the 40-1197 (Foster) and the 40-1354 (Panasonic/Matsushita?)
dave |
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| Kingsleyrob |
I know this is an ancient thread, but I've just fond this forum and couldn't resist a first post. Regarding 'legendary speakers' I notice someone has suggested the Gale 401C, but for me the GS401A wins!
I first fell for them in about 1977 and picked up a secondhand pair
for £300 shortly after. A couple of blown tweeters meant an interesting visit to the Gale factory, located in Bruton Place just off Mayfair. My teeth were clenched as I saw the mallet used to get the chrome end caps off...
:smash:
My affair with them lasted until 2001 after 24 mainly happy years, punctuted with a few partings for more repairs. Life with my Monitor Audio Studio SE20s has never really been the same since.
:bawling:
By the way, came across this forum looking for clues as to why my Marantz 6000SE Signature won't play all copied CDs, and was comforted to hear I wasn't the only one with the problem.
Happy listening
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| carlosfm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kingsleyrob
I know this is an ancient thread, but I've just fond this forum and couldn't resist a first post. |
Don't worry, it's about classical speakers, so the thread can be ethernal. :D
| quote: | Originally posted by Kingsleyrob
Life with my Monitor Audio Studio SE20s has never really been the same since. |
From what I've heard throught the years, I have a strong feeling that Monitor Audio was very good and made their best speakers through the 80s up to the mid 90's and now it's just a mainstream brand.
Nothing special...:dodgy:
Do you feel the same? |
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| audiotux |
Backes& Müller : BM 6
BM 12
BM 20
but i prefer the Mangers Audiophysiks Medea 2
Jürgen |
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| GringoAudio2 |
| A real alternative to the overpriced Visonik David. |
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| Kingsleyrob |
Yes Carlos - agree with your comment about Monitor Audio becoming mainstream over the last ten years or so, although my knowledge of the HiFi world has diminished over the years.
I see you are in Lisbon - lovely place! I visied Estoril for the Grand Prix in the early 90s, 1991 I think. Gerhard Berger won.
Rob |
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| carlosfm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kingsleyrob
I see you are in Lisbon - lovely place! I visied Estoril for the Grand Prix in the early 90s, 1991 I think. Gerhard Berger won.
Rob |
Ah, the turbo era. :cool: |
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| jacco vermeulen |
Cabasse Albatros.
Decca ribbon. |
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| rdf |
Acoustat X
Infinity Servo Statics
Audio porn in the early days. Currently in my 'dining room storage' are a pair of B&W DM-2 Mk2 and a pair of DM-4, the latter with Coles supertweeters. Thinks sure have changed since the seventies. |
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| charlieboy |
I saw the Patrician mentioned.
PWK said that a Patrician was a person who got out of the shower to pee!:D |
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| rjb |
What about the Barker Duode. A full range 12 inch ( 30 Hz to over 15 Khz), from the late forties. USA will have never heard of it, but it used a light weight cambric cone, and an patented aluminium tube voice coil former which was coated with latex, over which the voice coil was wound. The latex isolated the voice coil at high frequencies so only the tube was driven, so extended the HF range, at the cost of increased damping at low frequencies. Large cabinets were required.
The importance was that this system was picked up by Hartley, and used in combination with a compliance part way up the cone, and sold extensively in the states in the '50s. |
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| rick57 |
No-one has yet mentioned – :bigeyes:
Linkwitz Orion
Apogee Centaurus Major (an Apogee for almost everyman) |
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| davidlzimmer |
How bout the Paragon. A huge system that included both sides with a parabolic curved wood panel between them to disspers the sound. Made by JBL.
Also Jensen made a corner unit with a 30" woofer! Forgot what they called it. Patrician?
Anyone remember the "Sweet 16"? |
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| davidlzimmer |
OK So the Parragon and Patrician have already been mentioned. Sorry bout that.
How bout Bozak? Anyone remember? The Urban? |
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| valveitude |
Speakers:
KEF Corelli's (sp?)
Audionics Sub w/Dual B139's
DCM Time Windows
Celestion SL6
Mission 707
Sonab (funky little Omni cubes)
Drivers:
Souther Ribbon
Jantzen Electostatic Tweeter
Radio Shack Ribbon (Panasonic) |
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| todd12345 |
| I have recently aquired the RECTILINEAR 3X. The acoustic range is incredible. Smooth and warm. Running off an old school marantz. I love em:eek: |
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| BHTX |
Infinity Systems IRS V
Several of Bruce Thigpen's designs at Eminent Technology.
...(planars, 3-way hybrids, and yes...the rotary subwoofer).
Ohm Walsh F. |
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| Dang. Amateur |
I think these are still unmentioned--
In the driver category: EV T350, JBL 075 and 077, JBL 375, Stephens Trusonic 80FR, JBL LE8T, D130.
For systems (that helped create an industry): the JBL Hartsfield, the KLH Model 6
For audacity: The Sunlight Engineering Model 308 18" coaxial.
Dang |
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| TerryO |
I'll add the Chapman T-7
Best Regards,
TerryO |
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| 70s music |
| Nothing beat my Juliette back in early 70s . way under rated . This classic model sounded like a live concert in my bathroom. |
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| Cal Weldon |
Not a whole speaker but a legendary horn nonetheless.
Altec 1803B |
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| lazenna |
| Original Duntech Sovereign built by John Dunlavy |
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| kevinh |
Braun LV 1020, first heard these in the 70, active tri amped. wonderful sound, unreliable amps.
Sound Lab A 1, large Electrostatic. great sound still in production after 27 years (with a number of improvements over the years). |
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| Cal Weldon |
| Are those the little 511 horns? :D |
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| sones27 |
OK-- just to join in the fun. With respect to the other great speakers mentioned (most of which I agree with)-- I would like to add, in no particular order and for different reasons:
EPI 100 (great tweeter, superb speaker in the right room)
AvantGarde Duo (still in production)
Magnepan 20.1 (still in production)
By the way, the helium plasma speaker was the Hill Plasmatronic.
Mark |
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| TerryO |
I'll add the Rat Shack Minimus 7. They must have sold a million of these over the years. They were modeled after the "David" speaker mentioned earlier, although they were not in the same league. I bet that if many of you looked around through your hoard of audio treasures, you might very well have a pair stashed away. I don't expect anyone to admit owning a set of these, other than myself, that is.
Another "brand" that has consistently turned out very good speakers is Harbeth. I was over at a friend's house last week and he had a pair of Model 30's playing. They were very nice indeed, I hadn't thought about Harbeth in years, but every one I ever heard was excellent. They look kinda "clunky," I wonder if that's why they are seldom carried by dealers.
Best Regards,
TerryO |
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| anubisgrau |
I've never heard them but they certainly look as impressive as they can be, and those lucky enough to hear/own them, swear into them:
Living Voice Air Scout (smaller)
Living Voice Air Partner (bigger) |
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| audiobomber |
- Spendor BC1
- JR 149
- Museatex Melior One (point-source planar speaker) http://www.museatex.com/planar1.htm
- Energy 22 (first speaker developed with help from NRC. Helped launch Canadian speakers worldwide)
- Time Frame
- Vandersteen 2 |
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| badman |
5 1/4" in a vented box, tuned to 80 I think. Meh, who cares.... except! It had the linaeum dipole ribbon on top.
Good sounding little speaker, ratshack sold a lot of them too, they were often on sale for $150/pair. |
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| Scioneer |
I'd like to add another Radio Shack Entry.
The Realistic Mach One
Ajustable Mids and Highs on the box, A 15 inch woofer that, while somewhat low in wattage for a 15, was efficient enough to make even the smallest amps roar, and on a moderate amp ( about 50 watts) they sounded like a Battleship firing broadsides in your living room, and the Mid and Tweeter horns were loud and clear enough to keep up with the "gunboats" mounted below them.
Overall a powerful, yet accurate sounding set that were among many of Radio Shack's "sleepers". |
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| mashaffer |
I lusted over those mach 1s as a kid in HS they just looked so right. :D As usual even to this day though budget constraints reared their heads and I ended up with a set of Nova 6s. They weren't bad for the money but not very efficient. Five watts was not really enough.
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| Scioneer |
| ^ I guess the 'Mini 7' wasn't around at that time. |
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| mpmarino |
Cerwin Vega 'refrigerators'.
I didn't particularly like them, but they are certainly legendary big box store speakers.... |
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| N-Channel |
| quote: | Originally posted by TerryO
I'll add the Rat Shack Minimus 7. They must have sold a million of these over the years........ I bet that if many of you looked around through your hoard of audio treasures, you might very well have a pair stashed away. I don't expect anyone to admit owning a set of these, other than myself, that is...........
Best Regards,
TerryO |
Terry,
I proudly declare that I own 2 pairs of the black Mini-7's (40-2030C) made in Japan (not Malaysia or Singapore), and 2 1/2 pair Pro-7AVs (the "1/2" pair is actually my center speaker).
Oh, and I forgot, I have set as favorite searches in eBay: Minimus 7, Minimus 7W, and Pro-7AV. I estimate that I will need no fewer than four more pair before everything is right in the world for me. :D
I also second the vote for the Realstatic (Uh, I meant Realistic) Mach Ones. Having worked for the big red Radio Schmuck, I sold my share of the Mach Twos, and of course sold (and bought) my share of Mini-7's over the years. I lamented the day they finally discontinued them (and the Mini-77s, and the Mini-11's). The only follow-on I ever liked to the '-7's were the Pro-7AVs, as they stayed as close to the originals as possible, while adding a turnable logo, and of course, magnetic shielding.
I want to start a new thread (after searching first, of course) asking if anyone has ever internally amplified their Mini-7's (or -77s or -11s) with a chip-amp? I'm hoping this will spark some interest.
As for other entries, how about the Matthew Polk SDA-series from the 80's? You had to run cables between the L & R drivers to get the correct stereo imaging, or something like that. I think Polk likened it to having the headphone effect (no crosstalk) without the headphones. Hmmmm............
Cheers for now and '73,
Steve |
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| Scioneer |
I'm also a proud owner of just a single black sealed Mini 7, though it sounds good enough for me to reject Stereo until i find it a twin ( wouldn't even mind if it was a white one).
At the moment I'm listening to the little powerhouse, after a week listening to an old beat-up Bose a friend wanted me to refurb. The Bose plays louder, but its just not as good as the Mighty Mini. I will say this particular Bose isn't bad sounding, nothing a good redone wood box couldn't solve. Its power handling isn't much higher than 20 watts from what I can tell. It seems to use just a single 901 style driver.
Anyway while refurbing the Bose was fun, I'm glad to plug in my Mini 7 after a week of listening to an ok but not superb Bose. A speaker that has potential just don't compare to a speaker that sounds great stock. |
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| bawang |
| My oh my.... Reading this thread brings back memories of my days in New Brunswick, Canada. Used to lust after those Realistic Mach 1s, every Rat Shack catalogue will end up in my dorm room. Friend of mine (hello Ron!) from PEI finally got a pair and I drooled for weeks....... Finally settled for a set of Burhoe Acoustic Blue at the second hand market..... Sold it when I returned home at the beginning of the 90s. Yeah I know, I'm OLD... |
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| cheapskate |
B&W 802 matrix
and of course:
B&W Nautilus |
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| sprucemoose |
large advents, new or original, stacked. they should have made a tower version. running 3 as l/c/r in the HT.
smaller advents. have a modified pair out on loan.
minimus 7. running 3 pairs as surrounds in the HT.
magnaplanar tympany. heard them once, back in the late 70s, with 25 class-a tube watts each. spectacular!
ohm f. |
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| Cal Weldon |
| We're just repeating ourselves now. |
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| Nanook |
a Calgary focus:
Bill Perkins loudspeakers of any ilk
Highwood Audio stuff (help me out here moray)
more mainstream and often overlooked, reasonably priced:
B&W DM1600/1800 series, easily the most musical speakers from them at the time, I still lust after a pair.
any ProAc Tablettes, a truly great little speaker in the right circumstance, and the required Velodyne sub (at the time I heard my first original pair of Tabs)
Spica TC50s, the beginning of time coherence at great pricing (albeit with no or little bass, again with a similar vintage Velodyne)
Magneplanar SMGx, any flavour (completely different alternative for any after a musical sound at an affordable price)
VPMS of any sort
DCM Timeframes, pretty amazing for cheap drivers in a wide baffled TL,,
I have never owned any of these but have had some experience with all of them. I know these are not the typical "classics" one might think of , but at some level had all been accessable to most on a budget, and had proven to be good sounding , and long lasting (except perhaps the Calgary duo) in the market place. I could go on, but it might begin to show my age...er experience :) |
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| Hanginon |
Well, we certainly don't want to repeat ourselves -
Pearson's Frankenstein, the Infinity QRS Magnepan 1D hybrid.
I've never had anything since that could play the Mahler 2nd like that!! |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nanook
Bill Perkins loudspeakers of any ilk |
Besides building a significant number of Calgary's Radford S90s, he developed what is likely to be one of the most advanced aperiodic boxes of all time...
The PR2 uses his own woofer, and tweeter with an XO at 1200 Hz (not many 1" domes that can go that low)
dave |
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| Nanook |
The only ones I had seen were the bookshelf types. I think Perkins has been overlooked and deserves a little more recognition and respect (overall)
I just about bought a pair, but backed out because the driver had a tear in it and I was unsure of a repalcement |
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| nyatt |
| I second the Spica TC50's. Most people never heard them at their best. We used to put them on Rowland Model 7's in the store I used to work at. Basis TT, Graham arm, benz ruby cartridge, rowland consummate preamp, all cardas golden. Wow. |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nyatt
I second the Spica TC50's. |
I sold quite a few of those. A standout.
dave |
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| pinkmouse |
| A couple of 80's British budget classics, the Wharfedale Diamond, (only the Mk1, they went rapidly downhill with later versions), and the Tannoy Mercury, a great little floorstander that was my first experience of real hifi. |
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| jackinnj |
The Minimus 7 was subject of an article in several issues of Speaker Builder -- and they regularly went on sale at Radio Shack. Here's one suggested crossover modification from 1988 (another in 1991 put a Zobel on the woofer. One of the problems with the Minimus was that they were hardly "standardized" so mods had to be modded.
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| davidlzimmer |
| quote: | | Tannoy Mercury, a great little floorstander that was my first experience of real hifi. |
This may be a repeat but, my first experience in "Real HiFi' was Bozak, The Urban. They were huge, infinite baffles!
Ampex tape machine into McIntosh amp. I was hooked forever! |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jackinnj
Here's one suggested crossover modification |
That 1st one won't work very well. The inductor shunting the tweeter will roll the T off, but the 4.7 in series with the woofer is going to act as a HP at ~5k making the woofer largely redundant. Are you sure the cap shouldn't be on the tweeter leg?
dave |
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| planet10 |
And here is a pic of the Minimus 7.
dave |
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