| planet10 |
This option is settable in your User CP (control panel), but the default has been 15. In a move to test the hypothsis that fewer posts per page will help fight ballooning diyAudio traffic the default is going to be turned down.
Members may want to play with the settings and let us know, what number best works for you. As the data rolls in we will report on whether the hypotesis was correct.
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| AudioFreak |
| I've set a temporary hard limit for everyone of 10 posts per page. Sorry for the inconvenience. I hope to be able to change this back next week. |
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| ace3000_1 |
Heya guys, 10 works fine for me.
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| roibm |
I hate 10.
I am willing to pay a fee to get more. |
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| mooseydoom |
| I like seeing more posts per page, say 15-20. Although 10 makes a good default. So long as it can be increased in the settings, that's fine with me. |
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| Pedja |
I just can not see more than 10 posts per page.
Typing manualy address has not any effect (still 10 posts).
In my User CP, "Default Posts per Thread" stays at "Forum Default". When I change it to "Show Posts per Page" (?), it won't save it.
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| peranders |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pedja
I just can not see more than 10 posts per page.
Typing manualy address has not any effect (still 10 posts).
In my User CP, "Default Posts per Thread" stays at "Forum Default". When I change it to "Show Posts per Page" (?), it won't save it.
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Pedja, please read webmaster's statement a couple of posts above here. It's a hard limit of 10 posts at the moment. |
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| roibm |
what a great place to be...
I think 10 ppp and 10 tpp is too much. why don't you make it 5? or 3? |
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| fireman |
| quote: | Originally posted by AudioFreak
I've set a temporary hard limit for everyone of 10 posts per page. Sorry for the inconvenience. I hope to be able to change this back next week. |
I can't say that I love it but it does not bother me as much as I thought it would. If this has been done for the good of the DIY community, I'm all for it.
Keep up the good work guys. :cool: |
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| officeboy |
One thing that would really help save traffic esp among power forum surfers who have nothing better to do at work :xeye: is allow the posts in a thread to be posted newest first. It's very nice to have all the new posts stuck to the top, and to not have to go into a thread and then click for the last page.
Something I’ve used at other forums anyway.
Also attaching images is nice and all, but I wonder how much traffic (and drive space) that must use up. |
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| roibm |
| quote: | Originally posted by officeboy
Also attaching images is nice and all, but I wonder how much traffic (and drive space) that must use up. |
This is the point that generates quite some traffic I would say. Would be a good idea to have some sort of limited features for everybody and some special features for those willing to pay a small fee(showing their support for diya at the same time). I don't know what kind of fee would do tho... That's something the mods will have to agree on.
As about the LIFO thread model I can only disagree with. As a forum default I mean. Anyway, the VBB doesn't have it as a standard option as I know it. Could be that there is a hack for this... |
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| Matttcattt |
| quote: | Originally posted by officeboy
Also attaching images is nice and all, but I wonder how much traffic (and drive space) that must use up. |
Couldnt images be viewed externally, through a link from the post, like attached files are accessed? |
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| wuffwaff |
just connected to DIY again (can´t reach it from homeanymore) and tried for 5 minutes to reset the 10 posts per page until I found this thread.
I don´t really like the 10 posts per page and don´t really understand the reason behind this.
I would think it ok to keep as a default but it should be possible to change it.
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| Jason |
Just FYI, here is a snapshot of 2GB of traffic from yesterday. As you can see, attachments are the main source of bandwidth usage. Big pages with lots of attachments are a bandwidth hog. Dan is working on some innovative ways to keep the traffic down and restore things to normal.
1,005.66 MB, 24181 hits - /forums/attachment
471.45 MB, 42721 hits - /forums/showthread
155.89 MB, 8781 hits - /forums/forumdisplay
95.55 MB, 37603 hits - /forums/custom_avatars/avatar
42.87 MB, 4309 hits - /forums/t-
39.80 MB, 4815 hits - /
31.16 MB, 14055 hits - /graphics/lumenlab-logo
27.62 MB, 4397 hits - /forums/search
17.14 MB, 15427 hits - /graphics/christmas%20logo
15.57 MB, 1188 hits - /index.php?
12.50 MB, 1026 hits - /forums/f-
9.11 MB, 1225 hits - /forums/newreply
7.86 MB, 3504 hits - /graphics/spkr
7.85 MB, 6137 hits - /css/styles
7.52 MB, 3507 hits - /graphics/spkl
6.97 MB, 10037 hits - /forums/newthread
5.17 MB, 8549 hits - /forums/reply
5.16 MB, 547 hits - /forums/
3.50 MB, 13816 hits - /forums/vb_bullet
3.29 MB, 260 hits - /forums/index |
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| officeboy |
Maybe some way of converting images to links that will pop up in a new window? So that they don't just load every time a thread is viewed?
Or some kind of hide tag that will "fold open" with the picture in it and won't load the image till the “show” tag is clicked.
And example of what I mean by a hide tag is used here as “spoiler” tags.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthr...37&page=1&pp=20 |
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| roibm |
| quote: | Originally posted by officeboy
Maybe some way of converting images to links that will pop up in a new window? So that they don't just load every time a thread is viewed?
Or some kind of hide tag that will "fold open" with the picture in it and won't load the image till the “show” tag is clicked.
And example of what I mean by a hide tag is used here as “spoiler” tags.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthr...37&page=1&pp=20 |
That would be nice, just that what you think about the spoiler is not what it is actually.
The text within the spoiler is loaded all the time from the site, it is just not being displayed automatically.
While the behavior can be changed so that it loads the stuff dynamically from the website through some embedded iframe or a frame(and it will work very nice too), I don't think it would same that much traffic since it is not the text that generates the bulk of the traffic.
For the images, having a link for showing the attachment within the same window using some short javascript would be the best. Keep in mind, within the same window. I find it very annoying to have the image in a different window than the text that might describe what is in that image when the code to load the img from the server is pretty short and easy.
As for the avatars, I would kick them out immediately as they are ~20% of the text and I find that a lot. In one month there will be 3GB only for avatars. And the avaras are useless!
I might not be much of a use here @ diya from the electronic point of view but if you got some questions about anything db/programming/website, I think I can solve/"hack" anything, so it's up to you if you wanna ask. |
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| officeboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by roibm
The text within the spoiler is loaded all the time from the site, it is just not being displayed automatically.
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Yeah, I know that (I also do a bit of webwork myself), but what i meant was if the button could be hacked to include a bit of java that only loaded the image when clicked. That could save a lot of extra traffic.
Also what about a mirror system setup for images?
People could volunteer some server space and a round robin setup could be used to cycle through volunteered servers, eventually loading the image off somewhere else, or if no mirrored servers were available defaulting back to diyaudio.com's server. |
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| roibm |
| quote: | Originally posted by officeboy
Yeah, I know that (I also do a bit of webwork myself), but what i meant was if the button could be hacked to include a bit of java that only loaded the image when clicked. That could save a lot of extra traffic. |
Not only save traffic but make it faster too.
And it is straughtforward: instead of loading the attached pic, load blind.gif instead and using a anchor or a button(or whatever) set the img.src to the attached pic using javascript. |
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| fireman |
| quote: | Originally posted by roibm
As for the avatars, I would kick them out immediately as they are ~20% of the text and I find that a lot. In one month there will be 3GB only for avatars. And the avaras are useless!
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I personnally think that avatars are cool. :D I also think that we, as a community, must do our share to ensure that this site will be able to survive. As a first step, I have removed my avatar and I urge others to do the same.
Also, as I said previously, I'm not a big fan of 10 posts per page but I can live with it if that's going to have a positive impact on the bandwith used by this web site.
Let's all take a few steps to ensure that this wonderful resource lives on. |
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| AudioFreak |
| Avatars are no problem whatsoever. It's attachments I've got to work on. |
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| mbroker |
I find the 10 posts per page to be a minor annoyance, even less so if it significantly improves the bandwidth. But can we please list more than the next 5 pages of posts? It really sucks when one sorts the threads with the latest posts last and is on page 12 of 20..... This is particularly obnoxious in the members listing where, IIR, only the next 3 pages are available.
Wow, a Gigabyte per day in attachments! :eek: |
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| Matttcattt |
| I see the ten thread limit is gone... I have removed my avatar also. I agree with roibm, if possible, the image should be displayed on the same page as the thread. |
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| Jason |
Avatars are no problem - they are 1/20th of bandwidth currently. Perhaps there are ones on here that are not optimized properly, but it's not worth worrying about.
In this day and age, bandwidth is cheap, and only going to get cheaper. We thought we'd allocated enough (4x the current usage) for the new box, but I think the stats we had from our last one were off (probably because of my webalizer config settings) so we need more than we thought. There are also issues of hotlinking from other (chinese) websites. We're (read: AF ;) working on them.
Both AF and I am strongly against hurting the user experience to do something like save bandwidth. We will endevour to minimize *unneccesary* bandwidth usage (eg: someone loads a single page, with 50 posts, and it loads 20 100KB images = 2MB, and they didn't even look at any). That should make a huge difference.
Don't worry, we're on to it ;) |
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| peranders |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jason
There are also issues of hotlinking from other (chinese) websites. |
Is chinese servers slow? Is this a problem more than for the server owners or users? |
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| fireman |
Would it be possible to insert the "Go to first unread post" link in each forum main page. That would probably save some bandwidth too and make the "user experience" even more enjoyable :)
I read many very active threads and sometimes there will be more than a full page a new posts. If I click on the last page link, I "waste" this bandwidth as I have to go back 1 or 2 pages to pickup the thread were I left it last.
Having this option would bring me to the right place right away, saving both my time and some bandwith. |
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| peranders |
| You have this feature already. Just click on the small arrow icon at the left. |
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| Jason |
| quote: | Originally posted by peranders
Is chinese servers slow? Is this a problem more than for the server owners or users? |
Other forums pulling our images thru into their pages via image tags. So we cop the bandwidth, they don't. |
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| officeboy |
Maybe some kind of geocities type block would work for the hotlinking issue.
Only let images load if the referrer tag is correct. Or however they do that so that images can only load off of the main site.
Or some kind of image/forum attachment ID shuffle, but that might be messy with the DB. |
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| roibm |
| or attachments only for registered users... pretty easy too ;) |
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| peranders |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jason
Other forums pulling our images thru into their pages via image tags. So we cop the bandwidth, they don't. |
Jason, can't you stop hotlinking to diyaudio? |
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| fireman |
| quote: | Originally posted by peranders
You have this feature already. Just click on the small arrow icon at the left. |
:ashamed:
I guess instead of just staring at it, I should have clicked on it !!!
Gotta go :bawling: |
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| jcx |
| how about encouraging use of good compression and favoring the exchange of schematics and graphs which compress well, looking at my schematic images most are <50Kb with png compression, can you just set a image file size threshold for automatic download? - tif files are even a little beter for line drawings and anyone looking at US patents will have already loaded a free viewer plugin |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jcx
how about encouraging use of good compression and favoring the exchange of schematics and graphs which compress well, looking at my schematic images most are <50Kb with png compression, can you just set a image file size threshold for automatic download? - tif files are even a little beter for line drawings and anyone looking at US patents will have already loaded a free viewer plugin |
gif is usually the smallest format for drawings & scematics...
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| AudioFreak |
| Ok, we've made a number of changes and things are a little better now. I'm going to leave all the defaults as they are at the moment but I'm going to allow people to start using *some* larger posts / page settings. |
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| Matttcattt |
| quote: | Originally posted by AudioFreak
Ok, we've made a number of changes and things are a little better now. I'm going to leave all the defaults as they are at the moment but I'm going to allow people to start using *some* larger posts / page settings. |
I can only view 10 posts per page... :bawling: Cant I set it back to 50? Threads that were 5 pages are now 25. :dead: |
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| AudioFreak |
| The default is staying at 10 posts / page. You can edit your options in your User CP and change it. I've enabled between 5 and 25 posts / page in increments of 5. |
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| Matttcattt |
| quote: | Originally posted by AudioFreak
The default is staying at 10 posts / page. You can edit your options in your User CP and change it. I've enabled between 5 and 25 posts / page in increments of 5. |
Thanks. :D |
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