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Greeting from Kendrick Pavey, Director, Silver Stealth Cables - Click HERE for Original Thread
Silver Stealth
Hi Everyone

I'm pleased to join this DIY fraternity. Below I've attached an introduction that is probably also appropriate to this medium. A few other tidbits:

Since returning from the US in March 1999, I became heavily involved in Melbourne Audio Club. This is a great, active club which fosters many individual group interests. Come and visit us if you are ever in Melbourne (meetings every third Wed in Nudawading Council Offices - Willis Room). I quickly became the Equipment Convenor, and broadened this group over the two year tenure to include visits behind the scenes at Imax, Village Roadshow, Newmarket Recording Studios and others. It was a hoot. These days I am Vice President for the club, and of course, I keep a healthy DIY interest on the side.

Re my system, basically it's tube electronics (SE 12AU7 tri-triode pre - dual mono, modified Contan KT88, now SE-PP, Camelot digititus, Gallo speakers and of course all my own cables - interconnects, digital cable, power cords and speaker cable.

I particularly like Jazz in its many forms, mostly upbeat, but also innovative standards. Blues, funk, acoustic, and world - the latter growing on me in my old age! Undeniably I'm drawn into the multi channel arena also with DVDAs and music DVDs too. I made my own Peerless sub with two passive radiators which rocks out on these types of media.

Anyway, as you've probably gathered, my passion for audio is deeply rooted, and I'll attempt to answer questions both related to and not related to cables as they appear. Hope to make some new friends and learn some things along the way too via this forum.

Cheers, Kendrick.

***********************

I just wanted by way of introduction to talk briefly about myself and the new range of cables Hugh and I will be introducing to the Printed Electronics website. First of all, a little bit about me....

I am a self confessed audio nut for a start, and it was during my 1 year overseas assignment to the US with Ford in 1998 that triggered this insatiable appetite for audio knowledge and music quality.

At high school my best subject was percussion for which I scored 91/100 as a sixth additional subject. I was also head of instrumental music in that year. I went to Melbourne University and completed a BE Elec (Hons) and BSc, finishing in mid 1993.

Since then I have been working at Ford the last 8 or so years, and as much as I love fast cars it's audio that really ignites my passion and energy. Most of my spare time is either spent visiting audio friends, concocting audio experiments or just kicking back with a great Aussie wine and relaxing to the tunes of post modern jazz, blues, acoustic or a good movie. Basket case, maybe...it works for me. Oh yeah, and I am trying to squeeze an MBA in there somewhere too.

I have known Hugh for some three years now and we have developed a great friendship. I respect him enormously and vouch that he is a true gentleman. His knowledge on all things amplifier wise is astounding and as you guys have probably gathered, world class. His dedication to customer satisfaction goes beyond what most companies consider being 'consumer focused'.

What I hope to bring to the partnership is a much overlooked area of audio that is unfortunately diluted by many products that are sub-par or way overpriced. I know - many cables claim the world and don't deliver. I hope to prove that at least in my case, this is wrong!

The raw materials I have chosen are top quality, the assembly process simple and the results speak for themselves. Just like the Aksa. Best of all the synergy between the products is for real - we've tried it and use it ourselves.

As I said to Don Bilger, Ford Audiophile Club, MI, anything that is in the signal path has a significant influence on the final sonic result - to ignore interconnects would be at one's sonic peril. I have seen systems where thousands have been spent on gear and the components hooked up with 'chicken wire'...ye gads!

Anyway, enough dribbling from me. I hope to get to know you well as the days unfold and believe there's a significant improvement awaiting you, should you be prepared to try the Silver Stealth Cables.

Please contact me directly for the full review from Don Bilger, more detailed product information and a newsletter I've sent recently to existing Silver Stealth Customers.

Thanks for your time, and enjoy your music.
HarryHaller
We now return to our program. I build my own cables as do many on this forum. This is a DIY forum. Please don't take advantage of it for comercial puposes. I believe there are manufactures forums at http://www.harmonicdiscord.com/
Ren Hoek
no spam for me, man, I just ate. :rolleyes:

Ren
Silver Stealth
May I respond to this?

This is an introduction section. Telling people about me and what I do is a fair enough intro, no?

Secondly I went looking and couldn't find any rules regarding content of notes. Someone might care to point these out to me for future reference.

I think I have something to offer this forum, perhaps you might like to give me a chance. Like you, I am a music lover at heart, a keen DIY'r, passionate audiophile and musician to boot.

Cheers, Kendrick.
mrfeedback
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jam
Another international incident brewing. Where's Jocko?
Jocko Homo
Looks like this one is off to a rousing start without me. The King of Feedback thinks it is spam, so I will defer to his judgement. I'll let him deal with it.

Jocko
Peter Daniel
I didn't know Ford makes fast cars.;)
jam
Kendrick,

The only way you are going to get out of this is to publish some DIY cable designs. On second thoughts that might not be such a good idea since the TDR twins Harry and Jocko will be looking over your shoulder, and we all know that they are tough to please.

Jam
mrfeedback
Hello Kendrick, and a warm welcome to Diyaudio.

Don't worry about the Monty Python lyrics - just a joke response to Ren Hoek's comment.
Good to see another fellow Aussie commercially involved with high end audio.
Perhaps you should post those reviews to a web page somewhere, so we can learn some more.

Jam is correct in that you now need to tell us some more of what you have cooked up, and how and why it is better than other interconnects that are available commercially.
This forum is usually a tree hugging hippy, feel good, sharing caring sort of thing, and we are all interested in new and interesting developments and knowlege.

So over to you.......

Regards, Eric.

You and Jocko are most welcome to call me Eric - Feedback Electronics is my day job business name, hence 'mrfeedback'.
mrfeedback
Hey Jocko, BTW did you do any measurements on 25 pair phone cable yet ?
If so, I am sure we are all interested in the results !.

Regards, Eric.
planet10
Kendrick,

Welcome. Don't let the broadside discourage you... i thot your intro was informative, but i expected some comments on the commercial aspects of your post (the singing and dancing was a bit of a surprise) -- you have to be subtle, sneak stuff in when it is on-topic.

If Hugh will work (and drink beers) with you, you gotta have something to contribute.

dave
HarryHaller
"This forum is usually a tree hugging hippy, feel good, sharing caring sort of thing, and we are all interested in new and interesting developments and knowlege."!!!???? I know Jocko and I slip into rare but subtle humor once in a great while but this is just over the top! How can you live with yourself man? Have you no shame!

As for 25 pair wire, what on earth whould you want 25 speakers for?

Last but not least you know what goes great with a SPAM and Vegamite omlet.....
Brett
You mean like one of these?

Bwaaaaaaa....bwaaaaaaaaa..bwa...bub...bub...bub
HarryHaller
I sold my last bike to buy a turntable. I only fell off the turntable once. If they had an Olympic event for handlebar dismounts I would have gotten the GOLD. I once made a friend crash from laughing so hard watching me crash. It still hurts to think about it.
Has anyone else ever done a 50MPH cartwheel?
Brett
The only way you could cartwheel off that <i>thing</i> at 50mph, would be if you rode it out the back of a C130 at altitude. Probably a suitable use for it. :p

Fun with TT's.
When I first got my Gyrodeck years ago, some friends came around to have a look at it. They'd spent the afternoon cooking with their friend Alice B Toklas, and then spent the entire evening mesmerised by the spinning gold weights eating my chips. Whilst they never fell off the TT, they did fall over a bit. My TT light was an 211 tube with just the filaments driven, and the image of them in it's glow still makes me laugh.

My current ride is one of these
HarryHaller
It would go 65 with the stock rear sprocket which is fast enough to hurt yourself in the woods. And my father flew C-130s so don't be talking bad about that fine aircraft. Actually my first bike was a Yamaha, shipped back from Japan in pieces in several boxes marked motorcycle parts. That's how I learned to read schematics
and work on motorcycles.
Brett
yer scoot, merely 'taking the ****' in the Aussie tradition. No offence mean't. Dunno where you got the idea I don't like C130's though. One of the great aircraft. I've always loved 'planes, ever since I was a small boy, and started doing Aero Eng at Uni, swapping to electronics later. I'd love to skydive out the back of a C130.

<b>It would go 65 with the stock rear sprocket which is fast enough to hurt yourself in the woods.</b>

True enough. When I get my new dirtbike next summer, WR400, it's potentially a lot faster than 65mph, but I bet my average off-road speeds a <b>lot</b> slower. I want it to have some fun in the scrub nearby, but also to sharpen my sliding ability and improve my riding on the road. More of a creaky demon, than a crusty one.
Bill F.
P.T. Barnum said, "I don't care what they say about me in the papers as long as they spell my name right!"

Hey Silver Stealth,

Welcome to the forum!

Your intro thread keeps popping up on the main board. Even though you didn't come to advertise, you just gotta be loving the exposure!

And now, an excerpt from "P.T. Barnum's Two-step Guide to Commercial Exposure that Just Won't Quit"

Step 1: Drop an innocuous comment about your products on the DIYAudio intro forum. This stimulates a frenetic salvo from the hair-trigger lunatic fringe. (No offense intended y'all--you know who you are ;) ) (None taken, I'm sure.) Some mysterious form of smoke or pheremone signal goes up, and partygoers swarm to the carrion, accompanied by music, dancing, and foamy froth. Pretty soon the party settles down. They'll get chatting amongst themselves, slapping each other upside the head, and telling motorbike stories.

Step 2: Your job is done--or delegated, rather. Just sit back and watch the business roll in!

For what it's worth, I'm glad I could contribute. I'll consider a complete set of interconnects payment in full.

Bill
HarryHaller
I do not have a hair trigger....... Good luck in the wire biz. Last count I believe there were about 500 companies selling audio wire and about a dozen DIY wire sites.


"an innocuous comment about your products"

More over the top comedy. Whatever happened to subtlety in comedy. The only thing he didn't do was post pictures. Hugh Dean is a class act and has been fairly low key on this forum..... hint hint, nudge,nudge! I have never complained about him.

http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/cables.htm
Bill F.
501, actually.

I haven't bragged it up, but I've gone public with my own company--Tantric Audio. We sell audio mains wiring primarily to enlightened electrical contractors.

I feel justified in posting on this forum because we also publish a free Do-It-Yourself guide to rewiring your grid connection with our special 220V stock. If you're an ambitious believer, we also sell a cobalt laminate core pole transformer and 500+ V high-tension stock for as far upstream as you want to pursue your passion. Of course, all this comes with thorough directions for executing the swap at night when no one's looking and local usage is at a minimum.

In our hermeneutically sealed clean room, our wire is custom drawn through the carefully calibrated gaps between the teeth of our team of vestal virgins. We use only the purest high-helium platinum with a proprietary butter quenching process. The results, as you can imagine, are rich bass and light, airy highs. A petroleum jelly dialectric lends transparency and smmoothness like you've never heard.

If you ever visit our website, be sure to download the Sanscrit plugin so you can read our manuals.

Bill
mrfeedback
Hello Hoary and All,

"Last but not least you know what goes great with a SPAM and Vegamite omlet..... "

Yep, a sunday morning BBQ breakfast with friends of a SPAM and Vegimite omlette with Crocodile steak, washed down with a Fosters, sure beats a Big Breakfast McCrappy meal deal anyday.

According to MY taste, that is.

The only bikes that I would be seen riding would be my Custom hand made (= NOT Japanese) road and velodrome racing thoroughbreds.
Something about having a motor to do the work that takes away the pleasure of the singing tyres and wind in your face.
Getting both tyres sliding midcorner on the local traffic roundabout on the way to work every morning, just gives you that good to be alive feeling, and the mind clear and alert for the rest of the day - The home trip also builds a healthy thirst.

Harry, by the sounds of it don't even try to ride a fixed wheel machine - it would probably have you straight over the bars before you can blink. Much safer for you to take a bus. :)

Kendrick, please feel welcome to drop me a line (and obligation free evaluation examples of course) if you are seeking a positively biased reviewer over here in the west.

Bill F., where do you find "a team of vestal virgins" ?. Any spare ?.

Regards, Eric.
HarryHaller
I had heard that the aussies would eat anything....... My bicycle days in my long past youth resulted in a boken arm, a broken collar bone, and stitches in my face. These were three seperate incidents! Never did any thing that good on a motorcycle. Is it true that American beer is like making love in a canoe?
HarryHaller
Jocko and I are going to start a company called Tantrum Audio....
mrfeedback
"I had heard that the aussies would eat anything...."
Most of us don't like McDonalds or KFC.
BTW, Kangaroo fillets are pretty good, as are Camel steaks, and Yabbies, and fresh reef fish, and .......

"My bicycle days in my long past youth resulted in a boken arm, a broken collar bone, and stitches in my face. These were three seperate incidents!"
Harry, maybe you should be wearing protective clothing when you plug your soddering iron in !.

"Is it true that American beer is like making love in a canoe?"
I don't know because I've not bothered to try either.
I'm quite happy with our local reds, a grass fed steak, and SWMBO.

"Tantrum Audio" - I thought you two were already in partnership !.:)

Regards, Aussie and don't you forget it, Eric.
HarryHaller
Gee.......... I though it was the aussies who said "Its ********** close to water."
jam
Here we go again!
HarryHaller
I don't drink beer and I haven't been on a bike for years........

You better ask your buddy Scott if I am a digital interface expert. Jocko says I'm not.
AKSA
I have to thank everyone for giving Kendrick such a baptism of fire; but it's a pleasure to see that deep down youse guys are so friendly......

Kendrick is interested in effectively marketing his wires, and more strength to him, and all publicity is good publicity, and who knows?? He might just sell a truckload of his Silver Stealth - they are very good, I can vouch for that.

Interesting that there are so many bikers out there. And who said Ford didn't make fast cars? That's crazy, what about the GT40 from years ago? In Oz, Ford is about to introduce a 290 bhp turbo 245 CID six in a FAMILY CAR. I believe this will be fast....

Recently I test rode a Honda VTX 1800 V twin. I have never ridden a motorcycle whose acceleration was consistent across all gears like this machine. Bloody thing's a cruise missile! Has anyone ridden the latest GSX Suzuki 1400? I'm interested as it has balance sharft technology and pulls strongly from 1000rpm.

Harry, I'm low key because I'm a one man band, and too many customers is actually a difficulty, because I offer tech backup to all of them, and it's wearing me out....... :D

Now, where was that crazy Kilowatt guy discussing his water cooled amp? I just love the idea of liquid cooling an amp, even though it's not tree-hugging stuff. Class A becomes very reliable with water cooling, and if you buy the pipes in the ground, heatsinking is never a problem. I had a Class AB Crescendo for a couple of years with water cooling. Used a dishwasher pump for circulation, and IF you got all the air bubbles out, it never made a sound. :)

Kendrick, you've had your drubbing in the river - welcome to the group!

Cheers,

Hugh

www.printedelectronics.com
Brett
Jeez, I didn't think we were hard on him at all. It was very friendly I thought. Eric even sang him a welcome song.

Oh, yeah,...um,...Kendrick, welcome.....um....I s'pose. :D

<b> Ford and fast cars</b>
That's often a mutually exclusive statement, but I've been in a few XR6's and XR8's and they're a lot of fun. Especially the utes. Trouble is, here in Oz, the perception of a Falcon is taxi. Good honest reliable (well...) car, but doesn't do a lot to stir the blood. I have a Fairmont Ghia wagon.

<b>what about the GT40 from years ago?</b>

Really a race car from the Sixties, so doesn't count. The Cosworth Sierra would be a better example, as you could actually buy one of them if you lived in UK/Europe.

<b>In Oz, Ford is about to introduce a 290 bhp turbo 245 CID six in a FAMILY CAR.</b>

Didn't Chrysler do that with the Charger in the 70's? :D With nary a puffer to be seen, and that sweet roar of six DCOE throats inhaling. A 4 litre six with a turbo and 290hp should be very lightly tuned, 0.5-0.6 bar of boost probably. I wonder what it'll be able to do when fully tuned (1.4 bar?), but still road legal? Four hundred hp is in sight. Vroom.....
Once my horns are finished, I might go looking for a Centura, as I have a 265 I can get for free, and two small Roots blowers in the shed. Sleeper from hell. Good winter project I think.

<b>Recently I test rode a Honda VTX 1800 V twin</b>

Hondas are nice scoots, and that 1800 should go like a train. Was it smooth or did the motor shake like a Harley? If you get a chance, ride a Valkyrie. I got off it giggling like an idiot it was so much fun. Hard to beleive it's a naked Wing.

Also got to ride a Honda SP1 about a month back. For a roadbike, it was dynamically as near as dammit to perfect. Pulled hard everywhere, just harder with increasing revs, so much so it was difficult to keep the front down, even moving off the lights. Takin' it out scratching was sheer bliss, stable and easy to throw around, even over **** rural roads at not quite legal velocities. Thought I might get my elbow down for the first ime, but no.
And the sound......

<b>Has anyone ridden the latest GSX Suzuki 1400? I'm interested as it has balance sharft technology and pulls strongly from 1000rpm.</b>

Its basically the old oil colled GSXR motor bored and stroked a bit, so the shaft would be handy to smooth it out, but my old Gixer would pull off the lights in 5th from just above idle, and was only a bit vibey between 4500-5500rpm. I haven't ridden the 1400, but I did have a GSXR1100J for 12 years, putting 300k on it. This is the Chev V8 of bike motors. Keep it full of good oil, like Mobil1 or better, not the **** the dealers put in at service, and the motors go forever. Mine hadn't had the head off it when I sold it, but still had good compression, and smoked the rear miles up the road on our last ride. The rest of the bike looks like an updated version of the late 70's early 80's GSX's, but with modern suspension, brakes and handling. Looks like an excellent useful and useable bike, both one or two up. Next time I'm near a dealer, I might have to cadge a ride on one.

Cheers
Jason
Greeting Kendrick,

Don't let this trick of taking your post as far off topic as humanly possible fool you. Though, this would be as good a place as any to turn a post on its head.

FWIW I ride a <a href="http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/05639/">CBR600</a> all day every day.

(I will now go back to regular scheduled programming of not reading the forum for weeks on end)
Jocko Homo
And how the average punter doesn't care about what parts are in his system.......(going back a few weeks here, folks).......

RatShack claims on their commercials every night on the baseball game:
............uses nitrogen air filled foam for theater quality sound. You might think helium would be a good choice, but it didn't sound as good."

You can't get comedy that funny just any old place. Only at RatShack.

Jocko
Brett
<b>uses nitrogen air filled foam </b>

Um....isn't air about like 80% nitrogen anyway? Perhaps they mean like they take the oxygen out, so it's like......um.....oxygen free dielectric. Wow just like oxygen free copper!

OFD + OFC means super musi-cal-ity. Catchy jingle.

<b>You might think helium would be a good choice, but it didn't sound as good." </b>

Not many people actually know this, but this type of cable was first used on an Alvin and the Chipmunks album.


Glad to see we're back on topic.

Brett........where's my nitrous oxide?
mrfeedback
Getting off subject again...... :)

What does nitrous oxide do to the sound of YOUR hifi Brett ?.
Makes mine sound like it's got a wah wah pedal in it !.

BTW I can still hear the cogs and wheels turning over from here.
Any other thought experiments coming to mind ?
Got those Tripath modules yet ?

Many regards, Eric.

FYI - Brett and I had a long and happy and interesting phone conversation the other day - It's a pity Oz is so big !
Jocko Homo
We know the difference, but you don't think the marketing weenies at RatShack do. Obviously, they view the rest of the world on their level.

Guess they were on the spacecraft with all the hair dressers and telephone sanitizers.
AKSA
Jocko,

"Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz smiled very slowly. This was done not so much for effect, but to see if he remembered the sequence of muscle movements......."

Did you know Douglas Adams died of heart failure at 52 last year in the UK?

A pity. Marvellous book that one. I'm really pleased it receives such good press worldwide. And you Sir, you have taste......

Cheers,

Hugh
mrfeedback
Where's Kendrick ?.
Did we frighten him away ? :D
Still keen for some of his DIY cable designs. :D

Eric.
Jocko Homo
Hugh:

Harry will be offended that you didn't compliment him too. He will just have to get over it.

Rumor is that he had a heart attack seeing what Disney was planning for the movie. [joke]

42s to you,

Jocko
planet10
Jocko,

I just love that hat of yours. So i had to go dig one up of me with a favorite "hat". The picture is a bit dated (30 yrs! -- i had hair still) but the attitude is still with me.

dave
Brett
dave,

you sorta look familiar. Where's Jay?
dice45
Kendrick,

welcome on this place! :) and please don't get discouraged from the bad vibrations and self-importance demonstrated in this thread. Ignore them, take the good vibrations, also from other threads :)
quote:
posted by HarryHaller: Jocko and I are going to start a company called Tantrum Audio....
:mad: and you seem to be proud of that. The spirit emerging from many of your posts indicates you both could be well qualified for that. Throwing tantrums. Downtalk. Discouraging. Dismantling self-respect.
quote:
posted by Brett:Jeez, I didn't think we were hard on him at all. It was very friendly I thought.
You thought. :mad: Me, well, me felt sick reading that. Felt even more sick when i read on further and found the crowd was ignoring Kendrick after slapping him and instead caressing the own own ego. An elaborated way to show a man his lack of importance and respect.
Felt sick seing that. Jason, Grey, your opinion?

Bernhard
HarryHaller
Dice 45, I am sorry that you feel this way. My attempts at humor have been taken too seriously. I am glad to help with thoughtful questions and often receive thanks for such. Part of the nature of this forum is for learning. When wrong advice and outright nonsense is posted, the poster is fair game. I have been corrected, second guessed, and lampooned on numerous ocassions and I am still here. I felt that using a DIY forum to sell commercial products was an abuse of the forum. Mr. Pass and Mr. Dean don't abuse it in this way and why should anyone else. Maybe Kedrink was more interested in selling wire than contributing to knowlege GIVEN in this forum.
mrfeedback
Hello Bernard and Hoary, I don't think any of us took any of this too seriously, indeed notice the way the thread quickly went way off subject.
I have to say that I agree with Harry's comments and conclusions.
quote:
The raw materials I have chosen are top quality, the assembly process simple and the results speak for themselves.
.....and I'll attempt to answer questions both related to and not related to cables as they appear.
Lets post a whole heap of cable queries and see what happens !. :)

Eric.
AKSA
I say this because I've been a member of the Joenet for some years now, and this forum is much less earnest, and shows more of a sense of humor, which I value.

I thought the response to Kendrick (who's a real nice guy, very sincere, dedicated to audio, definitely NOT a profiteer!) was a little tough, but then came to see that much of the response was in jest. I laughed like a drain at the 'spam' song - I'm quite sure Palin and Chapman would have too, and I think maybe Kendrick as well. ;)

I think I speak for most of us in welcoming Kendrick very sincerely. He has much to add.

As Bernhard says, there is always ego stroking and those who seek to put down others. What can we expect? We are human, and self-interest drives us all........:p

On matters commercial. It's tough out there, and you are only as good as your last ten sales. So you have to keep pushing. I don't use the forum to generate sales, but I admit to putting my website address on my posts so people can have a gander at related material, arguably of interest to some. In this sense, I guess you could say I use the website for marketing; very different, but important nonetheless. Among a bunch of sceptical DIYs, marketing is always the necessary first step, and I make no bones about learning from this forum. I'd even admit to using it as an information resource. Heck, people like Harry and Syl and Sonnya know more about SS than I do. The audio trade is so complex that we'd be fools if we said we can't learn from others; I particularly value the comments on matters technical (I still think its a !@#$ cascode, Harry, since signal goes into the base, the current is shared, the emitters are conjoined, and the signal comes out of a collector on the other side. The upper base is cleverly used as a feedback node; the result of this is huge OLG! :D ) and I don't see evidence of any nastiness at all, which kills forums stone dead for weeks at a time.

Cheers,

Hugh

www.printedelectronics.com
HarryHaller
As usual you are a class act and have a sense of humor as well. Lets see two transistors with joined emitters, input signal in the base of one, feedback signal in the base of the other, yep looks like a diff amp to me. The NAD circuit has a large gain due to two gain stages and the use a current source load for the second gain stage. As two gentleman (or maybe 1.001 according to GreyR) we will have to agree to disagree on the pedigree of this circuit.

H.H.
dice45
Harry and Jocko
(and anyone who could feel adressed)

i had my asbestos already donned for my last post as i stand by what i said. :mad: For the record: IMO your technical contributions to this forum are utterly valuable and in most cases helpful and obvioulsy intended to help (and i would not like to miss them :) ). If a bit ego-caressing comes within the package, no problem and if there is fun with it, even better :) (i mean fun, not insider jokes keeping the rest of the community stuck in mystery :( ).

However, spontaneous responses from you both concerning new ideas, projects, methods, lifestyles, going pro, whatever, were not positive IMO. They were not enthusing, encouraging, giving hints how to find work-arounds for traps, they were rather discouraging, drafting a doomy situation around said traps, intending to stop. Dismantling self-confidence: talking down other person's universities and schools and teachers and university of today in general. :(
Sorry folks, but that is how i perceived it, from more than just this thread.

There is a certain thread you will remember where a lot of derogatory remarks about universities were made and bootscamp trainees and so on. Gosh, a lot of those bootscamp trainees are current members of this forum. Yes, i too participated in this thread because i too harbour a redundant lack of satifaction with some, not all university-related topics. But i thought all the time, man, do i tell them in detail which sort of education i received?, no, rather i would admit to have joined the sadomaso (or whatever) community. And, reading the thread with some weeks in between, i could slap myself for participating, for not having resisted as i initially intended.

Not that you weren't right with your complaints (from your own perspective) but did it help anyone in this forum except yourself? Methinks, no. Methinks, this falls into the offensive/corrosive truth category.

Please do not take my words as offense or too literal, i am using thick paint here to make understood what i mean.

Folks, i like this forum very much. I like it because it is differing from other usual forums, by having been a happy, enthusing, mutally helpful and respectful place so far. I want it to stay that way. Do you want that, too?

For this constructive spirit is essential. Utterly essential everyday, every post.
Because few posters can mess a place totally up within short.
So please adorn your extraordiary technical competence and experience with some social competence. A checklist will help:
* will my post help the adressee?
* is the post specificly answering the question?
* will it contribute some knowledge of common interest?
- - - - -
* will it hurt adresse's or lurker's feelings?
* will it dismantle self-confidence of the readers (subconsciously/delayed)?
* will it generate an insider/outsider separation and does it keep a majority stuck in mystery?

In case any question below the dashed line is yes, don't post. That simple.
I do believe that asking the questions, having them as a TSR program in tha back of the mind helps us a lot. :)

Corrosion of good manners and mutual respect starts innocently, slowly, having a depot effect, leading to mental pollution not senseable at 1st. But then the people get more and more annoyed and the exponential curve describing mudslinging and namecalling activities ceases to be almost horizontal ...

I want to make my friend (who is very reluctant to join) wrong who said "can you tell how this forum differs from other forums, it differs not and will end up like the other forums within short." Do you want help me with that?

Hugh,
you have been on the JoeNet far longer than me (and i bowled out for quite a while, unable to stand the flames of that time), do you want to have such flames here in a not so distant while?

All,
have a look at www.audioannex.com if you want to have a coarse idea of where said exponential curve can lead to. When i joined it as 48th or so member about 4 weeks after it had been founded, It had a mildly bantering atmosphere, sometimes name calling but always very funny and friendly. It was occupied by "professional mudslingers" but as they kept a low profile at 1st, it was a pleasant thing for folks enjoying witty language. But soon it turned into a screamy loony bin, it took not more than two months for that. Most interesting people fled, only the mud wrestlers with the most stable stomachs stayed, yelling at each other in front of an empty audience (member count is frozen at about 150 and who knows how much have left w/o saying bye like me, being still subscribed to keep the own moniker occupied). Admitted, my personal POV, i am still observing it occasionally.

Go there with an empty stomach, please, for your own good.

While i am typing this, the radio station plays a LvB piano sonata of mediocre quality (famous pianist, of course) and too reminds me of the wonderful discussions with wonderful people about music and its interpretations i had at the AAnnex.. I miss them so much i could cry.
Jocko Homo
I do not have an ego that needs stroking. Just a warped sense of humour.

I stand by my comments on the poor state of universities. It is not the graduates, but the zoo keepers of said institutions that I have a problem with. They DO NOT teach the fundamentals necessary to analyze and solve a real world engineering problem.

I will gladly retrain anyone who wants to be. Save them the bother of having to spend most of their adult life learning what they should have learned long ago.

Jocko
HarryHaller
Well Jocko I guess we both have been spanked on the forum today. I guess we will have to give up our sense of humor and stick to carefully worded suggections on heatsinks and fet matching for beginers. Good thing none of these poets had to spend any time with us in person or tears would flow. I guess maybe we can still mix it up with the Aussies which seem to be a bit sturdier than the average forum member. I guess I will have to resist picking on those whose ask the same question for the 5th time in one week.

H.H. (hurt and humiliated)
GRollins
Back in the days when we had remotes at all the campuses across the state, there was a guy who would sign off every night at 22:00 (they weren't 24/7 like we are here) with the words "Good night, Saigon."
For years, he did this. He thought it was hilarious. No one else ever figured out why he thought he was so funny. Perhaps it was from a movie everyone else missed. Perhaps it was from a book none of the rest of us read. Who knows? Even if it was from some identifiable source, surely the joke was stale after the 500th time.
Surely?
Yet this fellow kept doing the same thing every night, thinking he was being the life of the party. What passes for funny to some people is not to others...for any number of reasons. Could be that they weren't in on the origin, in the 'you had to be there' sense. Maybe it just wasn't funny to begin with. Lots of times people simply get a kick out of running counter to the grain, and--for lack of a better term--call what they're doing 'humor.'
One of the things that occured to me along the way was that we have no idea how long these various postings may last. We--myself included--tend to think of this as a semi-realtime conversation. Almost as good as picking up the phone to ask a friend a question. The thing is that it's a party line, and someone is taking down everything we say (perhaps we need a Miranda warning every time we post...). Now, technology being what it is, perhaps the Web will be obsolete in five years and all our words will be as smoke in the wind.
But what if the Web lasts?
What if my University of Audio metaphor were to actually fly?
Would you want to pull a reference text off the shelf to check a formula and end up wasting an hour picking your way though 65 different motorcycle pictures to find what you were looking for?
Not that I'm not prone to throwing in a few off-topic things myself...I freely admit it. Stuff like that keeps (I hope) the site from being dry and boring. But really now, if off-topic things show your human side, what do your off-topic comments reveal about you?
Think about it.

Grey

P.S.: Though it's not my site (it's Jason's...I'm just the moderator), I'm not comfortable with posters advertising their commercial product. That's not to say that we don't have people here who make a living at audio, but most of them manage to strike a fine balance between pushing their wares and being helpful. In my opinion, Nelson and Hugh manage to get it about right. There's another member, whose name I won't mention (not the fellow who started this thread), who never posts unless he can figure out a way to slip in a plug for his stuff. Once you're onto him, it's obvious.
When someone comes on too strong, it's usually enough for one or perhaps two people to say something. Incessant harping on the matter gets to be a bit much.
Variac
I vote it was a pretty commercial message and deserved some negative comment. I can't see anyone coming to any other opinion if they read the thing. It wasn't a big deal, and the topic veered off until mr. dice brought it up again with his lecture.

Better to have let it alone
dice45
Grey,
agreed with every word.

Mark,
quote:
until mr. dice brought it up again with his lecture.
Ouch. Pleading guilty for smartassing, admitted. Original post: did you observe i was taking sides on that issue? AFAIR, i avoided the issue. However, I do not think what followed was justified, was ok. If you re-read my posts, you certainly get the concept.

After having said what i have to say and hoping it soaked in a bit, I admit, i too sensed the original post as too commercial.

Harry and Jocko,
Intention to say what i said. No intention to humiltiate or to offend you both personally. If this happened and you feel hurt, I apologize. But maybe you somehow manage to see my point (atleast partially, i do not claim to be 100% right).
Maybe after it soaked in some more time. :)
Do me a favour, think about it.

Repeat: no offense meant. And, stick with your kinky humour, so do i :) BTW, i know methods to prepare a glueing surface in a way ensuring that pizza glued to the roof of the mouth remains there permanently. Works with PTFE, should work with pizza and flesh too. :)
jgwinner
quote:
H.H. (hurt and humiliated)

Harry:

Speaking in part from the other thread, this does bother me :(. I mean, I sure hope you continue posting! Disagreements are fine, that's a necessary consequence to diversity. There is nothing wrong with discourse, even if it gets loud sometimes.

Thank you (seriously),
mrfeedback
After looking at some of the chest thumping and brow beating, and sledging going on other forums, I'm appalled, so much so that I can not be bothered to trawl through the egoism in order to gain usefull insights, and share my knowlege as appropriate.

So I repeat
quote:
This forum is usually (and ought to be) a tree hugging hippy, feel good, sharing, caring sort of thing, and we are all interested in new and interesting developments and knowlege.

With the help of the sensible ones amongst us (Bernard, Grey, Hugh and others I missed), let us all keep it that way.

I trust now that the two main offenders are suitably humbled.

We still have not heard any more from Kendrick - perhaps after his treatment here he has formed the opinion that this forum is no better that than the others, and probably rightly so - perhaps Hugh can encourage him back.

Just some of my thoughts on the subject, Eric.

Regards, Eric.
quote:
I guess maybe we can still mix it up with the Aussies which seem to be a bit sturdier than the average forum member.

Yep, Jocko and Hoary, but you will need to get up a whole lot earlier in the mornings to catch us out.
Don't forget we Aussies stick together like glue - you have been warned !.
AudioFreak
quote:
Originally posted by GRollins
There's another member, whose name I won't mention (not the fellow who started this thread), who never posts unless he can figure out a way to slip in a plug for his stuff. Once you're onto him, it's obvious.

Grey,
I too have noticed this individual. In fact, I believe that i've notice two or three individuals who seem to meet this criteria.... perhaps it's some kind of conspiracy as they all advertise very similar amplifier products....
HarryHaller
Dear fellow rocket scientist,

If someone tells you how to build his commercial interconnects you won't have much reason to buy them, right Kendrick?

http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/cables.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temp...maudio/diy.html

http://www.homegrownaudio.com/wire.htm

Mr. Feedback:

"I trust now that the two main offenders are suitably humbled."

Jam and whose the other one?
Jocko Homo
It is my understanding that said procedure alters the surface of the PTFE, and you are actually glueing to that new compound.

Not sure I want you trying that anywhere on me. I've taken part in enough medical experiments to last a long time.

Jocko
HarryHaller
How do they get teflon to stick to no stick pans and posters to stick to the subject? And speaking of sticky:

"Don't forget we Aussies stick together like glue"
jam
Don't you guys in Texas go to sleep sometime?
macka
Hey,

Harry,


Free diy information.. and a fun thing to do one night..

Thanks for the links re Diy cable posts, how about this for an idea.

Previously I make up some diy Geortz cable rather than pay silly prices from Parts Connection (now belly up)

All you need is to is source appropiately thin copper foil, cut it into two 5 mm stripes say 60 cm long, and then wrap each with PTFE plumbers tape and bind two strips face to face with more tape and terminate the ends to your favourite rca plugs.

I could not pick the difference b/n the diy and the real thing!

Suggest the plugs and sockets may make a bigger difference and best results come if you do without them.

(I did this a few years ago when I was running the Audio Action DIY group at the Melbourne Audio Club/pre Kendrick's arrival).

However, I like many of us I have found true class A a bit more of a challenge and I prefer to leave the knitting and weaving to the women.

regards

macka.

Ps I'm waiting for my Elna Silmics to arrive for my Aleph 2's, thanks for the hint.
dice45
quote:
Originally posted by Jocko Homo
It is my understanding that said procedure alters the surface of the PTFE, and you are actually glueing to that new compound.

Not exactly. But true is: the molecular structure of the PTFE is altered by partially replacing fluor with sodium and polymer chains are not that long and 3D-noded anymore; consequently the surface energy is increased and the stuff becomes gluable with epoxy or urethane glue. Etched surfaces are dark brown. Always a good idea for gluing plastics is to grind the surface to a fibrous sort of roughness with ultra-coarse emory paper before. So it is with PTFE.
quote:
Not sure I want you trying that anywhere on me. I've taken part in enough medical experiments to last a long time.
You are not sure?. :confused: You do not even want to store the mixture within your proximity, tellya.
The etching bath consists of 23g of metallic sodium dissolved in a mixture of 128g naphtaline and 1000ml tetrahydrofurane . Mnjammnjam :)

When i need PVC glue, i buy it fresh and discard the rest, no matter how much this rest is and how expensive. PVC glue also contains tetrahydrofurane
AudioFreak
and you just have to love metallic sodium, just dont let any water come near it or you will have major problems.
pmkap
"Dear fellow rocket scientist,

If someone tells you how to build his commercial interconnects you won't have much reason to buy them, right Kendrick? "

Harry,
For someone of your expertise, no doubt, your comment has much validity....... But for the less well endowed, lets look at the reality of the situation.

Buy those Eichman bullet plugs -$33 from Percy, if you can deal with that extremely slow turnaround time, misscommunications, and his shipping charges.

Source the flat silver conductors. Well, homgrown audio doesn't carry flat conductors, the prices for silver from Percy are outrageous, and he doesn't carry flat wire, soooo, we are left finding a jewelry supply house like Myron Tobak that will source our needs in the form we want. Pay their minimum $30 and try to communicate that you really need annealed silver.

Source the covering, heatshrink, solder.... from Heatshrink Inc, Techflex, Allied....

Certainly. one with your expertise and experience might well be able to build interconnects less expensively than the kit offered by Kendrick, and certainly substantial savings could be gotten by using generic RCAs, but I doubt the savings would be greater than a third of his $99 price if one actually uses equivalents.

So what do you get for the 'outrageous' margins charged?
A single source for the needed components.
A proven design reflecting, hopefully, the itterative design process, and some level of expertise.
Instructions to keep the builder out of trouble.

Certainly, a scratch builder could save some monies by obtaining the components themselves. I've built some of the Jon Risch designs myself. If someone has the requisite skills and doesn't value their own time in sourcing the components, savings can be had. But, Kendrick is offering his own design, instructions, and a single source, all at a reasonable mark up, far less that that on commercial cables. This is the same reason folks will buy complete kits of Jon Risch's designs from Kevin P.

Certanly, it may have been inappropriate for him to post what he did on this particular forum, inadvertantly. But in the scheme of things, his products appear to be of great value, and for those of us lacking your skills and experience, an extremely viable alternative to commercial cables or pure diy at a minimal incremental cost.
HarryHaller
A reasonable and well thought out reply. I think Kendrick needs to put you in charge of marketing. There are sources of good silver wire on the net. And not jewelry store grade, but wire designed for electronics that is very good. Kendrick said nothing about kits which would have made all this in a different matter. If he had been half as eloquent as you been, none of this thread would have happened. I buy bullet plugs from my local audio shop and round silver wire sounds fine. Kendrick.... come back please.

H.H.
pmkap
Harry,

".... I think Kendrick needs to put you in charge of marketing. "

If he did, how would he pay me? What I would tell him is - You're out of your fook'n mind, you don't have the margins, or a potential market size, to be a viable enterprise from an economic prespective. Which is why I give thanks to 'whatever' each and every day that folks such a Hugh and Kendrick are out there. For Lord knows what reasons (ego, self fufillment, satisfaction, missguided economic perspectives...) they are out there, offering products that they truly believe in. At best, they are niche operations with minimal upside.

Look at Steve McCormak's growth from Mod Squad, growing into McCormack Audio, then bankruptcy, SmC Audio, and then Conrad/Johnson (those guys know how to market in a niche, their Phd.s are in econ, not EE).

Or look at PS Audio, a company that realized that to be successful one has to continually blow smoke up the *** of the customer base. Not that their products aren't good, but a 'balun' ? Fer chrisssake. Certainly, you could look at the Ultimate outlet and say - A simple common mode choke, similar to a Corcom. But they were clever enough to use a #26 torroid instead of a high permeability ferrite so with non-common mode noise it will function as a non-saturating inductor, with minimal reactive....
I can source those $3 torroids with windings for $12 each (ever try and tape and then wind 10ga solid core on 3" core?) and put together the whole thing for a BOM of less than $30. Do I begrudge them that %1000 markup. Not at all. What I do resent is the reality that they have to resort to maketing hypebole (which I consider diengenuous ****), 'the first use, in line conditioners, of a balun???? lower impedence????. Unfortuneately, this appears to be required to be successful.

Sorry for the direction I've taken this rant, but folks like Kendrick (and others) have much to offer those of us lacking your experience. And we should all be cognizant that the costs of any bussiness is far greater than the bill of materials, unless, like our wives, we value our time at 0. Its not the labor in assembling the whatever, that is part of the enjoyment, its the finding and aquiring all those frigg'n pieces that represent the major 'savings' to me. That, and the fact that I hope the passion which they bring to the enterprise results in a well thought out, high performance product.


Paul
dice45
quote:
Originally posted by AudioFreak
and you just have to love metallic sodium, just dont let any water come near it or you will have major problems.
Spoilsport! :)
paulb
quote:
Originally posted by HarryHaller
Kendrick.... come back please.
Seconded.
HarryHaller
This is not a rant, it is the cold facts. I wish I could tell everyone to go do what they love. I did High End audio for three or four years and made chump change doing it. I had reviews in FI, Positive Feedback, Audio Adventures and other mags. I had a unique well received product line in a niche part the audio market. I had a distributer, CES presence , and an export market. Guess what folks? That wasn't enough. The heavyweights in High End are struggling. A start up in the saturated wire market? Good Luck! I built digital cables with networks that I would put up against anything out there but no more. I did consulting for other designers. The market is saturated and in bad shape. I would be back in it if it wasn't....

H.H.
Helix
It just so happens that I can listen to digital data streams.

I've stopped using any sort of DAC. I just run the digital output stream (from coax) into a preamp and then listen with very neutral phones or speakers.

Now, I'd imagine Harry and others are saying that's ridiculous. Well don't be too quick to judge.

Initially, all I heard was digital noise, not unlike what you hear when you listen in on a dial-up modem connection.

But with a fair amount of time and patience, using CDs I was very familiar with, I became able to translate the digital "noise" stream into the equivalent analogue music in my head. It's sort of like mastering a foreign language. You have to sort of listen "into" the data sound. First you can detect the basic rhythm, and then after a while, everything just clicks and and your ears and brain effectivley become the "DAC" itself, with no jitter, artifacts, or distortion.

Interestingly, I have been unable to do this with an compressed digital stream, probably because of the complex compression algorhythm, but I bet I could figure it out eventually. When i am really good i should be able to listen in on mobile phone conversations

Now, using this kind of high quality listening set-up, i am now able to judge the diffrence between analog AND digital cables. If you post me a set i can give you a fair and unbiased opinion ;)
dice45
Helix,

ROTFLMAO :) you made my day!
mrfeedback
ROTFLMAO = Rolling On The Floor Laughing My **** Off

Well said Bernard.
HarryHaller
"Now, I'd imagine Harry and others are saying that's ridiculous. Well don't be too quick to judge." Not at all.... tell us some more details. I am very interested (if you are serious). I think there may be some merit to your observations. Please elaborate.

H.H.
mrfeedback
Yes Harry I agree - I was being cheeky with my last post.

Indeed thinking about it, you ought to get some idea of the audio content by listening to the data stream.
I'll try it this morning, as soon as I get to work.

Also, was it not Bernard who commented a while back that we all contain a self programming DSP between our ears, thats gets better with age and experience, despite ageing related hearing loss ?.

IME listening to the sevo stage and digital power supplies is revealing - also power amp rails.

Eric.
Silver Stealth
Well, thanks guys for your humour and understanding. My apologies for taking so long to get back here - work has just been nuts leading up to launch and MBA assignments due...

BIKES
Ok, so lets get to the important stuff. Motorbikes. I'm a keen motorcyclist, and currently have a 1990 Honda VFR750FL (first of the single sided swingarms). Before that had a CBR1000FK, GT550, GS500E, CB250RS and probably something else not worth owning up to. The VFR mighten't be the quickest set of hoops around, but by god it has mucho character, a lovely exhaust note (often been accused of being a Duke on the overrun - with Staintune muffler), and the whir of the gear driven cams just gives me ...uh, never mind. If you wanna see a wicked picture of a Veefer doing a burnout, checkout the section Breakin' the Law - School of Bad Ideas - Tire Popping 101 on www.motorcycle.com - literary genius for the two wheeled crowd...

If you want some wicked riding in Australia, my fave road is the Murray Valley Highway, between Tallangatta and Corryong, leading up to Batlow, Tumbarumba, Tumut and then heading down the Snowy Mountain Highway to Bega on the coast. Great road (not withstanding roadworks), very few cops, and sweepers that just keep on coming. Also some cool caves around the Yarrongabilly middle section - check em out. Makes me wanna get on the beast now just thinking about it...

FORD
Can't say too much here, but lets just say we're not sitting on our hands. We've some terrific, no, fully sick models coming out over the next year that should redefine value for money performance and put Ford back up where it belongs. More info at http://www.newfalcon.com.au I'm proud to be associated with these programs. Go Ford!

CABLES
There's been a request for general info on cables and why my cables might be worth checking out. This is a cool question, so I'll attempt a response:

First of all, some background on the average consumer mindset and where I think it can be flawed.

Many think the value chain of audio improvements is in the component hardware - preamp, poweramp, speakers etc. Of course anything in the signal path is important. Speakers are probably the most coloured of all things next to our room itself (the latter unfortunately often never remedied or treated), and undeniably chopping and changing source and amplification components can make significant improvements.

(If you want to treat your room with great value products in Australia, I recommend Mark Hathaway's bass traps - around $A350/pair in a variety of colours - http://cgi.audioasylum.com/systems/139.html - great bass control improvement and took much of the overhang of the room away! I've also had great success making a diffraction panel behind my couch as its so close to the rear wall with 'basslines' at www.basslinear.com . Luke there is very helpful, and around a dozen of these behind your listening sweetspot hung on MDF like a picture with some material drawn over it will bowl you over with the improvement). No bull. Anyone wants a more detailed review, email me. I did one in the past for Melbourne Audio Club. Anyway, I digress...

The cables are often overlooked, because the market is saturated with many alternatives, prices are usually high, and everyone claims there's sounds better than an all expenses paid getway island retreat with Elle MacPherson for two weeks sponsored by Fosters. Sounds great, eh? Well maybe with Boags instead of Fosters...

Well I can't explain why some cables prices are so high, but I can explain why they are so important.

Obviously enough they are directly in the signal path. There is no getting away from this in a seperates system. Less obviously perhaps, they are positioned in an area of high EMI, both from the PSUs of the components usually near the rear of each component, and the radiating EMI from many powercords usually in a dogs breakfast layout. Many cheap powercords are not shielded which makes things significantly worse. (Do yourself a favour and tidy the abomination up! Wrap the power cords together if you can with rubber bands

What makes the Silver Stealth special?

Being an Engineer, I'll start with the logical stuff and work my way down to the more contentious.

High quality plugs - Eichmann plugs are the best I've tried by a long way. If you're using any kind of base brass metal plug, do yourself a favour and stick em in the next swap meet and get the Eichs (or Yikes and Hugh and I have joked about). The main benefits in the plugs are low mass, and high conductivity - around 95% as conductive as copper. Beats brass which is 27% as conductive as copper. I rest my case here!

Silver strip - the stuff just sounds better than wire of the same type. It is claimed this is skin effect related (whereby attenuation will occur at the surface of the conductor if it is too thick). Some claim this occurs at 0.4mm, the Silver Stealths are less than half this thickness. Even though you do not hear the full potential bandwidth of the cable, I consider the analogy similar to that of the over/upsampling DACs - it keeps the area of audible interest free of colouration/phase shifts, etc. I also keep the stuff wide enough though to have adequate gauge (around 0.5mm sq) and the thickness is strong enough to withstand the rigours of normal use (I know mine get inserted and removed continuously as I tweak my pre, power amp and DAC regularly)

Personally IMHO, IMS, I didn't like the cross connected 89259, nor Cat 5, nor copper lead lighting tape (a bit flimsy!). The silver strip stood out because of the subterranean bass extention and visceral control, and the top end was open, airy and pure sounding. Others had certain strengths, but none came together as a whole like the Silver Stealths did. More resolution without the harshness, which I thought actually was more grainy with copper.

The other thing that made a significant improvement was the shield. In some instances, I've heard other cables sound worse with a shield. I'm not sure if that is because it's multi stranded, or if it's connected at both ends. In the Silver Stealth, it is simple and effective - a single piece of silver wrapped on the other side of the duo of silvers, but open circuited at one end. This makes a -/+/- sandwich but still keeps the shielding solid core and high coverage. Over the effective surface area of the conductors, there is only 5% not covered on the sides. Avoiding the multistrand earth I believe is the right thing to do.

Which brings me to multi strand cables. I believe you can lose image precision, depth and focus with multi strand designs - this can happen because the cables do not establish optimal fields between opposing conductors (earth and active). Worse still in designs where the conductors touch each other along their length, the signal path has no defined direction and smearing will occur. That's an engineering and subjective judgement, based on my observation and listening.

Lastly I've found a very sexy covering to compliment the design which is robust, is resistant to fraying and even fire retardant. The end assembly looks as good as it sounds.

This silver can also be used in biwiring to mid/tweeters for speaker cable, a few of my customers have done this in conjunction with the 3mm sq Silver Stealth Speaker Cable for the woofer for truly awesome bass. The latter, not yet released on Hugh's site should be around $350/2m kitset. Pretty good value considering there's around 7x more silver in the speaker kitset.

I think I've put around 150 hours into the instructions and quite a deal of that supported by the editing genius of Hugh. Lots and lots of pictures to make it straightforward the first time around to assemble and extensive trouble shooting guides to decipher problems should they occur.

Finally, they're pretty good value for money, all things considered. Yeah, you might, if you go to a lot of trouble ,source all the parts yourself from around five different sources, but the whole package comes in a box raring to go. That's got to be worth something for your time.

Lastly, I support my customers with Newsletters, including record reviews, system tweaks and tips, industry updates, and even food and wine reviews! The late Harvey Rosenberg inspired me to think broadly about the enjoyment of music, and to get into the coolosity of silver cables. This is my way of thanking those who support me. Anyone who wants to see the first edition, email me for a copy. I'd gladly receive reviews on good US food, wine and music (and give them credit) to those who'd like to contribute. Share the love I say.

Hope that helps answer some questions about the Silver Stealths.

Cheers, Kendrick

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