| AudioFreak |
| diyAudio.com needs a new logo. For this reason we have decided to host a competition. There will be a prize for the winner. Final submissions will need to be high resolution suitable for print. |
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| peterr |
| what is wrong with the current one? |
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| li_gangyi |
| not sure...but I'll take part init all the same...what are the limits?? |
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| AudioFreak |
| It's old, it's outdated, and it's not well suited to use in print. |
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| HBarske |
Great idea.
How does this competition work? Any email adress for the submissions? Or posting it here?
Are there any limitations on the submissions (number of colors, desired format, ...)? |
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| peranders |
May I make a suggestion?
Good file format is Adobe Illustrator or at least eps graphics. |
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| hifiZen |
Awww, I've become so fond of the current logo and website graphics... feels so comfortable, kinda like home. :)
I guess I'm wondering what needs to be printed... ? Are we adverstising in magazines now? |
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| AudioFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by hifiZen
what needs to be printed |
Merchandise.
| quote: | Originally posted by hifiZen
Are we adverstising in magazines now? |
No. |
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| AudioFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by HBarske
Great idea.
How does this competition work? Any email adress for the submissions? Or posting it here?
Are there any limitations on the submissions (number of colors, desired format, ...)? |
No limitations at this moment as long as the final submission is in a format we can work with.
Draft submissions will be in another thread.
Final submissions will be via email or direct upload. (Haven't decided which yet.) |
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| holger honda |
Now you all are in trouble!
Logoman is here! |
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| AudioFreak |
| We also would like a mascot designed ... It's probably better if we get the mascot done before the logo so that the mascot can make an appearance in the logo. Now's I've just got to go and see if I can organise 2 prizes. |
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| karma |
good idea im in. it would need to be something that loads fast for
dsl or modem users hmm |
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| AudioFreak |
| Once I've got the final art, I can optimize for each medium. Please focus on producing something suitable for print. |
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| karma |
| no problem:) :drink: |
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| Jeff Wong |
If you're printing the logo (postcards, business cards, or letterhead), will you want something that uses normal 4C CMYK inks, or are custom Pantone colours okay? T-shirts can be silkscreened using pretty much any colour of choice, but, there might be limitations, depending on the place printing them.
Does the logo need to be adaptable in terms of proportion or colours used, or a fixed design that is set in stone? Web banners, because of the odd proportion, might affect how much you might want to alter the base logo to retain its integrity. The need for a more flexible design will present different considerations than one that can only needs to, or can work one way.
Does the mascot need to be part of the logo, or is it something separate than should or could incorporate stylistically? Does the mascot need to be designed with further uses other than print? 3D figurines, plush dolls, key chains? Limitations in molds will need to be factored in, should you choose to get ambitious. |
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| Jeff Wong |
I originally meant to put a comma between 'can only' and 'needs to', but, realised that the 'or can only work one way' was redundant.
| quote: | | The need for a more flexible design will present different considerations than one that can only needs to, or can work one way. |
so, it should read as:
The need for a more flexible design will present different considerations than one that needs to, or can only work one way.
| quote: | | Does the mascot need to be part of the logo, or is it something separate than should or could incorporate stylistically? |
should read as:
Does the mascot need to be part of the logo, or is it something separate that should or could incorporate stylistically? |
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| AudioFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Wong
If you're printing the logo (postcards, business cards, or letterhead), will you want something that uses normal 4C CMYK inks, or are custom Pantone colours okay? T-shirts can be silkscreened using pretty much any colour of choice, but, there might be limitations, depending on the place printing them. |
It's probably best to limit it to standard CMYK.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Wong
[B]Does the logo need to be adaptable in terms of proportion or colours used, or a fixed design that is set in stone? Web banners, because of the odd proportion, might affect how much you might want to alter the base logo to retain its integrity. The need for a more flexible design will present different considerations than one that can only needs to, or can work one way. |
Once the design is done I'd like to be able to keep it the same for each purpose.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Wong
[B]Does the mascot need to be part of the logo, or is it something separate than should or could incorporate stylistically? Does the mascot need to be designed with further uses other than print? 3D figurines, plush dolls, key chains? Limitations in molds will need to be factored in, should you choose to get ambitious. |
Print / web banner only. Should be designed on it's own and the winning mascot should be incorporated into the logo in a stylish manner. |
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| Jeff Wong |
Do you want the logo to only read diyAudio.com, or should it include the tagline, "projects by the fanatics, for the fanatics"?
Does the 'diy' portion need to be in lower case next to the capitalised 'Audio', or can it be in caps, as long as it is still readable (separated by a colour perhaps)?
Should the design be made to fit the Bulletin Board proportion of 332x76?
Is the smallest usage going to be for a business card, or something smaller, like a 6mm CD spine?
Do you want the colour to tie in with the existing BB colours? |
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| AudioFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Wong
should it include the tagline, "projects by the fanatics, for the fanatics"? |
yes it should.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Wong
Does the 'diy' portion need to be in lower case next to the capitalised 'Audio', or can it be in caps, as long as it is still readable (separated by a colour perhaps)? |
would rather the spelling be left as it currently is.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Wong
Should the design be made to fit the Bulletin Board proportion of 332x76? |
no need.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Wong
Is the smallest usage going to be for a business card, or something smaller, like a 6mm CD spine? |
business card or larger.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeff Wong
Do you want the colour to tie in with the existing BB colours? |
We are looking at doing a complete make over so no real need to keep with the current colours. |
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| carlosfm |
Maby a pic of my pre would make a good logo.:D
What do I win?
A new pre?:bawling: |
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| AudioFreak |
| Please post all draft entries in this thread. |
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| Jason |
Sorry for the spin-speak, but it's perhaps best said thus. While keeping existing colors may not necessarily be a requirement of any website redesign, they do provide a familiar context for existing users, and therefore, help with the migration process to the new design.
I would certainly like to see elements of the existing scheme retained or tweaked, however anything goes. If you can invent a better wheel, go for it. |
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| Hybrid fourdoor |
I don't see how any of those designs are more printer friendly than the current. I like it, its simple just like this site. If we wanted over-the-top-send-me-into-convulsions-everytime-I-view-the page we would go to avsforum.
I like it the way it is.
Like this one....beautifull and elegant and simple all in one swoop
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| paulspencer |
| Could you elaborate a little on what you mean by mascot? Are the vifa drivers in the current logo considered to be the mascot? |
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| AudioFreak |
In an effort to steer this in the direction we are looking for, I have 2 comments to offer up.
1. The final logo etc must be suitable for print so entries that have moving bits or that cannot easily be produced in high resolution are unlikely to be considered.
2. For a mascot, lets try and steer well clear of any of the traditional pagan gods / idols please. |
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| Gyula |
Hi!
Here is my logo: |
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| declined |
um... nice one! I'd get rid of the lavalamp though: it brings the whole design a bit out of balance :D
I'll give it a go as soon as my exams are over...
EDIT: or isn't that a lavalamp :confused: |
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| geewhizbang |
This image was generated in an vector-oriented program, so it can be exported at any resolution, or converted to CMYK, or whatever. You could even use the source file to get vinyl version cut out for a window or a poster.
If anyone has any other suggestions, but no talent with a drawing program, I'll help you draw it and we can share the glory.
I like the appearance of this logo, but somehow it misses the DIY element somewhat.
geoffrey@nwlink.com |
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| wopo |
Hi all together!
Here is my diy-logo suggestion:
;) Wopo |
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| wopo |
Hi again!
Here is another logo done just before:
:rolleyes: Wopo |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by geewhizbang
This image was generated in an vector-oriented program |
I don't think it has been mentioned before, but any logo will need to be submitted in an editiable vector format (or as implied by the quoted post, it wouldn't met the criterion). Editable pdf, illustrator, eps. Some vector programs don't produce very suitable output (Corel Draw, AutoCad -- at least the versions i've had to deal with) and some here probably only have raster editors, so as long as the image can be suitably redrawn it will still qualify.
And please keep in mind the official capitalization scheme is "diyAudio.com"
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| geewhizbang |
| Corel Draw produces perfectly acceptable vector format. I've done graphic design for years, I know. |
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| wopo |
Hi!
Concerning the logo, isn't it better to vote for the winner and than he/she will asked for the original. I prefer to layout in photoshop. With that file you can do all things you want (printing, web). The only disadvantage, the file is rather big.
:angel: Wopo |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by geewhizbang
Corel Draw produces perfectly acceptable vector format. I've done graphic design for years |
Well, i've done it for years too and also service bureau work... we cringed everytime someone brought in Corel draw documents -- newest versions may be better behaved. Mail me an example and i'll have a look.
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| geewhizbang |
| quote: | Originally posted by wopo
Hi!
Concerning the logo, isn't it better to vote for the winner and than he/she will asked for the original. I prefer to layout in photoshop. With that file you can do all things you want (printing, web). The only disadvantage, the file is rather big.
:angel: Wopo |
The problem with doing a logo in Photoshop is that it ends up being a bitmap object. This is absolutely fine for web work, but for other purposes, such as making a t-shirt or embroidery, a bitmap image is incredibly inconvenient.
Secondly, working with a vector drawing program, such as Adobe Illustrator, Corel Draw, Macromedia Freehand, allows you to create a logo that is built up out of shapes. The image scales to any size you wish with full resolution, because it is a shape rather than a bitmap.
A good logo is SIMPLE, it has no photographs, simple shapes and colors. If it is to be made into embroidery or a t-shirt it cannot have any fades. All of the colors HAVE to be solid. |
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| enochRoot |
| quote: | Originally posted by geewhizbang
Secondly, working with a vector drawing program, such as Adobe Illustrator, Corel Draw, Macromedia Freehand...
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mentioning corel draw in the midst of illustrator and freehand is indeed blasphemy!!!
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| geewhizbang |
Puhleeze. Have you USED Corel Draw? It is the most popular drawing program in the world for good reason, and not just because the CorelDraw Suite is about $500 less expensive than buying Illustrator & Photoshop or Freehand & Photoshop.
I have been using Corel Draw since version 1.0 and it has always had things that it did BETTER than Illustrator. Back then it was that it worked on a PC when Illustrator was barely functional on a PC at all.
It has always had a far-superior interface.
These days, the good interface mostly remains even though CorelDraw is heavily feature-laden. CorelDraw is robust, very reliable, produces good Postcript output (it sometimes didn't in the the past) and has pretty much any feature you would want.
About the only thing that Illustrator does better than draw is as a tool to make small changes to existing postcript files, such as for prepress work. Since Illustrator's native file format is based on postscript, it does a fabulous job of importing raw postcript files.
But CorelDraw has a FAR better interface for creating art in the first place. |
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| enochRoot |
then why is it that NO *real* professional design/branding firms use it? i'm not talking about $250 web-based logo-mills that churn out ****, or people that think...becuase they own some software, and can use it (from a technical standpoint)...they are a designer. i'm talking about actual designers that have degrees as such, working in the higher-end competitive field.
it is sad...but in design there is no regulation or certification (as in architecture, law, engineering, etc)...so ANYONE can *say* they are a designer. this does not mean they have the proper schooling or talent to do the job correctly and professionally. corel draw is a tool for the design equivalent of weekend warriors. it is "desktop publishing" whereas freehand and illustrator are "professional design and illustration".
that is not to say that it isn't a great tool for those that like to tinker in design (for fun). i have NOTHING against that. if it makes people happy...i'm all for it (and at a price point that is more realistic for someone that does not draw their entire income from the field). wanna design a birthday card for you relative? sure...corel draw is great. wanna do up some business cards to get printed at kinkos...look no further. but to say that it is a professional design program is a joke.
i have been working in visual communication design professionaly for the past 10+ years, and never once encountered a degree-holding designer that used corel draw, or any company owning it. quite frankly...my original post was more tongue-in-cheek joking about it, but since you seemed to want to turn this into something "serious"... |
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| Sch3mat1c |
So....um.... what the hell is your problem? If I had any ideas, I'd draw them in Paint. Would that not be equally valid? HMMMM???????????????
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| geewhizbang |
I don't know. Maybe there is this rather insane Mac RELIGION out there. It A key tenet of this RELIGION is only a Mac can do good graphics.
There was some truth to this in 1984. But by 1988, there were graphics programs such as Ventura Publisher that could do far more than Pagemaker. (Quark didn't even exist yet).
I tried to use the PC Version of Illustrator in 1988 or so, but it was too slow and user hostile to be of any use. But CorelDraw 1.0 was a breath of fresh air. Because it was written ENTIRELY in integer math, it was about 4x-10x faster than Illustrator. It also had a deeply elegant interface.
With the release of 32-bit Windows 95 in late 1995, there was very little other than high-end prepress that you couldn't do on a PC.
CorelDraw 6.0 was rewritten entirely in floating point 32-bit code in 1995. It was pretty buggy, but nevertheless it was a vast improvement in accuracy and speed over the last 16-bit version of CorelDraw. The hardware had finally improved to the point that 32-bit floating point accuracy was actually faster than integer math.
Little-by-little Corel has been whittling away various minor deficiencies, fixing issues with import / export filters, making Postscript output more robust and reliable, and improving stablity. On an adequately-configured XP/Win2K system coreldraw 10 and 12 are very, very reliable and professional in both scope and robustness.
Really. Don't believe what the mac religionists try to tell you.
Big design firms use now Illustrator because that is what they are used to. But I can use CorelDraw to produce perfectly acceptable .AI files for anyone that needs them.
BTW, CorelDraw gets a huge amount of its sales from companies that do sign design, vinyl cutting, laser engraving and other hardware-dependent tools. The manufacturers of such items rarely write drivers for any other program, since CorelDraw is less expensive to bundle with their equipment, easier to support since it has a decent interface (unlike Illustrator) and bundled with a lot of workhorse high-quality postscript fonts.
If it didn't work, they would have switched to something else a LONG time ago. |
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| enochRoot |
guess i'm not understanding your post. what the hell is *my* problem? nothing at all. i made a joke...and that joke was "rebutted". so...i told my view of things.
as for you doing something up in paint...that is how this all started...someone mentioning using a program that provides bitmapped (as opposed to vector) art, and geewhizbang saying it wasn't suitable for this application. so according to *him*...using paint isn't acceptable. realistically (in professional design)...he is right. you should *always* create logos in a vector-based program. then again...this is a diy audio board FOR FUN...so have at it!
i have seen a number of posts by geewhizbang ripping people's designs to shreds. it kind of peeved me, as this is all supposed to be on a casual level (and not held at a "professional" standard...just for fun). so...after his rebutting of my joke...i felt it was time to weigh in, as his word is not *the* definitive design point of view.
to his credit...the design he did was probably the best submitted thus far. i just don't like someone hacking on people that are in this for the fun of it. save that BS for work.
and actually...why does *any* of this concern you?! i'm out on this, and will reply no further. not trying to start some flame war. sh*t...for all i care...you can paint the thing on a canvas, and scan it in (as long as you enjoy doing it). |
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| enochRoot |
| oh yeah...the above post was in reply to sch3mat1c's post. the long one from geewhizbang came while i was typing. as for my inclusion in the mac "religion"...i must confess. we sacrifice many children every year at mac world. shhhh.... |
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| geewhizbang |
Paint programs produce BITMAPS. The picture is comprised of a grid of small dots. Each dot can be assigned a color or greyscale value.
Drawing programs produce what are called vector graphics. The objects in drawings are shapes, stacked on top of each other. The shapes can be filled, be used to cut out or draw on top of other shapes, can have line strokes drawn around them.
This sort of vector object is absolutely necessary if you are going to make embroidery or a silk screen master.
Bitmaps are very inconvienient for this because:
1. They don't scale very well. If you have a bitmap that looks good at a certain size, if you scale it up, the spacing of the dots gets large enough to see, and the image gets blurry or "dotty".
2. It is hard to determine the edge of a color object. In order to look good, a solid-color bitmap shape is not entirely one color. All along the edge of the object are pixels of intermediate color between the object and its background that trick the eye into making the shapes look smooth. This is called anti-aliasing, and it is absolutely necessary to do this in bitmap images or they look very ragged and awful. But it makes it very, very hard to detect the edges of the shape when making something like a silk screen or embroidery.
3. For objects made out of simple shapes, bitmaps can get very large in size. A vector object is the same file size, no matter how big you print it.
If you don't have a vector drawing program it is usually very easy to find legitimate copies of older versions of graphics programs, such as CorelDraw, Adobe Ilustrator or Freehand on sale for $35 bucks or so. You can get CorelDraw 10 for about that price, and that is what I used on my logo submittals. Version 12 is out already, but version 10 is still a very, very capable program. |
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| enochRoot |
| good info (honestly)...i just hope it wasn't for *my* benefit :rolleyes: |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by geewhizbang
Bitmaps are very inconvienient for this because: |
They would have to be "illustrated" (generic term)... but if the best idea comes as a raster, i can live with that.
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| geewhizbang |
I don't think I have been ripping other people's ideas to shreds. I have been discussing them; but there were plenty of compliments along with the critiques.
Logo design is always something that takes a lot of discussion if you are going to do it right. There are a lot of subtle details to nail down, and almost infinite possibilities to consider -- but you have to actually create it, visualize it in the first place.
My method is to talk about it a lot. It may be rather obsessive, but it could be misconstrued as criticism. If so, I'm sorry.
An eye opener early in my career was working with an award-winning designer. I was rather surprised at the way he worked; he was not fond of his own ideas at all. He would try something, then another, then another, deliberate about it a lot, and then try something else. It took a lot of time, but he went thru a lot of different ideas before he settled on something.
I really like the fontgraphy in the one with the accidental sperm aspect, and the wave pattern in someone else's.
Part of the reason why my submittal is OK is that I reacted to criticism and posted changes in response. I have done 16 different versions of my logo to arrive at the current version.
I did get a bit peeved when someone tried to explain that it didn't matter whether the logo was tall or wide; that the site could be redesigned around his design rather than the logo designed for the site.
Please do post other ideas here. My design is probably not the one that will win in the end; I have a gut feeling that there is a better answer that will eventually be so obvious when someone posts it here.
But I will try to be more polite when I try to talk about them. |
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| Sch3mat1c |
Oh, it was a joke? Use more of these >>> ;) :cannotbe: :clown: :rolleyes: :p:confused: :D :o :)
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So.... what's the difference? All the images thus presented are in, uhhhhh let me see, .JPG or .GIF which is bitmapped as presented on screen. As drawn in Paint, I get no antialiasing, just hardassed jagged lines. But then, the jags go away if you use a lot of pixels in a high resolution. ;) Personally I don't see why you can't silk screen just anything, vector or not, especially since I'm wearing (er, well I was yesterday) a shirt that's got a not too uncomplicated picture printed on it. (See www.swairfest.org.)
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| geewhizbang |
I'm not trying to argue with you. I just explained the technical reasons why vector is preferred for logos, especially ones that are to be reproduced somewhere other than on the Web.
If you submit a bitmap to a company that makes t-shirts, they will charge you a bunch of money for image conversion. What they are doing is redrawing your image in vector format, and even though there are autotrace programs, none of them work well, so the image has to be pretty much redrawn by a human.
That is just the way it is.
Planet10 said it is ok to make submittals in bitmap. But do understand that one of the judging criteria will have to be how well the logo can be converted to a vector object. |
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| eriep |
comments inline below,
>There was some truth to this in 1984. But by 1988, there were >graphics programs such as Ventura Publisher that could do far more >than Pagemaker. (Quark didn't even exist yet).
There was a pretty decent page layout program (IMSI Publisher) in the mid 80's that worked pretty well. By Mid '88 I was doing all of my layout on a NEXTcube, and the pc was forsaken for several years
>I tried to use the PC Version of Illustrator in 1988 or so, but it was >too slow and user hostile to be of any use. But CorelDraw 1.0 was a >breath of fresh air. Because it was written ENTIRELY in integer math, >it was about 4x-10x faster than Illustrator. It also had a deeply >elegant interface.
Still have my original boxes of ver 1 thru 4, and ver 12 does everything illustrator does, quicker too...
>Little-by-little Corel has been whittling away various minor >deficiencies, fixing issues with import / export filters, making >Postscript output more robust and reliable, and improving stablity. On >an adequately-configured XP/Win2K system coreldraw 10 and 12 are >very, very reliable and professional in both scope and robustness.
In fact, alot of times when I'm recreating logos ( I now own a sign shop and spend waaay too much time doing this) some aspects of a logo are quite a bit quicker than my $4000 sign software.
>Big design firms use now Illustrator because that is what they are >used to. But I can use CorelDraw to produce perfectly acceptable .AI >files for anyone that needs them.
In nearly 20 years of computer graphic design (man I'm getting old), I've seen more hacks with money (latest mac, adobe suite, etc...)
design logos that look good on the screen, and are totally unreproducable. As a general rule, I always design 1 color, 2 color and full color (cymk) versions for every logo.
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| griff |
Hey Dan is the comp still running? I am free from uni exams and can submit some if you are still hunting.
EDIT - I dont know about the prize.... Jason still owes me a beer for the last one! |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by griff
Hey Dan is the comp still running? I am free from uni exams and can submit some if you are still hunting.
EDIT - I dont know about the prize.... Jason still owes me a beer for the last one! |
Contest still running...a good set of prizes (sitting in my email -- i want to create links and grab some pics -- stay tuned)
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| Frazzled |
Here is a link to my offering.
Small version for preview.
Be gentle...:smash: |
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| BobH |
Can't seem to find a way to send you emails with attachments. Oh well... just wanted to say that if people like the look/feel of the site, you can keep the color scheme - just make the form support the words and make sure nothing is smaller than ~16p when the logo itself is max of 1" x 1"
maybe something like this? |
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| BobH |
OK, I fooled with it a bit last night.
Bottom line, it's a print logo, so:
1.) It should embody the concept & communicate effectively within the first 7 seconds at maximum - world class is 1.5 seconds.
2.) It should not embody any culturally biased issues or images.
3.) It should read well at different sizes from billboard to 1" square - and also in multiple colors including Grayscale and Black & White.
4.) It should integrate well into multiple medias such as print & web.
5.) It should draw upon familiar images & concepts to be memorable and should not be so 'loud' as to distract from the content. IE< it creates context... it is the stage... not the show.
So, this is a bit rough - text size / font / border certainly could be reworked as currently its screen readability is not great at 1" (30mm) though it prints well at that size and some of the it needs tweaking I guess, but this is a decent first-round concept... not great, but decent. My assumption is that it's OK to use cheapie tools like Powerpoint etc.. and that somewhere in our midst we have a graphic artist to rework & clean up whichever concept we choose. I do branding and positioning but sure as heck am no artist. ...and granted, there is normally a lot more to creating a logo than pulling it out of one's backside - but hey - it's a lot more fun this way... fewer boring meetings... If you like it and we get a graphic artist to step up and rework it in Quark or some other "real" package - I'll gladly split the prize... we can each have half a beer ... or whatever... :) |
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| BobH |
| Logo didn't seem to attach. Resized it smaller and trying again... |
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| geewhizbang |
Sorry Bob, there are several issues with your logo. The speaker is a good idea, but the typography is extremely hard to read. It may be better to display the typography next to the image rather than on top of it.
The logo is also rather square, which is somewhat inconvenient for Web display. Something wider than it is tall is usually better for web work.
Don't worry about how you produce the logo; there are many here that know how to do this, including myself; so any logo that is selected can be easily redrawn in CorelDraw, Adobe Illustrator or Freehand to be reproduced properly. |
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| BobH |
I literally used Powerpoint - I have no art tools whatsoever (and many would say... no art skills... it's just not what I do)
- Yep, the text is hard to read - I don't think it absolutely needs to be moved off the speaker, but that is an option. I think the problem is more my ill-suited art software than text placement.
- Yep, long web logos are generally better than stubbies. If this is to be primarily a web logo, then elongation is a good option (and may provide an opportunity to pull some or all the text off the logo
- Yep, the speaker picture is squarish & crappy - it is made of 3 geometric shapes in powerpoint... very rough.
However, a couple of things should remain about this (or any other) concept:
- Simplicity: if the average person can't comfortably comprehend it and get the intended message in 2 to 7 seconds... it's not a logo, it's a piece of art ;)
- Scalability/Flexibility: Needs to read well in color or mono or grayscale from small to large sizes (IE: You should be able to put it in the upper left hand corner of a business card and read it without a magnifying glass... what you want to put the logo on today may not be what you want to put it on tomorrow - if you can't put it on TV screens, billboards, business cards, webpages, beachballs, polo shirts etc... then it's not a good logo)
- Content: The current logo contains the "projects by fanatics..." statement. That's a visual voice and should probably not be in the logo. (though is very good to use in conjunction with the logo) Few logos embody the visual voice. For example: Microsoft "Where do you want to go today" or Nike "Just Do It" or McDonalds "We Make You Smile" or Coke "Have a Coke and a Smile" etc... That may be what the company wants you to *think* when you see their logo, but the logo is a simple visual representation and the visual voice is used seperately to influence the thought process of the customer to focus the meaning of the logo and boost memory retention. Even when a logo is textual, it is a stylized version of a very brief section of text and is considered to be a picture and is used differently than text (like Microsoft and Intel who use stylized text versions of their names as logos) Bottom line - It's just too much information and presents readability challenges as the moderateor had alluded.
TRUTH BE TOLD - I REALLY LIKE THE CURRENT LOOK AND FEEL OF THE SITE.
If it were mine to decide, I'd get someone on the board with a graphic art background to remove the visual voice from the current logo and do a little extra style work on it. Some may think that "diyAudio.com" is too much text to make a good logo... but hey... it looks pretty good now... I'd like to see it after a good graphic artist fine-tuned it.... maybe accent the nice diagonal play between the y & A and work the font over a bit for readability when small & call it done. |
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| Geek |
| quote: | Originally posted by BobH
TRUTH BE TOLD - I REALLY LIKE THE CURRENT LOOK AND FEEL OF THE SITE. |
Too right! ;)
But if my logo comes in the top 5, can I get a diyAudio.com T-Shirt or something? :)
When is the judging anyhoo? |
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| geewhizbang |
| Top prize is a rather nice preamp kit by nelson pass. I don't have time at this specific moment to find the page about the prizes, but yes it could be worth your while to design something. |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Geek
But if my logo comes in the top 5, can I get a diyAudio.com T-Shirt or something? :)
When is the judging anyhoo? |
Nothing as mundain as a T-Shirt...
http://members.shaw.ca/planet10/diyAudio-logos/
As soon as i'm moved back into my house -- a month now we've been living in my parent's basement :( -- i promise to start pushing this forward again.
The contest lasts until it's over. We aren't setting an arbitrary time... artist's work needs time to gestate.
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| Beat_Slayer |
Hello everyone!
I'm very happy to meet this forum, i'm sure it is a great found to me!
I saw your logo contest, this isn't to the contest, i didn't see the rules, i just have done something, I liked and decided to share, made in a 15mins. right after i met this forum!
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| drewish |
I was wondering if the contest was still running?
I have joined your post and am starting to build my own projector.
And wanted to give back to you guys for helping me out.
I build and program websites for a living, and am very good with photoshop and be glad to enter a few logos into the running.
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by drewish
I was wondering if the contest was still running? |
Yes -- it is sort of open ended... as everyone spurrs everyone else on, the examples get better (looks like i might have to build a whole page for Ropie's examples).
I'm the official "tender" for this... things are coasting a bit right now as i work to get the roof/reno done on my house and move back in.
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| geewhizbang |
I've lost any enthusiasm about the project becuz there is no deadline.
They are waiting until the right logo shows up I guess, but because they are not giving any feedback why they don't like any of the submissions I've done, I can't give them anything else.
Since there is no deadline, there is no competition. It has been boooooring for about three months now.
There was a really healthy posting of stuff here about 3 months ago, but it petered out when everybody got tired of how open-ended it was. |
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| Ropie |
>> They are waiting until the right logo shows up I guess
There is always the risk for the people who set a design competition that they won't like any of the submissions, but that is the price to be paid for being able to attract such a lot of potential entrants ;) Of course there is the option to pick a winner and then get them to modify the design slightly (within reason); then again a lot of professional design competitions announce a winner whose winning idea is never actually used at all :(
I'm not suggesting that any of the above will happen here but I think that the competition element would benefit from a definitive end-date, Dave, or atleast a date when you will announce round two, though I can appreciate the work involved in rebuilding a house!
I had noticed the entries drying up and as I had just finished a big project at work I have had a bit of spare time, but I can't keep posting at this rate (I'm running out of ideas apart from anything else :smash: ) |
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| DarkSword |
| Saw this forum and I thought I'd give the contest a go. |
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| planet10 |
Keep em coming... i'm almost done my house and hope to move back in in the next week and i can pump the contest up...
Discussions have put a tentative close date as December 31, 2004, so i gotta get moving :)
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| sammmm |
| here's my attempt... |
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| planet10 |
I'd like my cap with the blue logo please :)
dave |
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| sammmm |
yes sir...
but orange is so much better! ;) |
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| AudioFreak |
and could you please change the wording of the catchline to:
projects by fanatics, for fanatics. |
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| sammmm |
sure...
again, it can come in any colour you like |
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| sammmm |
i put a semicolon instead of a comma...
all better now... |
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| adx |
I like that one actually. Here's my entry...
(subtle undertone... really, what's wrong with the old one?!) |
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| Sch3mat1c |
| quote: | Originally posted by adx
w |
Mmm, about 16 more red and green? Just guessing...
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| adx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sch3mat1c
Mmm, about 16 more red and green? Just guessing...
Tim |
No, just normal brain fade around 2am.
Struggling to attach the graphic, that I had unceremoniously flogged from the top of the page seconds earlier, I discovered that pressing return in the filename field actually posts the message (sounds like the beginning of a bad novel). I couldn't edit the message to take out Mr "w", nor could I remember what I had started to write, so there he stays.
Out on a limb of my mind.
Anyway, I like the existing logo just fine! |
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| Sch3mat1c |
Hmm, guess so. Thought the purple was a tinge lighter, must've been a visual trick. ;) (Both show up as RGB = 173, 148, 198.)
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| adx |
You were right the first time, it is lighter (giving the false impression that I tried to do something useful).
It did end up in photoshop for a while because the png wouldn't attach, saved as GIF.
A printscreen of the original next to 'my' one measures differently, but comparing values in the PNG and GIF shows no difference. Colour profiles I guess. It's kind of a pain actually, as scores of web designers must have discovered some time ago.
Now I feel dumb so I'd better at least do something, see if this attaches... |
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| DragonMaster |
Well, I think I'll start playing with "The GIMP 2.0"
Or use IrfanView SFXes, like for my site's logo(I think I used Mode7 3D too). |
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| BluRz |
| Well, here is my attempt at a logo. |
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| BluRz |
| Here it is in green too. |
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| fcel |
| Why isn't there a winner yet after this competition has been going on for 5 (?) years? |
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| DragonMaster |
They forgot?
They're telling they're missing space and they let a post full o fbig attachements going. |
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| planet10 |
Contest ends Dec 31, 2004.
I'm back in my house, so will start doing my bit soon.
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| XELB |
This is one idea :dead:
I used this colors but i can change them;) |
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| AudioFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by fcel
Why isn't there a winner yet after this competition has been going on for 5 (?) years? |
Actually only a few months. |
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| Ropie |
| quote: | Originally posted by XELB
This is one idea :dead:
I used this colors but i can change them;) |
I like that design
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| ajay12 |
| A "competition" is really just a way to get a free logo. In the industry it is called 'spec work' and is frowned upon. I am not trying to be disruptive, only informative, so please understand I mean no offense. Art competitions are one thing, but soliciting spec work is another. |
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| Ropie |
| Have you taken a look at the prize list - they're not 'free'. Anyway, diyAudio is free to all its non-commercial members and I'm sure they (diyAudio) wouldn't be able to afford the ridiculous prices that designers charge for scribbling down a few ideas :bigeyes: |
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| Paradise_Ice |
I could make you a logo for free.
I made my own Infra Demon and its my trade mark for my small company in Scotland.
I am an artist but i have no qualifications to say so not that i need any or want any.
Street art and underground art are my thing, give me an idea of what you want, dont give me sales and marketing bumf, give me emotive and soulful words, and i will give you what you feel or dream of in an image or logo. |
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| adx |
What if you have lost the ability to feel or dream, corporate lingo is the only thing that you can really understand, and marketing bs has been your reality for as long as you can remember...
I suppose I can hire a qualified artist who is registered with the international board of fully qualified artists. (the IBOFQA) |
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| Paradise_Ice |
| quote: | Originally posted by adx
What if you have lost the ability to feel or dream, corporate lingo is the only thing that you can really understand, and marketing bs has been your reality for as long as you can remember...
I suppose I can hire a qualified artist who is registered with the international board of fully qualified artists. (the IBOFQA) |
I think if i lost the ability to dream i would have to lose my soul first,
Its all about choices, do you want to be true to the soul, do you want to be passionate and alive with dreams or will you be a slave of this time and world? |
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| adx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paradise_Ice
I think if i lost the ability to dream i would have to lose my soul first, |
Me to a T :)
I suppose many people decide at some time to make their world completely finite, because it's easier that way. Once you're an accepted part of the system you no longer need to think. Fortunately, the system rejects me quite frequently. |
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| Paradise_Ice |
| quote: | Originally posted by adx
Me to a T :)
I suppose many people decide at some time to make their world completely finite, because it's easier that way. Once you're an accepted part of the system you no longer need to think. Fortunately, the system rejects me quite frequently. |
Your right its harder to be alone and stand for what you want and believe is right when the system will get you ever time.
The system will reject every one that can not enchance its madeness, rags to riches and richies to rags, its not a ride i believe in or want to take.
The rejection you speak of it more it cant digest what you have, typically the truth;) |
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| Bogie |
Well, personally, I like the logo that I'm looking at at the top of this screen. Clean, simple, etc.
Ferchrissake, don't garbage it up. Don't try to make it tell a story.
Chuck Bogardus
Graphic Designer
Don't moonlight, and don't really feel creative at the moment, thankyouverymuch.
And after umpty pages of arguing over file formats... It's easy to make a little jpeg from a postscript or vector file, and it's impossible to make a sharp vector or postscript file from a little jpeg. Now I'm gonna go have a beer, watch the news, and then go to bed. |
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| geewhizbang |
| But it is very, very boring. And the version with the speakers added is even more lame. |
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| Bogie |
Yeah, I'd lose the speakers. Maybe punch the color a little.
I'd also lose the "thes" in the tagline. |
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