| phibes |
Hi everyone,
I've been using the Shure V15VxMR MM cartridge for the past nine months and I'm extremely happy with the performance of the Shure (I have used MM cartridges exclusively for the past 30 yrs). I would like to use/experiment with a MC cartridge in conjunction with the Shure and would appreciate any suggestions from Forum members as to what you would recommend I should use. The Shure was about $800 AUD and I suppose I would be expecting to pay that much and up to say $1500 AUD for the MC cartridge.
My TT is a Rega P25 with RB600 arm.
Thanks in advance to all.
Cheers, |
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| sreten |
| quote: | Originally posted by phibes
I would like to use/experiment with a MC cartridge in conjunction with the Shure....... Cheers, |
I'd just caution that swapping cartridges in the Rega is no trivial
task, especially if the height of the tone arm needs to be adjusted.
Ideally you should approach this by demonstration, but chances
of finding a dealer who will demonstrate different cartridges are slim.
If MC's are better than MM's, there should be some cost point at
which paying more for a MC is not justified, they should compete
on equal terms, I'd suggest this is around 200 to 300 $ (US).
The quality of the MC step up is also an issue to be considered,
you may be better with a high output Moving Coil.
I'm not going to offer an opinion on expensive MC's, IMO the
arm and turntable its attached to are far more important than
the actual cartridge used (if its decent) regarding the end result.
Ortofon's MC cartridges are pretty good IMO.
I use an Ortofon MC15 Super II with a RB250, fine line stylus - but
tracks at 2.2g, on a modded Systemdek turntable, nice / neutral IMO.
:) sreten. |
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| innernerd |
Being in Australia you should have access to the Denon range of
mc carts at good prices. The DL103 is very good value.
If you dont have the necessary gain in your preamp then Dynavectors' range of high ourput mc carts might be the place to look. |
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| phibes |
Hi,
Thanks for the advice and I'll certainly take it onboard. I am fully aware of the adjustment necessary with the Rega arm as I went through all that when I fitted the Shure. Whatever MC cartridge I end up with, it will be left in the arm for extended periods of time. I don't intend swapping and changing constantly. I would just like to experience a good MC cartridge after all these years using MM cartridges. Perhaps I won't like the experience as much as the Shure!
I feel the ME phono stage will support low output MC cartridges and incidently, I have had the Denon MC cartridges recommended to me by others who always give them a good rap.
Cheers |
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| sreten |
The Denon DL103 is a classic broadcasters cartridge
with a spherical tip and very good for playing singles.
The classic Denon hi-fi model is the high output DL110.
;) sreten. |
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| DrewP |
I'm using an Ortofon MC20 Supreme and have been very happy with it.
a friend has the Denon s1s (above your target price) but the 103 and 301 are well regarded. The only caution I'd give with the denons is that the s1s and 301 have a high compliance and i have seen the s1s bottom out on steep warps that my ortofon tracks without any grief at all. If everything is perfectly flat then it's no hassles, just something to be aware of.
drew |
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| Nickolas K. |
Go for an Ortofon!!!
They are very well built, very reliable and once you set one up you don't have to fiddle around to fine-tune it.
They just play music.
Their new Kontrapunkt models are excellent value for money but
if you can afford it go for the Jubilee. And if you cannot afford right now, be patient and save money to get it in a couple of months
Some people say the Jubilee is one of the finest cartridges ever made, others say it's the best Ortofon ever made and others say it's the second best after Ortofon's MC7500.
Here they are: |
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| Audiofanatic |
Hi Guys,
For me the best MC for the $$$$$$ is the Shelter 901.
I had the Van Den Hul MC one Special and the Kontapunkt the blue one. But the best one is and will be (for me) the Shelter 901.
Frank, if you are reading this post can you please tell me what the name is of that beautifull Belgian MC Cartridge? Something like Aerts?
Best regards,
Audiofanatic ;) |
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| Nickolas K. |
I think it's Alaerts. Jim Alaerts is the man behind them.
Cannot tell about the Shelter, i haven't heard it.
In the 25+ years i have been listening to music i had Suppex, Karma, Koetsu, Dynavector, vdH mc1, mc2, mc1s, Grasshopper 1,2,3, a custom made-low output Grasshopper White Beauty SPX (i still have this one), a Monster SG2000 and the two Ortofons i have been using for the last 3 years.
I fell in love with 2 of them: the Monster and the Ortofon MC7500.
Hisayoshi Nakatsuka (he was making the Monsters) is still making cartridges, the ZYX, but they are not that easy to get and the top of the line R-1000 costs a little less than 7000 Euro.
As for the Ortofon, if we could only persuade Per Windfeld to design a Jubilee with the MC7500 generator, cantilever and stylus.
In the meantime i am dreaming of the ZYX R-1000.
Sleep well,
Nick |
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| Audiofanatic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nickolas K.
I think it's Alaerts. Jim Alaerts is the man behind them.
Cannot tell about the Shelter, i haven't heard it.
In the 25+ years i have been listening to music i had Suppex, Karma, Koetsu, Dynavector, vdH mc1, mc2, mc1s, Grasshopper 1,2,3, a custom made-low output Grasshopper White Beauty SPX (i still have this one), a Monster SG2000 and the two Ortofons i have been using for the last 3 years.
I fell in love with 2 of them: the Monster and the Ortofon MC7500.
Hisayoshi Nakatsuka (he was making the Monsters) is still making cartridges, the ZYX, but they are not that easy to get and the top of the line R-1000 costs a little less than 7000 Euro.
As for the Ortofon, if we could only persuade Per Windfeld to design a Jubilee with the MC7500 generator, cantilever and stylus.
In the meantime i am dreaming of the ZYX R-1000.
Sleep well,
Nick |
We both have something in common!
You don't know the Shelter 901 and I don't know the MC7500.
I'm sure it's a great cartridge, but the price is realy something!
And Yes! it's the Jim Alaerts, never heard of him until a read a post of our dear forum member Frank.
All the best for the new year.
Audiofanatic ;)
This will be (I think) my last post for this year,
till next year! Best regards :) |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | Frank, if you are reading this post can you please tell me what the name is of that beautifull Belgian MC Cartridge? Something like Aerts? |
Sure, they're handmade by mr. Jan Allaerts.
ALLAERTS.
Here's a pic of my own, the MC 2 Finish:
Cheers,;) |
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| innernerd |
| Have you tried Ebay seller 2juki? He carries the ZYX line as well as Koetsu and Ortofon at good prices. |
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| KBK |
Ther best bargain MC, and specifically LOW OUTPUT, is the Goldring Eroica LX model. I am using it with a M.C.Cotter Transformer.
Low outpt cartridges work best and work best with transformers. Low output units, becasue the moving mass is lower,and there is less slewing problems under acceleration, unlike high output MC's. all things being equal, a low output MC will outperform a high output version, every time.
Someone gave me the name of the company to buy transformers from, so you don't have to go and hunt down ultra expensive units. 'll go and get the name (place musak here...)OK. I's back. The name is 'Lundahl trasformers'.
Back to the Goldring Erocia LX MC unit. The way to make one sing, is to remove the body cover, which is easily done, and then damp the chassis that remains.
It puts this unit in the $1-1.5k MC territory. Just like that. I do things like buy them used off of ebay, or whatever. They can be had for about $225US or so. But you can't be afraid of making a mess...
So now I have a nuded Erocia! And it rocks! Big time! |
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| sreten |
I've had a Goldring Eroica LX in a Rega arm and TBH wasn't
too impressed. It was replaced with an Audio Technica AT-F3
which showed it a clean pair of heels. It didn't come close to
The Ortofon MC15 super II that I now have.
Perhaps I had a poor example because it was dissapointing.
Some of the suggestions seem a bit much for a Rega P25.
I'd suggest Phibes tries the classic Denon DL110 cartridge.
If moving coils really are better it should be good enough to
demonstrate the benefits.
I still maintain the following is true :
I'm not going to offer an opinion on expensive MC's, IMO the
arm and turntable its attached to are far more important than
the actual cartridge used (if its decent) regarding the end result.
:) sreten. |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | IMO the arm and turntable its attached to are far more important than the actual cartridge used (if its decent) regarding the end result |
The arm, yes, but the TT? And Denons?
Any Ortofon at the same price will blow them away...
Maybe it's down to taste but you really have me puzzled at times...:xeye:
Cheers,;) |
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| sreten |
| quote: | Originally posted by fdegrove
Hi,
The arm, yes, but the TT? And Denons?
Any Ortofon at the same price will blow them away...
Maybe it's down to taste but you really have me puzzled at times...:xeye:
Cheers,;) |
From my experience of rebuilding turntables I can confidently
say that modifications to the turntable cause effects that many
would say is the sound of the cartridge or arm, but its not.
I like Ortofons, I have one. It is a long while since I've heard the
DL110, at the time it seemed to be better than the Ortofon MC10
I had at the time. Its the only Denon I rate, having not heard the
others and I wouldn't expect the others to be very suitable.
I also found a review of the Rega P25 saying
| quote: | The table is finished in Black, and the first cartridge used was Shure V15 series MM. The sound came out with a real nice PRAT, which from other reviews, is what I expected. The sound stage was nice, often very large, but not bloated big. The bass was very extended and tuneful. The Shure is a bit of a dark cartridge to begin with, and the table did not accent this, or make it brighter than what I have heard it do on the Linn. Next I tried the Koetsu Black on it. This cartridge is very nice with the Rega, if you are in the romantic side of the listening chair. Again, nice detail (better than what the Shure could muster up), with good bass extension and airy treble. I should mention that my Black is getting on in years, and it does not do the bias tracks so well on the HiFI News and Record Report test lp. so on to the next cartridge, the Denon DL110.
The Denon DL110 seemed to be a match made in heaven for the Rega. Here the Rega really strutted it's stuff. It could track clean through the 3rd bias track on the HFaRR test lp with no buzzing or tracking problems. This cartridge had sit in my spare bin for way to long, and finnally was broken in and ready to roar. This cartridge showed how dynamic the P25 could be, which on my pop and rock recordings, seemed to jump out. The detail is also very good, with a clean treble. |
More on the Dl110, incorrectly listed as a DL140 :
http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.pl...186415&review=1
:) sreten. |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | From my experience of rebuilding turntables I can confidently say that modifications to the turntable cause effects that many would say is the sound of the cartridge or arm, but its not. |
From rebuilding badly designed TTs I may get the wrong conclusions too....
Fact is, I worked with and have designed TTs and tonearms and once you have one part wrong the other is going to be wrong too...
Just my experience,;) |
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| Audiofanatic |
| quote: | Originally posted by fdegrove
Hi,
From rebuilding badly designed TTs I may get the wrong conclusions too....
Fact is, I worked with and have designed TTs and tonearms and once you have one part wrong the other is going to be wrong too...
Just my experience,;) |
Bingo! I totaly agree with you Frank!
BTW Happy New Year Analogue lover!
Audiofanatic ;) |
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| Audiofanatic |
Hi Frank,
I'm going to make a nice TT without a sub chassis.
After comparing it with my oracle I'll deside which one to keep.
I hope your not right, regarding writing on a pillow ;) I love my Delphi.
Slaap lekker! (Sweet dreams):angel:
Audiofanatic ;) |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | BTW Happy New Year Analogue lover! |
Muchas gracias, Jose....Buenas a ti e tu familia tambien.
Thank you for seeing the flaws in the reasoning...seems to me you're a smart person....No offense to anyone else...
Cheers,;) |
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| Audiofanatic |
Sounds plausible ;)
Teruste!
José Audiofanatic :angel: |
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| sreten |
| quote: | Originally posted by fdegrove
Hi,
From rebuilding badly designed TTs I may get the wrong conclusions too....
Fact is, I worked with and have designed TTs and tonearms and once you have one part wrong the other is going to be wrong too...
Just my experience,;) |
Your not making any logical sense, no wonder you get puzzled ;)
You've suddenly leapt from saying a turntable doesn't
a affect the sound of a cartridge to that it shouldn't.
And I don't like being told how I form my conclusions.
Your supposition is entirely inaccurate and pompous.
:) sreten. |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | I hope your not right, regarding writing on a pillow I love my Delphi. |
Logic tells me I am right...
My ears tells me I am right....
People keep on telling me I am always right....Pfwww...that's a responsibility...
Although it's true, sell the Delphi and get an NA, Jose...
Thank me later...
Tom's a real chum and he brings to the market one piece at the time what we, he and him knew ages ago already...you won't regret...
Brilliance at it best...
While I have no commercial bindings, I can only say that our thinking is alike.
Cheers,;) |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | Your not making any logical sense, no wonder you get puzzled |
Not by my logic but by yours.
| quote: | You've suddenly leapt from saying a turntable doesn't
a affect the sound of a cartridge to that it shouldn't. |
A well designed TT shouldn't and hence doesn't.
| quote: | | And I don't like being told how I form my conclusions. |
Neither do I, but I do face the facts....
| quote: | | Your supposition is entirely inaccurate and pompous. |
Sorry to say so but I'm 100% sure it isn't....Errr...'bout what exactly?
Cheers,;) |
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| KBK |
lessee..what have I owned and used:
Shinon Red
Koetsu Black Goldline
Shinon Red Boron
Ortofon MC20
Ortofon MC 20 MkII
Ortofon MC 20 Super
Ortofon MC30
Ortofon MC30 Super
Shure m95E (my first cartridge!)
Audioquest 404i
Musical Fidelity MC 45
Shinon MV 2.5
Nagoka MP11 Boron
Nagoka MP 50
Nagoka MP 50 (boron?)
Audio Technica MC33 (wow!)
AT 135
AT160 (I'd love to get another one of these!)
A bunch of shibata'ed MM AT units, too many to remember.
Signet AM 40
Goldring Eroica LX
Goldring 1042?
Denon 103
Denon MC160
Grado blacks, etc (8's etc)
Grado Reference (the cheap one, joe sent me that one for free)
Blue Point Special (suprisingly bad! those mer'cans are crazy...)
And more that I can't remember. You know you are on the right track concerning music as opposed to audio....when you have a big box of dead $1K~ MC cartridges.
It's always been the super low output MC units that have impressed me. but they MUST, I repeat MUST be transformer driven to reveal their true qualities. |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | It's always been the super low output MC units that have impressed me. but they MUST, I repeat MUST be transformer driven to reveal their true qualities. |
Nope...
I'm open to propositions though...what transformers? Make, etc?
Point is I can design a transistor based MC head amp just as fast as a tube based design that'll beat any xformer at cost hands down...
If any xformer designer can come up with the reverse situation I'd be happy to to reply...
Fact is I've not heard from them over the last twenty tears...errr years...
Cheers,;) |
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| KBK |
Yes, good transformers tend to cost. but.. they also leave the transients and phasing quite unmuddied in some funamentally important and musical ways. It's the I to V conversion that is done in such harmless or benign manner that really makes the transformers rock over any solid state or tube MC attempts.
I might be convinced otherwise, as I have not heard the best tube units yet. But even then, you open them up..and you find the transforemers inside of them! Go figure.
Jensen makes good ones I hear, and in my earlier post in this thread, I stated the name of a company that was recently reccomended to me for MC transformers. I personally have no idea if they are any good or not. So far, my ole' MC Cotter silver wound potted MC transformer has been hard to beat. Especially since I found it at a garage sale, basically NIB for $15.00.
As for the eroica LX, the body on them is horrible sounding plastic and comes off incredibly easy. Then, I damped the assembly that was left, and it sounded much better. Blew the doors of of a Mint Shinon Red Boron I had lying around. Some might say that beating the shinon is not hard to do, but... it was a pricey little item back then....(about $1k us back then) |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | they also leave the transients and phasing quite unmuddied in some |
Gotcha....Oh yeah??
No way..
| quote: | | It's the I to V conversion that is done in such harmless or benign manner that really makes the transformers rock over any solid state or tube MC attempts |
No,no....
And if so, I'd like to get some sources...
| quote: | | I might be convinced otherwise, as I have not heard the best tube units yet. But even then, you open them up..and you find the transforemers inside of them! Go figure. |
Bollocks...They're one or the other...
| quote: | | So far, my ole' MC Cotter silver wound potted MC transformer has been hard to beat. |
Lucky you, probably have one of the best MC xformers...
When it comes to I/V I have a trick up my sleeve for both MCs and DACS alike...
Cheers,;) |
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| Nickolas K. |
| quote: | | Yes, good transformers tend to cost. but.. they also leave the transients and phasing quite unmuddied in some funamentally important and musical ways. It's the I to V conversion that is done in such harmless or benign manner that really makes the transformers rock over any solid state or tube MC attempts. |
Could you please enlighten the rest of us, poor miserable deaf barbarians, about "fundamentally important and musical ways"?
Could you please name any of those solid state or tube MC attempts you have compared to transformers?
| quote: | | It's always been the super low output MC units that have impressed me. but they MUST, I repeat MUST be transformer driven to reveal their true qualities. |
| quote: | | So far, my ole' MC Cotter silver wound potted MC transformer has been hard to beat. |
I don't know about the Cotter transformer, I've never had the chance to try it.
But at the time I bought my Ortofon MC7500 (a very low output cartridge - about 0.13 mV) I also bought Ortofon's T-3000, which has a gain of 32 db.
I tried the combination for a couple of months and I always thought there was some kind of softening of transients and a small lack of "sparkle" in high frequencies.
At first I thought there was something wrong with the Ortofon transformer but the sound character was the same if not worse with both the EAR and the Lyra transformers I borrowed from friends to try.
I replaced T-3000 with my old diy-battery powered Threshold M1 (20 db of gain) and the sound balanced better except that there was not enough gain to drive my power amps.
After some research I decided, thank God, to build the Ono.
After finishing construction, it took me about a week of careful listening to find the correct loading value and that was it!
So, why don't you keep an open mind and buy or build yourself a decent phono stage to compare things and stop embarassing people in this forum by being so dogmatic.
But before doing that you should get yourself a high quality TT/Arm combination and a cartridge more accurate than the cheap stuff included in the list you posted earlier on.
Regards,
Nick |
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| sreten |
| quote: | Originally posted by phibes
Hi,
Thanks for the advice and I'll certainly take it onboard. I am fully aware of the adjustment necessary with the Rega arm as I went through all that when I fitted the Shure. Whatever MC cartridge I end up with, it will be left in the arm for extended periods of time. I don't intend swapping and changing constantly. I would just like to experience a good MC cartridge after all these years using MM cartridges. Perhaps I won't like the experience as much as the Shure!
I feel the will support low output MC cartridges and incidently, I have had the Denon MC cartridges recommended to me by others who always give them a good rap.
Cheers |
I'm sure all this is helping Phibes choose a cartridge :xeye:
Its a Rega P25 turntable and an ME phono stage.
http://www.me-au.com/meriaa.html
According to the above link high-output moving coils are required
for the stand-alone pre-amp even though it has a gain switch.
The other ME preamps are either MM or MC.
The DL110 still seems a good bet for an introduction to moving coils.
I've never heard the Dynavector DV-10x4 MKII or the two Sumiko
Bluepoint models.
:) sreten. |
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| Audiofanatic |
Hi Nick,
Can you shear the M1 schematic with us?
Thanks in advance.
Audiofanatic ;) |
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| Audiofanatic |
Hi Frank,
| quote: | | Although it's true, sell the Delphi and get an NA, Jose... |
A NA? Is that a DIY one?
Thanks,
Audiofanatic ;) |
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| fdegrove |
Hi Jose,
| quote: | | A NA? Is that a DIY one? |
No, NA, Nothingham Analogue are finished TTs.
Here's the importer for the Netherlands:
ANALOGUE AUDIO
If you're looking for a kit then there's Teres, Sheu and probably some others I forget.
Cheers,;) |
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| Nickolas K. |
I have mine on paper, not in a file, but here it is as it was posted by arq_ some time ago.
Q1-Q7 in the original were MPS6571's, but MPSA18's or similar low noise NPN's will work fine (NP's words not mine).
I built mine using BC550C and if you decide to go for it match them as closely as possible.
Don't bother about the ps, replace R17 with 1K and use 2 9V batteries in series for both channels, they will last for about 6 months with heavy use.
You know, as a design it is 25+ years old but it's still unique, extremely quiet, no feedback, no loading problems, sounds fluid, lightning fast and with no grain at all.
And if it had the gain of the Ono mc stage, I don't think I would have been tempted to build the Ono.
As long as you are using a cartridge with an output >0.2mV partner it with the Pearl and you are going to be a happy man.
Regards,
Nick |
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| Audiofanatic |
Thank you!
This is the tech. data of my MC cartridge Shelter 901.
I'll try the threshold stage and let you know.
Best regards,
Audiofanatic ;) |
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| phibes |
Hi Sreten,
I have enjoyed reading some of the debate my original post has caused and I agree it has in places taken a diverse path away from my original thread. Thanks for the reviews regarding the DL-110.........it was particularly interesting to read the comments on this cartridge when used in the Rega P25.
The ME preamp is a well made and good performing phono stage when using the appropriate MM or MC cartridges. I certainly wouldn't consider using a step up transformer so I suppose some of the suggestions to use a very low output MC cartridge would simply not be a consideration. The Denon DL-110 is looking like the best option for me and especially considering the TT and phono stage I'm currently using.
Happy New Year to all and thanks for the suggestions.
Cheers |
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| planet10 |
| quote: | Originally posted by phibes
The Denon DL-110 |
I had one of those for awhile and it is, IMHO, a decent cartridge.
dave |
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| docjoe |
Hi
Has anyone any input about a denon mc cartridge, named DL H5LC? I have a japanese technical sheet but cannot read it
i am questioning about the shape of the cantilever.
japanese sites are not explicit about it and in japanese language.
thanks for any info
docjowe |
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| KBK |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nickolas K.
So, why don't you keep an open mind and buy or build yourself a decent phono stage to compare things and stop embarassing people in this forum by being so dogmatic.
Regards,
Nick |
Hmmm.... I said that I could be convinced otherwise, is that not similar enough to saying that I have an open mind?
As for the plethora of mid-rangey older catridges, well.. not all of us can afford more expensive units. Or feel it is nessessary. I hope you are not alluding to excluivism based on a given unit's price. ( I will say truthfully- that I do not think you are) I was illustrating my familiarity with cartridges, and those who can read..can read my experience with what, and glean what they need to from that. Which is quite a bit different to alluding to familiarity with high end components, but having none.
But one thing I DO have is a large experience with doing single cause analyis of component (parts) level changes and modifications to audio and video equpment, whcih can put one years ahead of one who may merely swap components (whole device), no matter what that component price range may be. And yes, I have made my own tonearm before. Right now, I'm using a modded LP12, and a mildly improved Kuzma arm. I liked the Kuzma (slightly grey and screechy as it was, but it could be easily fixed) when it came out, and bought one again recently. I like the fact that it was designed ON a Linn LP12. I am not a big fan of high mass turntables. Not at all. I also work in mechanical and acoustical noise control. Mass is generally considered to be a bad thing. I'm starting to think about buying another arm, or the awful task of designing and executing my own table. yuk. that's a LOT of work.
BTW, I would like to hear a SS MC stage that satisfys. it would be a new thing for me to hear. I've HEARD quite a few,but none have ever satisfied. All seemd a bit too 'hard'. and I am one who tends to use only SS high current amplification, so I could not be accused of being 'tube biased'. A smart person is always ready to be wrong, but is still steadfast in their opinions.
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| Audiofanatic |
Hi KBK,
Have you had the chance to listen to the PLINIUS M14 yet! This is one of the best SS phono amps I've ever heard.
Fluid, transparant, lightning fast, and extreme deep and powerfull bass. Atleast in combination with the Ortofon MC20 SUPER, the Van Den Hul MC one Special and the Shelter 901.
The price of this well build tank is around $4000.00 !
Best regards,
Audiofanatic ;) |
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| analog_sa |
| quote: | | Have you had the chance to listen to the PLINIUS M14 yet! |
It will be much more entertaining if you can post hi-res pics of the inside. Possibly both sides of the board :) |
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| Audiofanatic |
Hi,
Please look at www.diest-audio.com and click on brands and then on Plinius and then on the model and see for yourself!
The guy that owns Die-is't! is my good friend Han.
If you have any Q. You can ask him whatever you want exept the schematics. This is inpossibel to get!
Best regatds,
Audiofanatic ;) |
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| KBK |
It is a nice looking unit, with supurb build quality. I am a big advocate of 'simpler is better', after many years of experince of winding circuits and parts counts down to as low a number as possible. Every time I do this, I end up with the most natural sounding items, or devices.
The circuit looks fairly simple(Plinius), but the schematic that was listed ealier piques my interest much more. A bunch of matched devices, selected out of few dozen or so might iprove it further.
Battery powered is most appealing.
Perhaps the Plinius is of similar simplicity, but the (what is visible at least) parts count and circuit board do count in it's favor for overall 'commerical' viability and manufacturing (we can't all make our own stuff!)....but simple tends to be best! Since I work with a world class mechanical and acoustical noise control expert, making my own and building our own chassis is definitely an option. All hardwired, no circuit boards, of course. I will also investigate this 'Ono' mentioned. I hope to find something as detailed as a Low Output MC coupled to a transformer, but I'm not holding my breath. To clarify, I don't tend to like American turntables. At all. Too much mass..... not enough speed, or decay/removal of noise. They apparently took a wrong turn in their understandings of how to deal with noise control.
Since it is a Stereophile review of given product, (Fremer's opinion) I have to generally take it with an American sized gain of salt when it comes to understanding of how the sound of such devices is understood to be - by that reviewer. Everything, well almost everything, I have heard that was reviewed by that magazine tends to be rather hard sounding to my ears. The class "A" stuff in their listings tends to be particularly awful stuff in the high frequency range. I am 39, and I can still hear to 18.5k or so. Just an opinion. :) |
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| Audiofanatic |
Hi KBK,
| quote: | | I am 39, and I can still hear to 18.5k or so. Just an |
Thats nice, I'm also 39 and thought that I was the only guy in this area (Utrecht, The Netherlands) that had an ear test to findout how sensitive my ears where. I can also hear up to 19K then it goes in to a kind of irritating noice!
And my right ear is slightly better than my left one, 17.something on the left.
I wonder if there are more forum members that ever tested on high freq!
Best regards,
Audiofanatic ;) |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | I wonder if there are more forum members that ever tested on high freq! |
Yes, I had to in the context of a medical exam allowing me to join the now defunct Sabena Airlines company.
The lady doctor running the audiometric test could hardly believe the results.
I strongly believe you can train your senses and sharpen them way beyond average levels.
The blind people are a living testament of that.
Cheers, ;) |
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| sreten |
I'm in my forties and found it also comes down to loudness curves.
I have a CD with 1/3 octave warble tones. For the top tone I
needed a little more juice to hear it compared to a younger
colleague, but I could easily still hear it at lowish levels :
unlike a another colleague who appeared to have massive
hearing loss above around 8K, no wonder he likes horrendously
bright speakers. (10 years younger, hearing loss apparently
due to his military service).
Also agree with Franks musiings on the subject, one of the
frustrations with HiFi is that it seems one's ear/brain continually
improves its discrimination with practice. My HiFi, which isn't
particularly expensive, sounds faultless to most people.
(It is well balanced / tuned, and has excellent in-room bass)
I only wish I thought the same ..........
:) sreten. |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | My HiFi, which isn't particularly expensive, sounds faultless to most people. |
Because you tweaked and tuned it for best performance...
That's actually a very good point you made.
I still have to find a system that sounded at it's best without this procedure even stuff costing ten times as much needs to be chosen carefully for symbiosis and set up properly.
All that is a form of art on its own....
Cheers,;) |
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