| barry |
I can recall people cannot explain why some CD and digital cables sounds better until Wadia discovered "jittering". While we need to be alert of "snake oil", we need to open our mind for new things, especially with a growing number of reported sound improvement with Bybee Purifier.
I'm not a quantum physicist, but I'm trying use an analogy to help understand the possibility how it might work. E.g., LASER is a way to emit light in same phase and it represent a much better signal transmitting technique.
Signal on copper cable will have experience noise after travelling on the media and at electron level, they may be transmitting energy slightly out of phase, If they pass thru a very thin super conducting layer which re-synchronize the electrons that are slightly out of phase and the signal will be stengthen, clearer and the dynamic can be improved. If it is the way how it works, it is impossible to explain using filtering technique as they are totally different things. Just like you cannot explain LASER with the theory of how light bulbs works.
Unfortunately, the theory behind it is confidential and Bybee Tech cannot disclose it. I think it is not wise to rule out the possibility without looking into it. I'm considering giving it a try after consulting some user feedback. |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by barry
I can recall people cannot explain why some CD and digital cables sounds better until Wadia discovered "jittering". |
Um... Wadia discovered jitter? That's rather like saying Columbus discovered America, which came as quite a surprise to the folks who were there to greet him on the shore.
Jitter and its effects had been well known quite a few decades before Wadia came along.
| quote: | | While we need to be alert of "snake oil", we need to open our mind for new things, especially with a growing number of reported sound improvement with Bybee Purifier. |
Sure, but a growing number of reported sound improvement doesn't prove anything either. I've also seen reports of no improvement. Do those count for anything?
| quote: | I'm not a quantum physicist, but I'm trying use an analogy to help understand the possibility how it might work. E.g., LASER is a way to emit light in same phase and it represent a much better signal transmitting technique.
Signal on copper cable will have experience noise after travelling on the media and at electron level, they may be transmitting energy slightly out of phase, If they pass thru a very thin super conducting layer which re-synchronize the electrons that are slightly out of phase and the signal will be stengthen, clearer and the dynamic can be improved. If it is the way how it works, it is impossible to explain using filtering technique as they are totally different things. Just like you cannot explain LASER with the theory of how light bulbs works. |
Well, the only thing the electrons are traveling through in the Quantum Purifiers is a conventional metal film resistor.
| quote: | | Unfortunately, the theory behind it is confidential and Bybee Tech cannot disclose it. I think it is not wise to rule out the possibility without looking into it. I'm considering giving it a try after consulting some user feedback. |
While the so-called "theory" behind it may be confidential, the actual objective claims made on Bybee's website as to what they do are just plain BS. And that's what I have a problem with.
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | Well, the only thing the electrons are traveling through in the Quantum Purifiers is a conventional metal film resistor. |
If that's all they are then it would be simply a matter of measuring them, replace with the same value ordinary resistor and you end up with the same results...
Somehow I doubt it's THAT simple.
Cheers,;) |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by fdegrove
If that's all they are then it would be simply a matter of measuring them, replace with the same value ordinary resistor and you end up with the same results... |
It's a 0.02 ohm metal film resistor and the things measure 0.02 ohms.
| quote: | | Somehow I doubt it's THAT simple. |
Perhaps. But maybe it really is THAT simple. Maybe it's just a conventional 0.02 ohm metal film resistor tarted up with some ceramic tubing some heatshrink all wrapped up in a big pile of marketing BS.
They've never actually been shown to do any of the many objective things they claim to do. And as for how they work subjectively, well, literally anything, including freezing photographs of yourself can "work" in that regard.
I'm all for people using whatever works for them. Again, my problem is with BS objective claims. And on that count, Bybee makes quite a lot of them.
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| john curl |
| Bybees are real, Bybees work. Bybees are also deliberately designed to be as close to an ideal resistor as possible and to have little capacitance or inductance. This is important, and why a Bybee device will measure almost exactly like a .02 ohm resistor with conventional test equipment. However Bybee devices have been measured reducing noise with specialized test equipment. |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by john curl
However Bybee devices have been measured reducing noise with specialized test equipment. |
Great. Let's see the results.
Oh, by the way, I've asked you this before but don't recall your ever answering. Why don't you install them in your test equipment?
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| Christer |
Although I am skeptical towards the Bybees, just measuring the
resistance in them and conclude they are just an ordinary resistor
is not a very well-founded argument. There is probably more in
them than a resisitor. If this more can be measured or make an
audible difference is a different matter. |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Christer
Although I am skeptical towards the Bybees, just measuring the
resistance in them and conclude they are just an ordinary resistor
is not a very well-founded argument. There is probably more in
them than a resisitor. If this more can be measured or make an
audible difference is a different matter. |
I didn't come to any such conclusion.
I was simply saying that MAYBE they do nothing more than an 0.02 ohm metal film resistor. I haven't seen any of the objective claims made by Bybee substantiated objectively, including the claim that they reduce noise.
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| Christer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Steve Eddy
I didn't come to any such conclusion.
I was simply saying that MAYBE they do nothing more than an 0.02 ohm metal film resistor. I haven't seen any of the objective claims made by Bybee substantiated objectively, including the claim that they reduce noise.
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OK, but also note I didn't say this extra something does anything.
But maybe they do after all consist of the rare earth metals or
whatever they are claimed to, so then they do contain something
more than a resistor that maybe Bybee himself believes to have
an effect, even if it doesn't. |
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | It's a 0.02 ohm metal film resistor and the things measure 0.02 ohms. |
Short term memory problems?
| quote: | | I didn't come to any such conclusion. |
Seems to me you did...
Cheers,;) |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Christer
OK, but also note I didn't say this extra something does anything.
But maybe they do after all consist of the rare earth metals or
whatever they are claimed to, so then they do contain something
more than a resistor that maybe Bybee himself believes to have
an effect, even if it doesn't. |
Yes, they are made with a little more than a 0.02 ohm resistor. But let's go back to my original comment and its original context.
barry said:
Signal on copper cable will have experience noise after travelling on the media and at electron level, they may be transmitting energy slightly out of phase, If they pass thru a very thin super conducting layer which re-synchronize the electrons that are slightly out of phase and the signal will be stengthen, clearer and the dynamic can be improved.
The key phrase being his mentioning the electrons passing through a very thin superconducting layer (even though the QPs are not superconductive--at least not at room temperature):
I responded with:
Well, the only thing the electrons are traveling through in the Quantum Purifiers is a conventional metal film resistor.
We know that the leads of the QPs are the leads of a conventional 0.02 ohm metal film resistor. Since the QP itself measures 0.02 ohms, then the electrons must be traveling through the resistor, and not the other "stuff."
That was the point of my 0.02 ohm resistor remark.
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| fdegrove |
Hi,
| quote: | | We know that the leads of the QPs are the leads of a conventional 0.02 ohm metal film resistor. |
Yes, we all assume electrons go for the least resistance path, or do they?
I think they do which leads me to assume there more to this than pure resistance.
What that is, I don't know.
Let me tell you though that I've heard ICs that are far higher in series resistance than my pure silver ICs like ones made out of carbon fiber and even pure gold that sounded uncannilly like the real thing too.
Mind you, I like silver wire for what it can do but when you listen to gold wires you know it's not just series resistance at play.
Cheers,;) |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by fdegrove
Yes, we all assume electrons go for the least resistance path, or do they?
I think they do which leads me to assume there more to this than pure resistance.
What that is, I don't know. |
Ok.
So if we assume that electrons do indeed take the path of least resistance and virtually all of the electrons are moving through the resistor, then that pretty much just leaves the permeability and permittivity of the other "stuff" that surrounds the resistor and whatever effect it might have on the electric and magnetic fields.
| quote: | | Let me tell you though that I've heard ICs that are far higher in series resistance than my pure silver ICs like ones made out of carbon fiber and even pure gold that sounded uncannilly like the real thing too. |
"The real thing" being what? Sorry, it's not clear to me what you're referring to.
| quote: | | Mind you, I like silver wire for what it can do but when you listen to gold wires you know it's not just series resistance at play. |
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Sure. Like I'd mentioned in another thread, I've been experimenting with copper/nickel alloy resistance wires and getting results I wouldn't quite have expected.
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| mrfeedback |
"Sure. Like I'd mentioned in another thread, I've been experimenting with copper/nickel alloy resistance wires and getting results I wouldn't quite have expected."
Ok, what kind of objective results ?.
What kind of subjective results ?.
What results did you expect ?.
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| SY |
A couple of comments: first off, it's useless to talk about electrons flowing through wires. This is AC.
Second, I've seen a partially disassembled Bybee. There is more in there than just the resistor. That's not to say that the other stuff actually does anything, but it is in there. |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by SY
A couple of comments: first off, it's useless to talk about electrons flowing through wires. This is AC. |
They still flow. Just that they flow bidirectionally. :)
| quote: | | Second, I've seen a partially disassembled Bybee. There is more in there than just the resistor. That's not to say that the other stuff actually does anything, but it is in there. |
Yes, I know. It has a conventional 0.02 ohm metal film resistor covered up by some metal end caps on a ceramic tube and some... "stuff" that's painted on the ceramic tube. Oh, and heatshrink.
But, as a pointed out, seeing as it measures 0.02 ohms even with all the other stuff, it's the resistor that the electrons are conducting through and not the other stuff.
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| mrfeedback |
"Second, I've seen a partially disassembled Bybee. There is more in there than just the resistor. That's not to say that the other stuff actually does anything, but it is in there."
Hi Stuart,
What kind of 'other stuff' is in the QP ?.
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| SY |
| quote: | | What kind of 'other stuff' is in the QP ?. |
I don't know. I've only seen this, not analyzed it. |
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| mrfeedback |
Hi Stuart,
What does it look like, I mean.
Light/dark coloured powder, etc. ?.
Any guesses as to what it might be ?.
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| SY |
Wouldn't want to guess. I can tell you what it's NOT: it's not anything with "Cooper Pairs" or anything that's "near-superconductive." That sort of claim is fraudulent on the face of it (as anyone with a minimum understanding of BCS theory will immediately appreciate)- except that the term "near-superconductive" doesn't really have any meaning. I suppose I could call my toenails "near superconductive" if I wanted to.
If you want an analysis, buy one, send it to me, and I'll do some analysis. |
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| Steve Eddy |
| quote: | Originally posted by SY
If you want an analysis, buy one, send it to me, and I'll do some analysis. |
Oh, don't tell us. You've also got a gas chromatograph to go along with your fancy schmancy electron microscope, right? :D
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| pinkmouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by SY
If you want an analysis, buy one, send it to me, and I'll do some analysis. |
Ahh, but it's "Quantum", innit... The mere act of observation will change the results...:D |
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| SY |
| Sorry, pm, I looked for your post and it was already somewhere else. |
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