| Hello from Bangalore, India - Click HERE for Original Thread |
| gjo |
;) Hi Folks
I live in Bangalore, India, have been bitten by the audio bug for about 4 years now. I have made my own speaker systems, one a two way and a couple of MTMs, as well as two powered subs. I also have made a ss preamp and the AKSA ss power amp, as well as a tube amp. I visit the US every year and bring components past the customs guys, who dont know anything about these things!
Any of you Bangalore guys, do get in touch!
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| dhaen |
Hi Gjo,
You'll like the forum, I'm sure.:)
Please pop over tho the Tubes forum and tell us about your tube (valve) amp.
Cheers, |
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| gjo |
Hi Dhaen
My tube amp is a kit that I got into india in bits and pieces. Its a Welborne Labs 35 wpc push pull design, sounds very good when it works, but it was a bit more complex that I assumed it would be when I ordered it, and I bungled up a bit while assembling it. It's had some teething troubles, and I have had to get n ss amp as a back up(the AKSA).
I will be posting on a thread about some information or assitance I need about a plate sub amp that has atranformer problem-this is a 250watts amp which needs a new transformer or I need to get the old one rewound. I dont have any specs on the tranny( Taiwanse barnd amp) and will start looking for help as soon as I am free. I am also completing my HT speakers, and Audax design from Joe D'Appolito-the centre channel is done, I have to sit and assemble the Main L-R..
This is an expensive and time consuming hobby!
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| dhaen |
George,
| quote: | | This is an expensive and time consuming hobby! |
It certainly is! But we have the choice ;)
Yes, please do come over to the Tube forum. We have a lot of combined knowledge and enthusiasm there.
Cheers, |
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| Tony.ca |
Hi dhaen,
good to hear that someone from bangalore is into this diy stuff.I am from bangalore too and into mostly the speaker diy . would love to get a kit for the tube amp and assemble it. Anyway I live in toronto now,and havin fun building speakers I had build a 12" shiva sub with dual 15" passive radiators , boy they rock.
Anyway good luck to you and hey I am from Cantonment in B'lore.
have fun ;) |
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| Tony.ca |
It should have been HI GEORGE and not Dhaen
Anyway have fun dhaen too:devilr: |
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| gjo |
Hi Tony
I live near Cooke Town, not too far from the ITC factory.!
Yes, I have also heard good things about the Shiva driver-I bought my second 12 inch driver from Lambda Acoustics, and use a single 15 inch PR.Both these drivers were offered on the basslist at intrroductory special pricing a few years ago. Getting one more PR would have been nice, but I got slammed for Customs for it and decided one would do! The Lambda sub is also very good, it's mated to a 175 watts plate amp.
Problem for us folks here is that anything imported attracts 80-100% customs duty, so I have to get these bits and pieces in when I come on work to the US every year. Fortunately the Customs guys dont know head or tail about components, and a Scanspeak or Raven tweeter is just another piece of metal for them..Even preamps and power amp kits can come in this way without attracting their notice.
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| ashok |
| quote: | | Even preamps and power amp kits can come in this way without attracting their notice. |
Don't be too sure about this. I have come across customs officers with detailed knowledge about electronics. Times have changed.
And they have the Internet too------------!
Do you know that if they want they can charge you duty on every individual component you have? Then you really get slammed and it can turn out to be very expensive.
Generally they ignore most of these things unless they are TV or video camera and gold related. So always be nice and NEVER argue. Always plead !! You are not in the drivers seat .
With an allowance of about US$250/- you can get away with many things ( worth more than that).
Makes DIY even more exciting in India!
Have fun.
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| Vivek |
Hi George,
I am from Bangalore (Malleswaram). Welcome to this forum.
Cheers, |
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| gjo |
Ashok
I dont dispute that there may be guys working for Customs who know a lot..
OTOH, I am speaking from the experience of having brought in about 25 small drivers-mids and tweeters and two large 12 inch subs over the past 4 years, when by and large no one who is knowledgable about these things has hassled me. The drivers have been Scanspeaks, Focals, Audax, Raven etc. With regard to the internet, I havent yet come across a Customs guy sitting at the arrival lounge at Bombay or Bangalore with a PC connected to the internet having the skills to browse and catch incoming passengers so far..I have also brought in at least 6 kit amps/modules in bits and pieces.If the product is branded box-I brought some Onkyo gear-then you will get nabbed for sure!
I wouldnt worry too much about the $250 allowance, I usually bring in at least $800-1000 worth of stuff each time, I have done this every year for the past 4-5 years!
Again, it is possible in the future that they may clamp down..
Vivek, call me sometime at 5478460, we can meet up!
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| Tony.ca |
hey george,
which school did you go to john's germans or...................I was very popular on mosque road with my motorbikes somes years back. had jumped off the bridge and landed on the maruti too .kinda crazi hah. Anyway just wanted to let you know you can build the passive radiators by yourself just find a 15" blown speaker and buy the foam surround and diaphram. I built it myself and works great. have fun.
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| gjo |
Hi Tony
I was at St Joseph's (European's), but still recall the hockey matches in the late 1960s against Germain's and St Johns..I completed my ISC in 1969 and went to St Joseph's College.Bangalore then was avery different place though.
My wife and I go for a walk each morning via Mosque Road, Coles Road and Wheeler Road. Of course depending on when you left Bangalore, I could say that the traffic has increased!
George |
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| Tony.ca |
hi george,
man I was'nt even born when you finished ur school. I finished in 87,that means ur a senior. my friend owns the pub on coles road called sherlock holmes. I left to australia in 90 and now am in canada. I don't know if you remeber the liquor shop on coles road facing mosque road, my mate used to live upstairs and we used to hang around there.my parents still live in b'lore on narayana pillai street.May be this year I will be there on a vacation and will say hello.It's nice to see a bangalorean and am one of them too.
bye for now,
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| AKSA |
George,
Quite a pleasure to see you safely home with the AKSA in your suitcase!
With all the English names of streets in Bangalore, I find myself wondering at the influence of the Poms, particularly with the melodic, vowel-rich Indian name options. Of course, we in Australia can talk, all our names are Pommy (even mine, dammit!).
If you need assistance building the AKSA, remember, I'm just an email away......
Cheers,
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| gjo |
Hi Hugh
Good to hear from you!
Yes, the Pommies( and during WWII, the Tommies) left legacies and offspring( many illegitimate) all over the world! Bangalore being about 1000 metres above sea level has a very good climate throughout the year, and many Britishers in the days before Indian Independence loved this place. The 135 year old Bangalore United Services Club, the names of many streets and localities, like Richmond Town, Langford Town, Fraser Town and so on, even today attest to the past. I recall my father talking about the days during WWII-he was an army colonel, who was commissioned into the Indian Army as a second lieutenant 1943, recalling the Tommies- their cockney accents sounded almost like a foreign language!!
My sons have hijacked the AKSA 55 watts amp which I built and are enjoying it during their summer holidays which end soon-I can then reclaim it.
Best regards
George
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| Vivek |
I feel so proud of being a Bangalorean, especially since our city is tipped to be one of the most advanced in the future.
George,
My father did his B.Com from St Joseph's College in 1969. Did you study in the commerce college?
Tony,
Was that the same pub that had a Sherlock Holmes Club? My father (a journalist) tried to find the whereabouts of the club but he was told the club had wound up. If you can pass on any info mabye I can write something about it. I want to write about something other than sports.
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| gjo |
Hi Vivek
I agree with you about Bangalore. It is also one of the best Indian cities to live in. I was in St Joseph's in 1970-73, did Economics Hons, then went on to B-school at XLRI, Jamshedpur
The Sherlock Holmes pub is at one end of Coles Road-the end away from the Railway line, and towards Wheeler Road, near Sindhi Colony. During some mega sports events they get a projector for their patrons enjoyment.
Tony:
Let me know your Sherlock Holmes pub friend's name, I will drop by and say hello! I live very close by-maybe 1 1/2kms away and is on my way to work.
Regards
George
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| Vivek |
Hi,
There is an AV Expo in Bangalore on June 20 and 21. Don't miss it.
Vivek |
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| gjo |
Hi Vivek
Why dont you email me offlist at gjo@dtsam.com? We can plan to synchronise our visit to this show. I am out of town on the 18/19th, return on the 20th. 21st is a better day for me if that works for you
Regards
George |
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| Tony.ca |
hey george,
the guys name is Diwa and also give my regards to prem is he still hangs around there.Ask Diwa,if he still remebers PRAKASH from SYDNEY australia (prem's and clements friend).
Thanx,
Tony or Prakash;) |
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| corbato |
| quote: | Originally posted by AKSA
[B..With all the English names of streets in Bangalore, I find myself wondering at the influence of the Poms..[/B] |
Hugh,
My city Jamshedpur is a bit different. We are all Jerry! This place saw lot of German investment in the early 50's led by Mercedes Benz. So we have Stuttgart Rd, Daimler Benz Rd, Manheim Rd etc. Unlike other Indian cities we have not taken to large scale renaming of old streets/places. In fact as recent as 1994 a major, and beautiful, thoroughfare was named Hans Stoer Rd after the memory of the 1st GM of the Benz plant in this city.| quote: | Originally posted by gjo
....then went on to B-school at XLRI, Jamshedpur
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George
I take comfort from that Jsr connection.
Do you remember Glendy's nightclub that was located at Inner Circle Rd? During your tenure that must have been a roaring place. Sadly it closed down a few years ago after Glendy hit the bucket.
Do you visit Jsr in connection with your Alumni reunions and such? At times I'm asked by XL to address their MDP participants to provide an industry perspective.
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| gjo |
Hi Tony
I'll drop by at Sherlock Holmes and connect up and convey your best to your pals there!
Ashok
Great to hear from someone in Jamshedpur, even better someone with an XL connection! I still have fond memories of that place in the early 70's. Franks was our pit stop of choice in those days, with a couple of other watering holes called Kohinoor and Natraj(upmarket). I dont recall Glendys. The Boulevard Hotel run by Ronnie D"Costa's folks was also there.
I was there from 73-75 for my MBA. The class of 75 organised the first of the Silver Jubilee Reunions in 2000, when about 40+ of our batch got together. You may recall that event if you were there during that time. It was great fun for many of us who hadnt visited XL since 1975. I had the oportunity to return a couple of times, once in 1978 and another time in 2000, when I talked to the Director about our planned Reunion.
We have avery well organised and close knit Alumni Association in Bangalore which organises regular events with large numbers attending.
I plan a trip to JSR sometime this year or early next year, if possible. Would love to meet up with you. Are you with Tisco or Telco?
Regards
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| AKSA |
Ashok, George,
I find this fascinating; from a Western viewpoint India is such a culturally and linguistically diverse place, with seemingly limitless ability to absorb other cultures. My wife's country, Indonesia, is not so different, with many common features, and a delightful, tolerant fatalism which I find most appealing.
Most westerners have no idea of the relative affluence and global view of your middle classes, which probably rival the US in number. And the awareness of western culture and ready acceptance of technology - and particularly the incredible maths education you seem to have in India - these are remarkable qualities. A favorite film of mine was EM Forsters's 'A Passage to India', which captured the mystical ethos very nicely, I thought.
Ah, the Germans! They were everywhere! Did you know they opened up the aviation industry in Papua New Guineau in the 1920s (gold mining), and used that country as a testing ground for their aircraft development, at least until the collapse of the Weimar Republic...
Cheers,
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| corbato |
George
Frank’s continues to be my choice for a good chopsuey. They moved to a more upmarket location in 77 or 78. The old character is gone but a few quaint details have survived that move. William’s young son now runs the show. Natraj WoW. The food was great. Way back I saw my fist floorshow in that place. That was a big night I recall. Usha Uthup and Pam Crain crooning in the background. Kohinoor is gone. Replaced by a more politically correct joint called The Midtown. As thrlling as an enema of cactus grindings. Such places are now more geared to serve the dotcom kids. I really don’t have a problem with that, but it has come at a cost of better places of yore.
Ronnie is a friend. He has several entertainment joints in addition to the big Boulevard. The best place to get your plate of Kidney Pie. He continues in XL faculty. I know ‘bout the 2000 reunion. I heard you guys danced till 8 AM !
I know the current Director quite well. He is involved in an Engineering educational institution that we are promoting. Do let me know when you plan to be in Jsr. My email is aks @ ialgroup.com and phone is 9835134994. Perhaps we can have a drink or two from that little bottle of cheer that I’m saving up for such an occasion :drunk:
Hugh,
We natives are like this only :)
But seriously you quite accurately sum up the scenario. Tolerant fatalism – just the right word. I continue to be amazed by little, incredible acts happening around us. Each pushing and pulling as apart, and yet on a rebound making us such a sticky bunch of people.
Indians might be good with maths. But I nearly flunked all my math’s tests. Quite perplexing considering I learnt to use a Slide Rule quite early.
I keep reading only good things about the AKSA and the its cult following. I have also enjoyed your postings here and elsewhere. Please accept my appreciation for the honest commitment you bring to this line. Do hope to have the pleasure of owning your creation one day. |
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Alright, I'm from Jamshedpur too. Is this weird or what???
Grew up in the Kaiser bungalows (there, another German name) around Kadma/CH Area, went to Loyola, then IIT KGP, then worked in Gurgaon for a while and now I'm in California. I've spent many nights in the XL campus indulging my vices, watched one OMAXI initiation ceremony and was very impressed :) |
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| jackinnj |
Bangalore was my jumping off point -- this is going to be one of the great cities of the world within 10 years, a bet which I would prop rupees for dollars.
interesting on the popular US TV Program "60 Minutes" they had a great 15 minute story on IIT -- seems that the people who get rejected by IIT wind up going to Princeton and Stanford!
The pic below is my most memorable image of Indian Technology. If anyone asks... |
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| Vivek |
Now, I am a proud Indian.
Vivek |
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| Fantastic |
Dont be proud !
"Pride goes before a fall."
Be "Happy .....................". |
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| jackinnj |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fantastic
Dont be proud !
"Pride goes before a fall."
Be "Happy .....................". |
I think that in the KJV it's actually "Pride cometh before a fall."
The picture I displayed on Konaraak is actually referencing some 10th or 12th century metalurgy -- there are enormous iron pillars to the right of the temple as you see it -- the metalurgy to melt that much iron that long ago is indeed impressive. Somewhere I have a picture to dig out.
btw, the "Wheeled Temple at Konaraak" was in a state of collapse when the British arrived -- they shored the structure up by filling the inside with rubble. |
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| Vivek |
At least, I am proud of the Konarak temples as others have been over the centuries. And they still haven't fallen.
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| gjo |
Hi Vivek
I went for the AV show last Saturday, huge crowds and it was difficult to move around Le Meridien. I was looking for the QSC amps booth, but after doing some rounds lost interest.. I didnt know that there were some demo rooms on the second floor, found that out later! Overall a bit disappointing, but for many people who had no exposure to HT it must have been fun..I read that Bangalore has a lot more activity in HT than some other larger cities.
Saurav:
Good to get another XL connection! I visited some buddies at IIT KGP in the 70's when I was at XL. Bistupur, Circuit House and walking through Jubilee Park after the late night movies etc was our usual beat. OMAXI and wet nights were rituals that evolved after my time.
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George,
I missed the show as I was too busy at work (journalists have no weekends at all). Also I think there was very little for DIYers from what Ajju has said. And the big companies showing off their stuff taking the public for idiots irritates me. The only thing bigger than their wattage ratings are the price tags of the systems they sell. For the non-DIYer crowd, the show must have been fantastic. |
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| navin |
| hey guys wanna start a wiki on indian DIY? |
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| corbato |
yeh WIKI, WIKI kya hai? Agar kuch accha hai to hum bhi shaamil ho jayenge :)
Navin boss ko apan salam pahunche. |
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| navin |
| mujhe bhi malum nahin yeh wiki diki kya hai. main socha ki koi desi techie ko maulm hoga. thoda taklif hoga yeh wiki chalu karneka. parantu ek bar chalu ho gya to desi DIYer ke liye bhalla hoga. |
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| sunil |
Hi gjo,
Sunil here, I'm from Bangalore & live near Cooke's town as you mentioned. Let's catch up sometime.
Cheers,
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| corbato |
George (or GJO – the initiator of this thread) was recently in Jamshedpur visiting his alma mater XLRI. To celebrate this event, we went to a Dhaba* just outside Jamshedpur city for a round of drinks and food. Pictures follow:
It was fantastic to have spent some time with George. FWIW George is President of Software company in Banglore (India’s silicon valley). He is a very accomplished individual and a very modest man. A great company. His sons have inherited George’s fine taste in audio and golf. George presented a fine 12 year old Single Malt that needs a special occasion to celebrate. Thanks George for visiting Jsr.
*Dhaba’s dot India’s highways where truckers usually stop for food, drinks and rest. They are very cheap places to have great and rustic type of Indian cuisine. But Dhaba’s are changing with the times. Nowadays Dhaba’s, especially those near big cities, are a fine getaway. People drive long distances to reach one, where most modern creature comforts await them. For instance the one we went to had 3 types of cuisine, Swimming Pool, Disco, Snooker, Internet and other assorted bells and whistles. Obviously Truckers don’t stop at this kinds of cyber dhaba’s.
- My wife Yogita, George and sons cheering DIYFORUM - |
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| gjo |
Ashok
I thought I sent off a reply but it seems to have got lost in cyberspace!
Anyway a big thank you to both you and Yogita for the excellent hospitality at Jamshedpur on Sunday as well as the other courtesies. In the midst of all the fellwoship(hic) I lost sight of the opportunity to listen to your SE valve amp..Anyway, to all the other DIYers in India, Jamshedpur is very very different fromt he run of the mill Eastern Indian towns-very well maintained by Tisco's Town Planning Division, two excellent golf courses, a variety of eating places, petrol costs only Rs 32.lt(Bangalore is 36 +) etc.
Ashok, look forward to hosting you here and auditioning my system.
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| angshudas |
Great photos. I was wondering where Navin had seen them. I had to search through George's post to find them.
Ashok I have heard about this Dhaba. I have not been there but recently my wife visited the place. I am really tempted to come to Jamshedpur. My inlaws keep cribbing, now I have an excuse not to avoid them.
This camaraderie among DIYers is great.
Hey George, I am also a like minded guy and young at heart, do give me a call 9810088356 when you are in Delhi next. You can audition my bad system.
Angshu
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Hi Angshu
I dont travel too much, but have done a bit in the past 2 months..
Anyway, talking of dhabas, I can assure you that Jamshedpur's dhaabas are not dhabas, but upmarket resorts-one is the place we went to with Ashok and Yogita, called Hill View. It has rooms, a dance floor, indoor restaurant, swimming pool, and a huge lawn, off the main highway, so you cant see what is there from the main entrance until you actually come in. The music playing was Dire Straits, Eagles, Bon Jovi etc.
The other place where I went for lunch last Sunday at Jamshedpur( this is diagonally opposite to Hill View) is called the Tenth Milestone-it has an a/c bar, rooms, a conference hall, children's play area etc and many families come there for a family outing according to Ashok. When we left at around 2.15 after lunch I counted about 25-30 cars in the car park-a measure of it's popularity.
On the wine list were 12 year old Scotch whiskies like Black Dog and Something Special-stuff that you wont see in ordinary dhabas. Payment by credit card is accepted-this on the Ranchi highway! So you guys who haven't been yet, there check it out, both are strongly recommended. Food is excellent-we enoyed the lachha paranthas, and kababs, though I suspect the veggie stuff may not be quite as good!
Now back to audio-would be more than happy to do an audition of your speakers if I visit Delhi. Should you be visiting Bangalore, do let me know. There is another friend here who is also into this hobby-he built an ACI Titan powered sub using a 10 inch driver, downfiring. His system consists of Audiolab transport/DAC/amp with DIY speakers, also has built a Northcreek Music Systems Borealis speaker system using Scanspeak mids and tweeters,(this is quite similar to one of my speaker systems) as well as Quad Electrostatics and a Quad amp.
Regards
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| angshudas |
| quote: | Originally posted by gjo
Should you be visiting Bangalore, do let me know. There is another friend here who is also into this hobby-he built an ACI Titan powered sub using a 10 inch driver, downfiring. His system consists of Audiolab transport/DAC/amp with DIY speakers, also has built a Northcreek Music Systems Borealis speaker system using Scanspeak mids and tweeters,(this is quite similar to one of my speaker systems) as well as Quad Electrostatics and a Quad amp.
Regards
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Hi George,
Audio can pull me anywhere. I visit Bangalore couple of times a year, I will not miss the opportunity to audition the lovely system you write about. Hope your friend does not mind the invasion. Someone owning a Quad is worth a visit.
I did dabble a bit trying to build ESLs, have not been too successful, Can't get over with it, plan to embark again.
Any one else in India played around with ESLs.
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Angshu
Mahendra Palesha who make powered subwoofers in Pune is a guy you should talk to. His subs are barnded Palesha and Sonoku or Sonuku. He knows the people at Cadence, who make ESLs IIRC. Mahendra is a very nice guy, I have met him at Pune and he took out me to a very nice ethnic Rajput/Marwari thali joint one night(Okay, now let me confess, I am a foodie!).
My friend here in Bangalore has packed uo his quads, he doesnt listen to them these days, but since the only ESLs I have heard are Martin Logans, in the US, a few years ago I can try and persuade him to unwrap these of you are here!
Let me know if you want to connect up with Mahendra-he is into car subs, but I think also has a tie up with Cadence for his subs which they sell with their ESLs. 12 inch bandpass units IIRC with 100 watts amps. He also sells subs directly to customer.
I'm pushing for the Bangalore IT.Com show now
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| how do you rate the drivers of MP's 12"? I think we can convince him to sell DIYers his woofers if he realises we are genunine end customers. it might solve the need for a sub driver. thenif we can integrates this with teh bolton 6" i hear about and the peerless 1" some of us might be able to avoid the hassles of importing |
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| AKSA |
It is a pleasure to see you guys socializing!
And George, your legs are sensational!! (Or was that perhaps your jokes??)
As we all play host to the very same audiophile virus, it is perhaps a great pity that others from different continents cannot meet to compare symptoms.......
Cheers,
Hugh
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| quote: | Originally posted by gjo
Angshu
He knows the people at Cadence, who make ESLs IIRC. Mahendra is a very nice guy, I have met him at Pune and he took out me to a very nice ethnic Rajput/Marwari thali joint one night(Okay, now let me confess, I am a foodie!).
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George,
No need to confess. We audiophiles have refined taste. Meet another of your tribe. Food and Music keeps me going, there are other things too, better I discuss that off line!!!
Many years back I had lovely stakes at the 'Ónly Place' in Brigade road. They are not there any more, have they closed down or moved out.
I have heard the Cadence ESLs, and I like them. They have done a marvelous job. I only wished they built a larger ESL and crossed their woofer below 500Hz instead of 1KHz. Cadence responded very well with my feedback and has sent me reviews and articles about them. I plan to visit Pune in the near future and visit their audition room.
I don't mind meeting Mahendra Palesha since you say he is a nice guy, (strange ! I seem to like all nice guys) may be I will let you know when I visit Pune. I build my own sub and amps, so he may not have a commercial interest in knowing me.
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| gjo |
Hi Hugh
Here I am in Bangalore, India telling some of our tribe here that they can come to my place to audition an Australian amp. Well, glad you enjoy some of the funnies:D Any more AKSA owners in our neck of the woods as yet?
Navin: I havent yet listened to Mahendra's subs, so I cant comment. IIRC he told me that he gets the drivers from Taiwan. No idea about the driver specs.
Angshu: Mahendra is a very good host, and it makes no diff whether you make your subs(as also I do) or not! Let me know when you plan your visit to Pune, I will locate his phone number or I will email him and get it. OPs closed down but their cooks are active at another eatery called Lazio where they still make good steaks. I'll be happy to take you there when you are here next!
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Angshu
The Only Place has re-opened recently, about 3/4 kms away from where they used to be earlier. On your next trip here, if you let me know in advance we can gocheck out their steaks!
Rgds
George |
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Vivek
I plan to set up a listening session at my place shortly. Let me know if Sunday Dec 7th sounds ok for you. I wil try and have two pairs of speakers and two amps set up.
George |
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| ashok |
Hi George,
I am in Bangalore for two days. I'm leaving by Brindavan on Sunday. Will you be having the session later in the day ?
Would be good to listen to the system.
If I can contact you , let me know the number.
You can email me at amadhavan(at)eth.net
The @ has been replaced in an effort to cut down spam. I sometimes get over 100 spam emails in a day !
Cheers.
Ashok. |
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| angshudas |
| quote: | Originally posted by gjo
Angshu
The Only Place has re-opened recently, about 3/4 kms away from where they used to be earlier. On your next trip here, if you let me know in advance we can gocheck out their steaks!
Rgds
George |
George, that is one more reason to visit Bangalore soon.
Thanks,
Angshu |
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George,
No more yet, but working on it! Sunil Jocelyn, from Bangalore and working for the Australian ANZ Bank, will be meeting up with me in Melbourne later in 2004; you might look him up, nice guy, born in India, raised in Middle East, really interesting background with IT skills.
I will let you know when each and every AKSA is fired up in India!! You could start a club!!
And George, now you need a hybrid GK-1 preamp!
Cheers,
Hugh |
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Ashok
You can call me at home 5473007/5478460. I plan the session at around 11 AM Sunday at my house, with two power amps-a 35 wpc tube push pull and the 55 wpc solid state AKSA. The speakers are an MTM using Focal mids and Raven R1 tweeters, and apowered sub with a 12 inch driver, passive radiator and a 250watts mono amp.
I have a farily decent assortments of CDs , and beer is on the house!
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| gjo |
Hi Hugh
I have been a bit busy on the work front lately, not much time for audio. I plan to upgrade my Welborne Labs amp with Caddocks and Multicaps, which I have had for the past 6 months, as well as complete my Audax HT speaker system.
I've been eyeing a tube amp for some time, but I think it's best to get these incomplete projects finished before taking up anything new!
In the meantime we look forward to India's tour of Australia..
Regards
George |
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| gjo |
Namskara
I plan to be in Hyderabad on Monday Jan 19th, for some work, I will have some time in the evening before my flight back, and if any of you knows any enthusiast there, would love to touch base.
Now that the New Year has come, do let me know if anyone has plans to visit Bangalore..I have just ordered a tube preamp from the US as my latest toy( Grounded Grid from Transcendent Sound) Hope to have it up and running by March end, depending on how it gets ferried across to apna desh.
Regards
George
P.S. Ashok Madhavan(if you see this), I had dinner recently with NR Venkatesh when he was here-he's now back in Geneva. He talked with great enthu about the good old days when you guys were at IIT. |
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| corbato |
Angshu is going to be in Jamshedpur starting tonight. Therefore, the weekend promises to be interesting with this Guru. George if you are reading this then take heart. Angshu and I we will be appreciating, and cheering your good health with that fine bottle of single you gave me last time. :drink:
Also FWIW I offer to copy and send to interested Indian DIYers here the “GJO Sound Testing and Auditioning CD”. IMO it is a must have for anybody who seriously considers himself an audio tweaker. Anybody interested just send your contact detail. CD copy will be done in Yamaha “Audio Master” setting.
This CD offer is free. And any copywriter issues may kindly be referred to George, as he is the original culprit ;)
Hugh:
Ahh them Oz's.. :headbash: Imazine a Six in the last over. Never knew Brett Lee could bat too :bawling: |
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Hi Ashok from the other Ashok .
It would be great to have a copy of the compiled CD.
I am making one of my own which I can offer when it is done.
This promises to be really interesting as we can have the same music to test and so have some meaningful comparison of systems without being there !
How will you get it across to Chennai ? Or do I pick it up from Bangalore ? I can send you my address off line.
Thanks.
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| ashok |
Hi George,
Venky was my classmate in college. Yes we had a great time.
No matter how much we try we cannot replicate the fun we had those days. We had tons of great music. Those were the days ..!
Will meet you when I come to Bangalore next. Will keep you informed.
Cheers,
Ashok. |
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| corbato |
| quote: | Originally posted by ashok
Hi Ashok from the other Ashok .
How will you get it across to Chennai ? Or do I pick it up from Bangalore ? I can send you my address off line.
Thanks.
Cheers. |
Oh dear ! So fast? You lurk in this forum round the clock or what !! I thought the gentry in Chennai hits the bed by 7:30Pm.
Just email me your contact detail. I will courier it by next Monday. ;) |
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| Appolito |
| Whewwwwww!!!! OK, first of all, as cynical as i am, i need to confess something. I never, ever believed there was any serious interest for hi-fi in India, and didn't imagine seeing an Indian in a hi-fi forum and DEFINITELY not so many and boy by the end of thread it appears like these guys know each other (albeit in a round-about way) and looks like theyve already swapped lottsa stuff and mebbe even a coupla swigs! (i know, i know, im a CYNIC!) Anyways nice to know I've got company closeby. Well a little bout me, ive been a closet audiophile (imaginary too!) for the last 10 years maybe, never could muster enough moola for a decent sound rig and have been salivating, fantasising and drooling over old hi-fi mags (mostly HFH&RR, Stereophile) and listening to my Discman, closing my eyes and imagining it to be a rig with Mark Levinsons pumping out through Watt Puppys! Whew! Of late ive been planning to build myself a decent pair of speakers and been scouring the net for the info, when i bumped into here. Anyways I didnt go through the posts and Im sure ill get most of the info im looking for. Cheers folks! |
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| gjo |
Ashok and Angshu
Have a couple on me when you meet! Good to know that you guys are getting together soon. Angshu, Ashok will, no doubt take you to one of the notable watering holes on the Ranchi highway-the 10th Milestone-great place, with some class parantha lawabdar! I will take you to The Only Place which has reopened here. I hear the food is good, though prices have been marked up a bit. Their Chateaubriand steak was without parallel.
Ashok Madhavan:
Look forward to meeting you on your next trip here. BTW, Venky plans to be here in summer.
Appolito:
Welcome. Joe! I have two MTM systems designed by you-the AriaR and the Audax HT system! The small group of us is like drops of rain on land parched of anything, and I am confident we will nurture this hobby.
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| navin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Appolito
Of late ive been planning to build myself a decent pair of speakers and been scouring the net for the info, when i bumped into here. Anyways I didnt go through the posts and Im sure ill get most of the info im looking for. Cheers folks! |
1. u cant be THE Joe as in Joe D'applolito. can u?
2. your IP says you are not in India.
3. ref; your speaker. do yo have any palns, requirements, budget?
lastly welcome to the dark side. dont say u weren't warned. |
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| navin |
| In Joe, you are in the land of OZ! |
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| gjo |
Navin
I was just kidding!
I have exchanged emails with the real Joe D'Appolito, when I was constructing my Audax HT speaker system, though. This guy has an Indian flag, he must be a local, maybe a PIO in Australia.
Ashok/Angshu
Spelling correction-should read laccha paranthas at The 10th Milestone. As a regular Ashok will probably know the specialities if the house there far better!
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| Appolito |
:bigeyes: I cant believe ppl mistook me for Joe Appolitto! I wish I was though! Well, u guys seem to be a friendly bunch in here.
navin:
I am in India actually, going by the IP dont work ALL the time I guess.
Thank you for your interest, I am looking for the following in my speakers and would be glad for any advice you might have and possible links in this forum which might be essential to me.
Detail and imaging are of utmost importance. I would like my music to be as clean as possible. According to whatever I have read and known, the following would be the characteristics:
1. 3-way floor-stander - Preferably with a good set of drivers like Dynaudio, Scanspeak or Vifa with 150W handling and response characteristics in the range of 40Hz-22KHz. (Something under 3 foot height with the size of the drivers around 6", 4.5" and 1.5") I am basing them on reviews and feature list of speakers like the Soliloquy 5.3, the Axiom Millenia M60ti, and the Mission m35.
2. Cabinet made of 3/4" wood veneer, braced and filled with sound-absorbent. The veneer would be suitably treated to make it as non-porous as possible. The reason for not going the MDF route is that, I would like my speakers to have a nicer finish than that would be possible with MDF. Though I am not looking at matching that of Sonus Fabers, it should atleast match, say the Axioms (maybe i'm asking a lil 2 much huh?)
3. Cost is of no issue - in the sense that I dont mind spending a little more than what one might usually look at spending for a DIY 3-way floorstander.
4. The primary use for the speakers will music with the odd movie thrown in. On the other hand, I am very much interested in moving onto a DVD-Audio and SACD system in the future. Keeping this in mind, after the 3-way, I am planning to get the centers, surrounds and quite possibly the sub to built. So the 3-way should also quite fit in the role of a HT setup.
5. OK, this is the irritating bit, my musical tastes are quite varied to say the least. My fave artistes range from Tschaikovsky, Bach, Strauss, to Sepultura, Dream Theater, Led Zeppelin and Metallica with Pink Floyd, The Police, Alan Parsons Project, Eric Clapton, Blues Brothers, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, Satchmo, Bob Marley, UB40, Jarre, Vangelis, Garth Brooks, filling the gaps with a good measure of Ol' school rap, Country music thrown in. As you can see, the speakers DO NOT have their work cut out! That is the reason why I am looking for an 3-way floorstander.
Issues at hand:
1. I do not have any 3-way speaker design that I have in mind currently that I have reviews about and certainly not one that is a part of a HT system.
2.I do not know if I can source good quality drivers like the Danish ones. Also I am not sure if the quality of the components for the crossover that I can get off the shelf would be good enough.
3.The characteristics that I have stated above are the ones that I THINK should be possible and am not very sure if there are any pit-falls in them, as I have not undertaken any projects before.
PHEW! even I am tired. Sorry to make you guys go through the entire song and dance. If and when we meet up, Ill get you guys a drink!
;)
I would deeply appreciate your valuable inputs/guidance/chiding from navin and the other. Thanks a lot guys Cheers! |
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| gjo |
DAppolito
You may want to look at 2-ways reinforced with a powered sub rather than 3-ways. I have three two ways and a couple fo 12 inch powered subs and I find that the sub-sat approach works well for me.
Also, the external finish can be decided independent of using MDF for the raw enclosure. All my enclosures are done in MDF, and then given the final finish, which could be veneer or solid wood, I usually use solid wood for the front baffle and corner moulding.
If you go for two ways, you may be able to source the drivers from abroad, because the tweeters and mids arent too bulky. Scanspeaks mids come in pairs and the cartons arent too big, dont know about Vifas. Focals are also excellent drivers. Nowadays with the internet and credit cards, as well as the general rlaxation by the Govt of foreign exchange, things are far far easier than before..
BTW, where are you located?
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Thanks for your reply, regarding the MDF vs Veneer, maybe you are right. Regarding the 2-way vs 3-way issue, i have not yet decided for sure to go with the 3-way, thats just a tentative idea and im looking at other options available to provided I dont sacrifice the musicality of the speakers. I am right now in Chennai, an will be shortly moving to Bangalore I guess. Anyways thanks for your reply.
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| navin |
i second geroge's idea.
3 way XO passive is nuts. in fact if i were u i'd go for biamped sub sit combo. after 28 years of making DIY speakers (from before 1978) i feel this is the best option given the wide range drivers u can get today.
no in this area there is plenty to expriment.
1. sub till 80-100hz, 6" till 2k, 1" dome
2. woofer till 200-250Hz, 4" till 3.5/4k, HF unit above that
each has it's pros and cons.
expanding on 1:
12" sub like the shiva etc can be got for under $150 and maybe under $100
6" woofer top of the line can be got for $150 (SEAS Excel, SS Revelator, Focal etc..)
1" tweeter (SEAS Excel, SS Revelator, Ring Radiator) will cost another $150
Dynaudio does not sell to DIY last i kow. so you can choose from SS. VIfa, Focal, Morel, Cabasse etc.
expanding on ver 2.
2 x 8" or 10" woofers Peerless, Focal, Vifa, SS, etc...
4" mid
and then the top can be a Raven or Ring etc...
in general. version 1 will give you a lot of air and big bass. 12"ers like the Shiva can move a lot of air but u have to live with a XO inthe vocal range version 2 allows 1 driver to cover the critical vocal range 300-3k at eh expnse of a it less bass SPL capability. |
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Hey navin, thanks for your reply. From your post, I take it that XO means crossover.
Regarding the Subs, I am NOT a bass freak, but i DO need tight bass for the classical stuff. Would I be right in assuming that the usage of 2 smaller drivers (e.g 8") instead of a huge one (say a 12") would result in more taut bass albeit at the expense of depth? I am perfectly OK with it.
Regarding the Crossovers:
My take on your post, '3 way XO passive is nuts.' is that using a passive crossover network for a 3-way is ineffective. I do know what an active crossover is (little bit of PA experience) but what I'm not very sure is where would the active crossover be? in the enclosure or the amp? If its active, wouldn't it require a separate power source? I am also a little vague on the advantagesof using an active crossover instead of a passive one.
Thanks for your post, I shall be researching more I guess. Cheers! |
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sorry about that. i talk an odd lingo.
3 way passive is difficult for 2 reasons. when the high order XO freq are close together say 700Hz and 2500Hz there are complex polar issues. when the XO freq are far apart (more than 1 decade like 2000Hz and 200Hz) then the size of the components at 200Hz is large and getting good quality components is expensive
1st order XO avoids this but then tthe drivers must have a wide bandwidth (like dynaudio) to cope with the extra range
i find a good comporomise is an active XO at say 100Hz for a 12" and then a passive XO at say 2k between a 6" and 1". this way the system can be built in stages. build the 6" 2way. then add the sub later.
however if you are planning 3 way at this stage then u might want to consider 2 x 8" or 10" mated to a smaller mid and tweeter
lastly u can even eliminate the XO altogether and make a full range using a Jordan, Fostex, Tangband etc...
there are many options. unless u draw up a very specific list of specs. How big can the speaker be, how expensive, what capabilites, how big is the room, placement, etc... it would be diffcult to offer u any more detailed answers |
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| gjo |
Guys
I have a couple of kit power supplies and a mosfet power amp 200 watts mono (200WRMS X 4 and 8 amps) from Marchand Electronics with heatsink. Marchand is a well respected US vendor Check their website-www.marchandelec.com) for details. This was originally brought for a powered sub. I should also have their XM-1 crossover if anyone is interested, its a24dB L-R active crossover unit.
At this point I dont have the time to put all of this together, so in case any of you is interested, you can have it at cost. I bought two plate amps from Stryke and just wired them to my subs and these are 220/110V switcheable, and work fine.
I think the amp is the PM 124 or 224(its the 200 watts model) and the power supply is a PS xxx( dont remember the exact model). There are assembly manuals and the stuff is sealed and new in box. Prefer to sell all together because I have no use for a spare power supply at this time.
Email me offlist at gjo@dtsam.com if you need any more info.
Thanks
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| fernmeister |
what an interesting thread...
...i just moved to dehli from london in june and will be here for another 18 months or so. sadly, I've yet to find the time to audition some cadence gear, though I hope to do that next month.
i was wondering if anyone has any details for good parts suppliers. i'm looking for tubes, but also general electronics stuff as well. i have some half finished guitar effects that I'd like to polish off when I find some spare time.
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Now, George,
With all that impressive high power US amplification you must not give up your AKSA!!
Cheers,
Hugh |
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Hugh
No fears! The AKSA remains with me-this is a mono power amp module which I brought for a sub, but decidd it just was too much effort to put together..
Looks like the Aussie and the Indians are going to be fighting out the cricket finals next week..
Fernmeister
Welcome! I hope you get an opportunity to connect up with some of us adventurous souls.
Ashok-we await your post about meeting Angshu at Jamshedpur..Aap log ne maja kiya honge!
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thanks for the welcome!
it is taking a while to settle in, but it is an interesting experience.
finding it hard to locate good audio stuff though.
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| quote: | Originally posted by gjo
Hugh
Ashok-we await your post about meeting Angshu at Jamshedpur..Aap log ne maja kiya honge!
George |
George,
Unfortunately, Ashok and I could not meet up. Ashok had to go out of town to attend a wedding. I had extended my stay from my initial program but Ashok reached late Monday night and I had to leave early morning Tuesday.
I was really looking forward to meeting Ashok and listen to all his valve gear, I am afraid that I have to wait for my next visit.
By the way the 10th Milestone is owned by my sister-in-law's friend, I will try and negotiate a special discount package for the DIYer, that is as long as Ashok behaves himself.
Jamshedpur in winters as always was fantastic. Drove around Bistupur, Jublee Park, Circuit house area and felt very nostalgic.
Fernmeister,
Welcome to India and Delhi, I seem to be the only one in this group from Delhi. Please feel free to contact me if you need any assistance. My mobile number is 9810088356.
You can audition the Cadence in Delhi, I have, number of times, and am quite impressed.
Cheers,
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| navin |
guys,
i am the lookout for a new car. there are some limitations.
1. length less than 4500mm (15 ft), width less than 1800mm (6ft) as my parking space is barely that
2. rear seat comfort for mumbai roads as i put in more miles in the rear that in the front
3. leg room should be equal or more than the OPEL Astra (my persent car)
Choices so far: Skoda Octavia (rear leg room cramped), Toyota Corolla (excessive body roll), Chevy Foresster (a Subaru with a Chevy badge but will an SUV offer the comfort of a car?), Chevy Optra (not checked it out but I fear its antcedants - Daewoo-GM). |
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| quote: | Originally posted by navin
Choices so far: Skoda Octavia (rear leg room cramped), Toyota Corolla (excessive body roll), Chevy Foresster (a Subaru with a Chevy badge but will an SUV offer the comfort of a car?), Chevy Optra (not checked it out but I fear its antcedants - Daewoo-GM). |
not the corolla. the octavia, is based on a VW, decent car, but not for travelling in the back. the optra, I have no experience with. I would go with the chevy foresster.
the subaru FWD range are not really like the heavy duty off road cars like the landcrusier or those tall tata things. they are developed more for bad roads and rally type driving. the forrester has a lot of performance features in common with the rally winning imprezza. i'm not sure what engine they have here, but in europe they were pretty highly powered (I have a friend in yorkshire who has one). when top gear (UK) reviewed them they classed it as a very impressive and comfortable car for country driving. i think it would be well suited to indian conditions |
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| brokenbinil |
| please help me guys .... i'm sick of all the local stuff found in india... do sugest some good indian amps ... please... |
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thanks fernmeister.
the forrester has a 2 liter petrol here. it was reviewed by the indian auto mags too. it is also the only SUV that will fit in my parking space. The Ford Endeavour and Honda CRV are too big - Mumbai is cramped.
In the apt complex where my mom lives i have already witnessed fist fights between 2 members (of the housing society) one who had a Hyundai Sonata and the other who got a Honda CRV and had neighbouring garages. This escalated to a police case and had each member sending the other legal notices.
Previous to this 2 other members had actually banged each others car (one has a Mercedes Benz E320 and the other has a Toyota Camry) out of anger. Eventually this also escallated to a legal issue and only after each member had spent about Rs. 20,000 in car repairs and, I assume, a similar ammount on legal dues did they learn to compromise.
The odd thing is that these guys are all supposed to be repectable members of society and 3 of the 4 have post graduate degrees from colleges like LSE, Harvard, and Cornell. 3 out of 4 are self made (the other inherted his wealth). Each apt in this society costs Rs. 22 million today. If is this what educated people do how do you expect the less educated to behave any better (have you heard of the train anger in Mumbai)? |
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| navin |
binil,
R&S (pulz), Norge (Eastern Electronics) etc.. make some amps but i find them wanting. maybe MP (Palesha) can help. he has some nice subs that i are worth considering too.
try palesha@vsnl.com |
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Hi Navin
There are some new cars supposed to be launched this year, might make sense to see what's coming..I too checked the Octavia, a few months ago rear seat just doesn't stand comparison to my Astra, so I gave it a pass. Ditto Baleno. Personally I think Korean cars are value for money, and the Optra may be a good choice. The doors clunk shut with an expensive sound! I have a Santro which is still with me after nearly 4 year and running well.
Also, with two Opels(I also have a Corsa), I think GM offers well engineered cars and have a rep to maintain-they just cant afford to screw up with all the competition around. In any case, nowadays no one thinks of buying cars for the long term-unlike, say, in the 60's where we bought a Fiat 1100 for 16K and sold it after 25 years for 25K!
Turning to audio I got my tube preamp up and running yesterday and it really sounds great..Coupled with the tube power amp, the sound is quite different from the ss pre-power amp combo that I have in another room. The design is quite simple, but the result is something special! I listened to some James Taylor, Diana Krall, Bela Fleck, Ladysmith and some other stuff, bass and sound stage were really good, and so was channel separation. I turned off the sub for some time and enjoyed listening to the sats..
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| quote: | Originally posted by navin
R&S (pulz), Norge (Eastern Electronics) etc.. make some amps but i find them wanting. maybe MP (Palesha) can help. he has some nice subs that i are worth considering too.
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| quote: | Originally posted by gjo
There are some new cars supposed to be launched this year...Optra may be a good choice. The doors clunk shut with an expensive sound!
Also, with two Opels(I also have a Corsa),... say, in the 60's where we bought a Fiat 1100 for 16K and sold it after 25 years for 25K!
Turning to audio I got my tube preamp up and running yesterday and it really sounds great..Coupled with the tube power amp... |
I looked at the Optra. Turns out it also has better leg room than the Corolla, Octavia or Forester. With my budget I could look at the OPTRA LT AT (11.3 on road mumbai after discounts). My wife wants a DVD player and TVs in the rear of the front head rests with play station etc... so maybe with the change we can implement this. Another choice is the Hyundai Elantra. it is due out soon. I feel Hyundai might raise the bar. In the end my choice will depend on rear leg room and ride quality.
My wife drives a Sail as she prefers a small car to park. I use an Astra. Both are great cars. The Sail 1.6 is a bit under powered but with 14" Mag-Alloy tubeless etc... it has great ride quality; better than the Palio 1.6 GTX S10. Also the S10 only comes in yellow!
What tube pre r u using.
I have 2 systems that I am looking at building (after I get my present system working to satisfaction).
No particular order:
Re-build my SS 8546-9900 MTM into a push push MT. The sub design has me stumped here (how do I use 2 x DV12 per channel in a small 3 cu. ft. push push box that will double as a stand for the sat). I can use my present sat power amp for the subs and trash my ss pre then build a new tube pre amp and power amp (4 ohms load). however i'd need about 100W rms. that too has me stumped. 100W tube amps are not cheap or easy to build.
Build a new HT-AV system that is very discrete (hidden). speakers would have to look like the B&W VM1/FPS, KEF KHT9000 etc
Now what has me stumped if I am to build any DIY electronics is the decoding (dolby, matrix, etc...). Also making even a simple EL84 PP amp hidden would require some doing. Fortunately I can wait. I am collecting information and refining the design. |
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I got my kit preamp (the Grounded Grid) from Transcendent Sound(www.transcsendentsound.com) for about $500-add about $300 for the assembled one. Unlike a lot of the US mfrs, Bruce Rozenblit offers 110-120/220-240 voltage gear as standard supply. I found that most others charge a premium for 220V compatible stuff-$30-50.
I find the a tube pre powering a tube power amp sounding quite different from the ss/tube combo that I listened to for the last 3 years. The sound is different-better bass for one thing and better-voices are sharper and clarity is better. Last night I listened to Pink Floyd (Dark Side of the Moon) and it was like relistening to it. I want to listen to some more music during the next couple of weeks and enjoy the sound.
The preamp uses Yugo 12AU7 valves and is a simple design-I'm paying for the design knowhow rather than the components! Yes, high power tube amps are not inexpensive. You may want to look at the Velleman K4040, which does 95 wpc RMS-it's a Belgian kit available in the US for under $1k. I decided to go the lower power route with more sensitive speakers, and have a ss sub amp to kick butt! My sub amps are 175-250 watts RMS..
On the car front, I agree the Corsa's ride is outstanding-I have a 1.4 GL which has clocked about 36K so far and my wife uses it, she loves it. You may want to also look at the Accord-the older model was recently phased out as you know, and it was being heavily discounted-I believe price at around 11-12 at the fag end. Should have great ride/build quality and rear seat comfort.
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| quote: | Originally posted by gjo
I got my kit preamp (the Grounded Grid) from Transcendent Sound(www.transcsendentsound.com) for about $500
I find the a tube pre powering a tube power amp sounding quite different from the ss/tube combo...
You may want to look at the Velleman K4040, which does 95 wpc RMS-it's a Belgian kit available in the US for under $1k.
On the car front, I agree the Corsa's ride is outstanding. You may want to also look at the Accord |
$500 seems fair. Add $1000 for the power amp and this is gonna cost me $1500 (rs 75k). ok let me see if there are alternates.
BTW my wife does not have the Corsa sedan she has the Sail hatch. The Sdean has even better ride than the Sail but she wanted a small car otherwise the New Honda City would have been my choice for her.
The Accord is a great car. Both my brothers have one. I would use it if I stayed in South Bombay. But in Santa Cruz parking is a premium so I need something smaller. Under 4.5m long and 1.8m wide. My Astra is big enough as it is (4.2m x 1.7m). If it is not parked just right it blocks traffic in the bldg. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by gjo
In any case, nowadays no one thinks of buying cars for the long term-unlike, say, in the 60's where we bought a Fiat 1100 for 16K and sold it after 25 years for 25K! |
done that too!
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