| Coulomb |
The company for which I head up the procurement team is a Customer of R-Theta. Using my new influence, I have some special pricing, the likes of which I do not beleive were available to our community before now.
This particular profile has been around the block here at about $55 US plus taxes and shipping for very large Qty buys a few years ago before metals started climbing in price.
How about $47.50 CAD plus taxes and shipping for Clear Anodized 11" sections if I buy 50 pecies?
A) Quote is based on providing R-Theta extrusion 65340 cut to 11.0+/- 0.020'' length.
B) Quote is based on clear anodize finish per MIL-A-8625, TYPE II, CLASS 1, CLEAR.
Regards
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| Ed LaFontaine |
| ....so using the thermal resistance given for a 3" section of 0.6, the thermal resistance of an 11" section would be...0.163? |
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| Coulomb |
Here is a thermal convection plot of 6 x 30Watt devices on a 12" section of this heatsink.
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| Coulomb |
oops a little confusion here on the Thermal plots.
The first one is a 12" section of 9012 profile. |
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| Coulomb |
Here is a thermal plot of an 11" section of the 9019 profile.
Same criteria, 6 devices dissipating 30 watts ea.
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| GRollins |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ed LaFontaine
....so using the thermal resistance given for a 3" section of 0.6, the thermal resistance of an 11" section would be...0.163?
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Unfortunately, no. The relationship is not linear because the heatsink depends on "room temperature" air to meet those specs. By the time the air conducts heat away from the lower portion of the heatsink and rises to the upper portion, it's warmer than room temperature and the efficiency of the heat transfer decreases rather quickly.
Heatsinks much taller than 6 or 8" may look nifty, but they really aren't all that much better at getting rid of heat than something 6-8" or shorter. If your goal is how it looks, go for it. If it's heat transfer, you'll waste money.
There's an easy-to-use calculator at Aavid-Thermalloy that can give you a gut feeling for these things even if the heatsink isn't exactly the same profile. Since a lot of the heatsink manufacturers have pretty similar profiles you can probably find something close to the one Coulomb is offering.
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| Coulomb |
Well actually I am not offering anything. The extrusion can be cut to any length. The graphs I have posted are from the Calcultor on the R-Theta site. As is clearly demonstrated by the plot on the 9012 profile the Heat sink has wicked away the heat between the two rows of devices as demonstated by the much cooler blue centre.
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| Coulomb |
Here is the same plot from the R-Theta site on an 8" section with the same 6 x 30Watt heat sources.
You will note how much hotter the overall Heatsink is and how the average temperature of the Heatsink is also up.
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| GRollins |
Hmmm, the thumbnails disappear when you hit reply. I think I can do this from memory without having to open a bunch of windows or print the images.
Note that the 8" section is more consistent in temperature when comparing top to bottom. The taller section shows a distinct difference between top and bottom rows. Not only are the top devices running hotter than the bottom ones, but you'll find that the top and bottom rows won't bias quite the same due to the temperature differences.
Is it the end of life as we know it? Of course not. And it's nothing specific to R-Theta--just simple thermodynamics that applies to every manufacturer of heatsinks.
A twice-as-tall heatsink will dissipate somewhat more heat than a shorter one, but not twice as much. If you compare a 12" section to two 6" sections of the exact same profile, you'll find that two shorter sections beat one taller one every time, even though the surface area is the same, the profile is the same, the ambient temperature is the same, same number of active devices dissipating the same number of watts of heat, etc. I don't think of it as degrees C/inches of heatsink. I think of it as Pd/$. The math works out a little differently that way.
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| cwujek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Coulomb
The company for which I head up the procurement team is a Customer of R-Theta. Using my new influence, I have some special pricing, the likes of which I do not beleive were available to our community before now.
This particular profile has been around the block here at about $55 US plus taxes and shipping for very large Qty buys a few years ago before metals started climbing in price.
How about $47.50 CAD plus taxes and shipping for Clear Anodized 11" sections if I buy 50 pecies?
A) Quote is based on providing R-Theta extrusion 65340 cut to 11.0+/- 0.020'' length.
B) Quote is based on clear anodize finish per MIL-A-8625, TYPE II, CLASS 1, CLEAR.
Regards
Anthony |
This was actually the exact profile I was thinking of switching to instead of going with Conrad. They quoted me at pretty much the same rate ($46USD) for 12" sections, which at first was significantly cheaper than Conrad. The problem was that they charge a ridiculous amount for milling, drilling, and/or tapping. The Conrad heat sinks are also already finished in black enamel, which provides a better thermal rating. All in all, looks like a good heat sink though. |
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| Coulomb |
Okay Grey so two 6" sections will work better than one 12" section with what I imagine is a bucket load of caveats.
So if you require enough Heatsink to dissipate 250Watts for an Aelph 2 class amp you would still need 4 x 6" of this profile per channel. The amp is still going to look "Nifty" with all that Heatsink material, now you just got to be creative in how you configure it.
Personally I think the trade off in Thermal effeciency of a continuos Heat Sink as opposed to one with a thermal break is out wieghed by practical design considerations.
I do agree if you don't mind an Amplifier that is 22" to 24" deep two smaller heatsinks end to end would be more effecient.
Anyway I did not come back after a two year hiatis to start an argument, if I wanted an argument I would have tried the other door. ;)
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by cwujek
This was actually the exact profile I was thinking of switching to instead of going with Conrad. They quoted me at pretty much the same rate ($46USD) for 12" sections, which at first was significantly cheaper than Conrad. The problem was that they charge a ridiculous amount for milling, drilling, and/or tapping. The Conrad heat sinks are also already finished in black enamel, which provides a better thermal rating. All in all, looks like a good heat sink though. |
Black is available as well, and they are still expensive for custom mill work. More than likely I will just get what I need as these Group Buys do not work well for goods that cost more to ship than they do to buy.
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| Coulomb |
And as I am not about a closed mind, but rather open if not somewhat annoying conflicting opinions. Here is a Thermal Plot that demonstrates Grey's argument that you could achieve better results with two 6" sections rather that one 12", design choices aside.
3 x 30Watt on 6" of 9012.
There is not a huge difference in average temperature if compared to the very first plot, but there is a consistent 3 Deg lower temperature on the latter.
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| GRollins |
Trust me...I don't like it either. I just file it under "life just ain't fair sometimes" and try to figure out how to get rid of all that confounded heat. I've even seen Big Name Companies bring out products that showed they hadn't quite thought the heat thing through. Or someone thought it looked neat and managed to overrule the fellow who actually designed the circuit.
If you can make the math work out, feel free to use taller heatsinks. If, as I tend to find, you're weighing dollars against degrees, you have a couple of other options:
--Run shorter lengths around the entire perimeter the way Nelson did with the Alephs
--If you're intent on doing rack stuff, or at least something with a front that doesn't look like a porcupine, you can still try to run heatsink along the back
--You can double up by running more heatsinks inside the chassis--obviously this will require venting though the top and, yes, the inside heatsink will run hotter than the outside ones--consider running fewer devices on the inside heatsinks in an effort to balance the temperature
--I'm not a big believer in using heatsinks on the top or bottom of a chassis because there's no convection, but if you're desperate you can get rid of some more heat that way--it's even less cost effective than tall heatsinks, though
--You might consider using a thermostat to switch on fan(s) if the heatsink exceeds some predetermined temperature--the assumption being that the music is loud and the fans will be less annoying--this assumption does not hold true for class A amps
--If you're against the wall and all else has failed, turn on the fans--fans are a lot quieter than they used to be and you can get a surprising amount of airflow even running them at half-speed
I wish this was more open to interpretation, but it's not a sonic "I think this sounds better" sort of thing...it's an "Ohmigawd my amp just flamed out" sort of thing. Better to have too much heatsink than too little. Amps don't die from being too room temperature, they die from being too hot.
Remember not to stack amps that will run hot. If they're in a rack, space them apart by at least the same height as the heatsinks. That's just a rule of thumb, but it works fairly well.
Take it from a guy who runs a lot of class A amps...
Grey
P.S.: Interesting factoid--class A amps run cooler when playing music because the wattage that would have been dissipated through the heatsinks is dissipated in the speaker instead. Do not count on this effect to keep your amp from self-destructing. |
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| grataku |
| These are great (looking and working) heatsinks! Much better material and look than the Conrad IMHO. I sold the 8 pieces I bought in 2000 and I am regretting it deeply. I would want to buy the anodized black much better at heat radiation. |
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| GRollins |
Geoff (a member here--yes, the same guy who has the Class A website) once found a site where they compared heatsinks with various coatings: paint of various colors, anodizing, naked aluminum, and about seventy-'leven other things. Naturally, I assumed black anodizing would be the clear winner. Not so, according to those guys. If I recall correctly, green paint was the best. Ugh. Gimme the black anodizing, anyway. The idea of green paint for heatsinks just churns my stomach. Sorry, can't do it.
I have no earthly idea how to find Geoff's post. It was years ago. If you want to try to unearth the link, you might ask Geoff. Perhaps he will remember.
Grey
EDIT: Huh! Imagine that...I got lucky and found Geoff's post on my third try. Unfortunately, that used up all my luck for the day. The link is broken--gets a 404 error. Bummer. Just go with black anodizing and save the green paint for your bedroom or something. |
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| LineSource |
The KL-271 heatsink profile is the best natural convection design I have found, and could be used as a performance reference for this purchase. It is anodized black. It was discussed in the Leach website and wiki diyAudio.com recent group purchase.
The R-Theta 9012 profile shown above looks similar to the KL-271.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/show...6086&highlight=
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| jacco vermeulen |
You could check what the Seifert sinks currently will cost you.
Looking at the thermal plots Anthony posted, the CAD 47.5 for an 11" extrusion is a good deal.
Personally i'm not that impressed by the Conrad sinks, low grade performance for a low dollar bill, nice if you don't mind the additional inches.
The monaural Aleph-J's i'm assembling run on 2-1/5" high heatsinks.
Even have to lower the transformer donut by a fifth inch beneath the chassis to fit inside the shallow case. (does have the plus-side of a damped and vented sub-chassis for the toroid )
The caveat lector is a chassis length of 16". Aargh, the choices in life are so difficult, it's killing me. |
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| Coulomb |
I should have a quote for the 9012 soon.
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| nvrgdenuf |
| Interested in 6-8 inch high sinks. |
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| kilowattski |
| I tip my hat to Mr. Rollins but the plain and simple fact is there has to be some astetics considered if my better half will consider it's residence in our family room. I consider myself fortunate that she has not objected to the X250/Thiel 6.0 combo residing in the living room. In anycase I may be interested in four of them if a group buy forms. |
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| fcel |
Kilowattski/Grataku/Coulomb:
I'm saving my four pieces that I bought from the last group buy (was it year 2002?); hopefully one of these days, I would have the courage to built the Aleph-X. I'm wondering, did any of you three built the Aleph-X yet? |
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| niner |
| Coulomb, I'll pick up a few if there's a group buy. I got some heat sinks from the 2003 group buy, and they were very high quality. |
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by fcel
Kilowattski/Grataku/Coulomb:
I'm saving my four pieces that I bought from the last group buy (was it year 2002?); hopefully one of these days, I would have the courage to built the Aleph-X. I'm wondering, did any of you three built the Aleph-X yet? |
Not as yet, I built a 10W Mini Aelph though, and I have to say it's impressive even at 10Watts.
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| fcel |
| The good old Mini-A; I've built one, listen to it everyday, love it. |
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| Coulomb |
Here is some pricing for the larger 9012 Profile. All pricing is for 50 pc. order. Everyone adds $1 to cover the setup charge.
6" $34.04 CAD
12" $61.03 CAD
The above is black anodize, Clear anodize is a couple of bucks cheaper.
Please remember this is a much larger profile than the 9019 and is quoted @ 12" as compared to 11".
I like the look of a square Heatsink,
9019 11x11
9012 12x12
You can see the profiles listed above as well as some thermal plots. The 6" profile is an interesting option capable of dissapating 90 watts handily.
I am looking to buy for myself $300 to $500 worth of material in a combination of 6" and 12" 9012 in BLK and CLR.
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| nvrgdenuf |
Anthony,
thanks for your efforts. I want (8) of the 6 inch. (in black)
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| Coulomb |
Okay so here is a little info on shipping costs. Hit this site and calculate your costs. Use L9G 4L5 as the ship from in Canada.
Max wieght per shipment is 66 pounds, each 12 section of 9012 is 11.9 pounds.
For box size Use 3" for every Heatink x14x14
So 4 x 12" would be 44 pounds 12x14x14. This shipment varies from $40 to $80 depending where you are in the US.
Arizona, Texas and California are up around $75 for 44 pounds.
This same shipment travelling in Canada would be $30 to $50 approx.
Canada Post
I will have to pay 13% taxes on the total purchase from R-Theta
Everything I have quoted is in CAD dollars.
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| nvrgdenuf |
Shipping will make me re-evaluate quantity. When are you speculating to order?
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| Coulomb |
You have some time, I would like to engage R-Theta with the next 30 Days, Period of Quote.
I understand your hesitation regarding shipping costs. These are very heavy Heatsinks, most States in the US could get 4 Heatsinks for $40 CAD, but you guys that are way out there where the nice weather is have to pay a lot more.
The unusual thing is I can ship to Vancouver, BC for $38 but Washington State is $77.
Now I live about 45 Minutes from Niagra Falls, if there was a US Member that was willing to drive up to pick up US orders and mail them from the US, it would probably save a lot of bucks.
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| JimT |
I would like to buy 4 black 12" sections. If you end up with clear that is fine. I drive that way when visiting relatives in Hamilton, can I pick these up? If you prefer to ship them, no problem.
Thanks
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by JimT
I would like to buy 4 black 12" sections. If you end up with clear that is fine. I drive that way when visiting relatives in Hamilton, can I pick these up? If you prefer to ship them, no problem.
Thanks
JimT |
I have no problem with a member wanting to pick up, I am in Ancaster.
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| spind |
I'd take 4 of the 6" ones (potentially more).
8" might be nice too :D
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| Coulomb |
So it looks like the 9012 anodized Black in 6" and 12" lengths should be the focus to get the numbers up and not get fragmented by to many choices.
The price breaks are at 10, 25, 50 and 100. All pricing is in CAD $, 13% taxes will apply. There is a setup charge of $50 per order regardless of the quantity ordered, which will be divided amoungst the number of buyers.
6"
38.23
35.50
34.04
32.27
12"
68.54
63.64
61.03
57.86
I am in for 8 @ 6" and 4 @ 12"
I am not sure if there is enough interest to start a Wiki, just send me a PM with your contact info and address so I can keep track of how many to order. When I am ready to order I will send mail to the interested parties with the costs including taxes and shipping.
Regards
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| niner |
Anthony,
Does 13% tax apply to international orders too? Last group buy in 2003, R-Theta collected money from each member, and sent heatsinks to each individual buyer. I don't recall I paid tax in that groupbuy.
I'm in for 4x 6" and 4x 12"
Thanks for the work! |
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| Guiness |
I will be in for 2 12" heatsinks
Thanks |
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by niner
Anthony,
Does 13% tax apply to international orders too? Last group buy in 2003, R-Theta collected money from each member, and sent heatsinks to each individual buyer. I don't recall I paid tax in that groupbuy.
I'm in for 4x 6" and 4x 12"
Thanks for the work! |
I had not arranged individual shipments with R-Theta as I did not think this GB was going to be of the same volume as the last one. I can make a call to them and ask if they will. I can not see them going to the extra effort as I don't think based on the response so far we will even hit the 25 each plateau.
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| Coulomb |
Please remember to send me a PM with your Name and address so I can add you to my list.
Thanks
Anthony |
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| niner |
| I understand. To avoid 13% tax, may be R-Theta can send a big shipment to an US address that covers all US orders. Then orders can be re-distributed to other US locations. That could save on shipping too. |
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by niner
I understand. To avoid 13% tax, may be R-Theta can send a big shipment to an US address that covers all US orders. Then orders can be re-distributed to other US locations. That could save on shipping too. |
That is a good idea, I will check that out Niner.
Anthony
Edit: email sent |
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| argofanatic |
Whoohoo, found this just in time.
I'm in for 4 x 12" + 2 x 6"
PM Sent. |
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| PierreQuiRoule |
Anthony
I would like 4 of the 6" version please.
Thank you for organizing this !
Pierre |
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| Dennis Hui |
Hi Anthony,
When are you thinking of closing this GB? Also,
what are the numbers looking like?
Thanks,
Dennis |
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| markgall |
Count me in for some of these. I need to figure out what I want though. I'm planning to build a firstwatt F1 or F2.
Mark |
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dennis Hui
Hi Anthony,
When are you thinking of closing this GB? Also,
what are the numbers looking like?
Thanks,
Dennis |
Hello Dennis, I would like to close it out within the next two weeks.
So far 20 x 12" and 28 x 6"
So it looks like we will be at the 25 Piece Pricing.
6" 35.50
12" 63.64
Some members have indicated they may be in for more but this is all I have comittments for at this time.
I am hoping I will be able to pay just one setup fee of $50 instead of two, not sure yet. Canadian Members will have to pay the tax, not sure if I can arrange seperate shipping within Canada from R-Theta for provincial tax savings. I am still hoping I can have R-Theta ship to a US member for redistribution to avoid US members having to pay Canadian taxes.
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by markgall
Count me in for some of these. I need to figure out what I want though. I'm planning to build a firstwatt F1 or F2.
Mark |
Let me know soon Mark so I can add you to the numbers.
Anthony |
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| Coulomb |
| The 9012 is quite nice peice of kit in the 6" length. Here is a thermal plot of three devices dissapating 24 watts each and the junction temperature is only 135 Deg. Fahrenheit. |
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| markgall |
I want either 2 or 4 of the 6". I'll let yo know by the end of the week.
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| Coulomb |
I have confirmation from R-Theta that they will ship a consolidated shipment to a US address.
So I guess the question is who would like to take care of redistributing to US members. It would need to be someone who has easy access to the post office, can drive and lift rather heavy packages as these things wiegh 17 pounds per foot.
At this time there are only a couple of US Members on board.
A Wiki would be nice, but I suck at that sort of thing. I tried to create one and got stuck on the directions after it said "How to create a wiki with eNABLe" or some equally baffling verbage!!!
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| Ed LaFontaine |
| quote: | | "How to create a wiki with eNABLe" |
spawn of Mongo, he was the daddy of that in a previous lifetime...see, you're not the only one having trouble setting up a wiki :cannotbe: |
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| argofanatic |
My first attempt at this.
I created a WIKI page for this GB. It might generate more interest this way also.
R-Theta WIKI
Cheers,
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| Coulomb |
Thank you Argo,
I have updated the wiki with all the commitments I have so far, please log onto the wiki and check if I have them recorded correctly.
Please feel free to add any additional requirements, or if you are following the thread and have not committed as yet now is a good time to do so.
I will be able to place the order after the 12" sections get to 25. When we get there I will collect the funds and place the orders.
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| niner |
| I can help on re-distribution for US orders, assume we are not talking about a huge amount of heatsinks. |
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by niner
I can help on re-distribution for US orders, assume we are not talking about a huge amount of heatsinks. |
Thanks niner, considering your order is 1/3 of the US orders I don't think you should have too much trouble. :-)
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| Tube Noob |
Hope its not too late to join, I've added myself to the WIKI for 4 6" lengths!
Email sent |
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tube Noob
Hope its not too late to join, I've added myself to the WIKI for 4 6" lengths!
Email sent |
Your alright, I am just about to get started collecting the funds.
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| Coulomb |
Ok if you have not sent me your mailing address, please do so right away. I am going to look at the US addresses and see if I can get a consolidated East and West coast (sort of) shipment out of R-Theta. This will take a little pressure off of niner and may reduce shipping costs a little more.
I have started posting Canadian shipping costs for those who have provided addresses.
Please remember the 13% taxes, sorry not my fault. Tomorrow I will add a column to the wiki to show the taxes.
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| luvdunhill |
Anthony:
I just sent my info to you. |
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| Coulomb |
niner have you got ground level access to receive the US shipment? Perhaps a Garage to bring them into?
The Profile we are ordering has a published weight of 12 Pounds per foot, I am trying to verify that.
If this is the case then the shipment to niner will be 360 pounds. I have asked R-Theta to quote the shipment cost.
From where niner is to a few sample addresses in Texas and Florida the USPS.COM site indicates a cost of $20 to $35 US depending on shipment size. The average shipment size for the US orders varies but a simple calculation shows between 12 and 48 pounds.
Once I have got a shipping quote back from R-Theta and received all the Mailing addresses I can post all the rates from niner within the US using www.USPS.com.
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| niner |
I have a garage that can house them for a short period, before my wife yells at me ;)
We need to figure out the payment on shipping from my location to other US addresses. On top of what the USPS charges, there is cost of packing materials. I don't have that many boxes and plastic bubbles at home, so I have to go out and get them.
May be we send money to Anthony for heatsinks and shipping to my house, then US members send me paypal for shipping from here to your location? |
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| luvdunhill |
| quote: | Originally posted by niner
I have a garage that can house them for a short period, before my wife yells at me ;)
We need to figure out the payment on shipping from my location to other US addresses. On top of what the USPS charges, there is cost of packing materials. I don't have that many boxes and plastic bubbles at home, so I have to go out and get them.
May be we send money to Anthony for heatsinks and shipping to my house, then US members send me paypal for shipping from here to your location? |
niner:
why not use the USPS Priority Flat Rate option? Free boxes, tape, and what not and cheap for the rest of us.. Even if you can only stick 1-2 per box, it should be cheaper.... |
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| niner |
| That's a good idea. Shipping 4x 12" heatsink with UPS from Boston to San Jose is about $70. USPS Priority is ~$100, and regular parcel is ~$50. Flat large rate box is $26 (2 boxes), assume I can fit 2 in a box. |
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| Coulomb |
What is this Flate rate you speak of? Is it like a little DIY packing centre at the US Post Office?
Anthony |
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| Coulomb |
Hummm we have to think about this. The 9012 Profile has two shipping dimensions.
12.203 x 2.925 x 6
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12.203 x 2.925 x 12
The box sizes available are:
The Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Box, (12" x 12" x 5.5")
Both Flat Rate Boxes, the shirt box size (11" x 8.5" x 5.5") and the shoe box size (13.625" x 11.875" x 3.375").
Only the last box listed is usable to ship one 6" Heatsink. The largest box is .250" too small and if you were to shoe horn in 1 12" or two 6", they would be exposed to physical damage transfered through the box side.
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| Coulomb |
OK so it looks like if you follow these rules for regular Parcel Post.
Less than 34 inches long or 17 inches high or 17 inches wide.
Less than 25 pounds.
A box wieghing 24 pounds, 4 x 6 or 2 x 12 could be 14 x 14 x 8 or slightly larger allowing for some packing material and only cost $23 US from niner all the way to Texas, about $0.95 per pound.
The best to hope for from Flate rate would be 1 x 6 per box at $2.15 per pound.
I am still waiting on R-Theta to tell me if they can pack the orders for me and ship them on a wrapped skid, then niner would just have to label them and ship them as they would already be packed by order.
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| Coulomb |
BTW, I am only waiting to start collecting the funds because I want to have the logistics nailed down for US members. The cost for everyone is heavily dependant on the numbers purchased. If a US member drops out due to what they percieve is too much to pay after shipping, the costs may have to be re calculated for everyone. This would most certainly be true if a considerable number of order requests drop out.
Regards
Anthony |
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| Coulomb |
I spoke to R-Theta today regarding a quote for the consolidated shipment that they are still working on. We also discussed R-Theta drop shipping all the US orders as opposed to a consolidated shipment for re-distribution.
Whichever option is ulimately cheaper is the route we would go. The advantage of drop shipments is faster delivery and no handling required by niner.
I will be sending an email to R-Theta tonight with all the US addresses I have so far for shipping estimates. If I do not have an address I will not be able to confirm the shipping charges. I will post a comment on the Wiki indicating whether I was able to send an address for shipping confirmation.
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| Coulomb |
Updates:
Spotticus please send me a PM with your complete Mailing address, and thank you for participating.
A consolidated shipment to niner would wiegh 500 pounds and be $270 in shipping charges. Quote came in from R-Theta at the end of the day. Given there are 9 US members in the GB that would be $30 ea. CAD in addition to the mail costs from niner to your individual locations.
I am compiling a list to send to R-Theta in the morning to quote drop shipments from R-Theta directly to the US members doors.
They will do this provided I collect the frieght charges and prepay them before shipment.
I feel we are close to closing this issue, which means it will soon be time to pry the funds from your steely grips. :-)
BTW; Everyone please check the wiki and verify I have your orders right, as you confirm I will be contacting you for payment. I have provided a space for members to confirm thier orders as shown, or change them and confirm. (Please don't decrease, increase good, decrease bad) :whazzat:
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| Coulomb |
Ok it is definately going to be cheaper to send one consolidate shipment to niner and re destribute from there if he is up for it.
Individual shipments will require a $37.50 Customs and Brokerage charge, where a consolidate shipment only one charge is incurred. I will work out the fair share of a consolidated shipment to niner by the pound rather than an equal split as members who are ordering 100 pounds should pay more for the shipment than those ordering 24 pounds.
500 pounds divided by $270 equals $0.54 per pound. which includes the brokerage. I will post the consolidated shipment charges per member on the wiki later today. As niner himself is taking 100 pounds as an example he will pay $54 for his shipment. As he is the final destination for his shipment he will not have to pay a re distribution charge. Small comfort for the work he will have to do.
Most shipments are between 24 to 48 pounds or $12 to $24, plus an average ship cost of $25 within the US. This actually works out quite reasonable when all is said and done.
These are the quotes from R-Theta for shipping indvidually.
4 x 6" 26lbs. Shipping $42.00 Brokerage $37.00 ($79.00)
2 x 12" & 4 x 6" 55 lbs total $94.50 + $37.00 ($131.50)
6 x 6" 40 lbs. $52.50 + $37.00 ($89..50)
2 x 12" & 4 x 6" 55lbs total $94.50 + $37.00 ($131.50)
4 x 12" 52 lbs $94.50 + $37.00 ($131.50)
4 x 6" 26 lbs $42.00 + $37.00 ( $79.00)
2 x 12" & 4 x 6" 55 lbs. total $94.50 + $37.00 ($131.50)
8 x 12" 100 lbs $105.00 + $37.00 ($142.00)
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| luvdunhill |
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by luvdunhill
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| luvdunhill |
| quote: | Originally posted by Coulomb
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500 lbs is a lot :) |
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| niner |
| Anthony, can you confirm that R-Theta can package each US order individually in the big shipment? Otherwise, I have to purchase boxes and foam. That would be additional cost to other US members. |
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by niner
Anthony, can you confirm that R-Theta can package each US order individually in the big shipment? Otherwise, I have to purchase boxes and foam. That would be additional cost to other US members. |
Already working on it Sir.
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by luvdunhill
500 lbs is a lot :) |
Ahhh, Yes it adds up fast, another reason a consolidated shipment at $270 makes a lot more sense!
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| ddanbo |
| Just caught up to this - is there still time to get an order for 4 - 6" sections?? |
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by ddanbo
Just caught up to this - is there still time to get an order for 4 - 6" sections?? |
Yes there is,
Please send me a PM with your full mailing address. Can you add yourself to the wiki?
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| ddanbo |
Done and done.
Thanks again! |
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| Coulomb |
Good News, I just got confirmation from R-Theta that they will prepack the US shipments and put them on a skid for consolidation. This means niner should not have to buy any packaging or have to repack them when he gets the shipment. Just take them to the Post Office and mail them, he may have to add a proper address label.
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| Coulomb |
Well the wiki is updated with as much information as is available. I will now start collecting the funds. I will send all of you an email with my Pay Pal address and the invoice amount. I will be collecting the entire amount and paying R-Theta for everything upon completion of the Work Order.
I am not expectng anyone will pay anymore than what is reported on the wiki, the amount Payable is for door to door service.
niner I will send you the payments for USPS shipments as a lump sum transfer.
Regards
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| Coulomb |
BTW, this is you last chance to add to your order. I have sent the Pay Pal requests to those members who have confirmed thier orders.
As soon as you mark your order confirmed I will send you a Pay Pal request. We are now all waiting on you.:smash:
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| pchw |
Hi Anthony,
Do you rough idea of when the super load will be delivered to Niner's location?
Since I will be out of town from end of May until 6/9, I just want to check whether I need special arrangement with Niner to delay the shipment if needed.
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by pchw
Hi Anthony,
Do you rough idea of when the super load will be delivered to Niner's location?
Since I will be out of town from end of May until 6/9, I just want to check whether I need special arrangement with Niner to delay the shipment if needed.
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Well if I get all the funds by the weekend, place the order on the 20th, (19th is a Holiday), R-theta should have the order ready about June 3rd. The truck shipment to niner would likely be at niner's place around 9th or 10th of June.
Regards
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| Coulomb |
So the funds have started coming in, I will update the wiki. A little bit of bad news for me, Pay Pal is taking 3% for fees not the 1% I thought it was.
I will make a change in the PP fee calculation for those that have not yet submitted funds. I may have to back to the members who have already paid with hat in hand and ask for a few more bucks.
I will see if we can save some money on shipping to cover it. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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| Coulomb |
I am just waiting for three more Members to transfer funds and then I am placing our order!
Yay :D :D :D
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| niner |
Payment sent.
Anthony:
It would be easier if US members send me money directly. Anyway, please email me first before you sent any fund to me. I want to use a different paypal account for receiving money. |
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by niner
Payment sent.
Anthony:
It would be easier if US members send me money directly. Anyway, please email me first before you sent any fund to me. I want to use a different paypal account for receiving money. |
Well it's mostly all collected now, one more member to send funds and I will be able to place the order.
Regards
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| Coulomb |
Well I was not able to collect the critical mass of funds required to place the order by Friday as planned. My new Target is Tuesday if I can get the last critical payment confirmed. Monday is a Statutory here in Canada.
R-Theta have not been able to cofirm an exact delivery as they cannot freeze the material until the order is in hand, but they are still indicating 2 to 4 weeks. That would be to thier dock of course, Canadian members may see thier heat sinks arriving in 5 to 10 days after that. US members will need to add an extra week for the consolidated shipment to reach niner.
My apologies for all the postings, I just want everyone to have a high confidence this is going well. It has been 2 years since I last did a Group Buy, and I understand that in that time some have gone not so well.
Regards
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| Coulomb |
The order has been placed, I await confirmation from R-Theta.
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| roscoeiii |
Wow, just barely missed this group buy. Oh well. Just curious for my records, what the total cost for 2 12" heatsinks to the US came to?
And would 2 12" heatsinks be the appropriate size for a First Watt F1?
Just ordered a PCB, now on to all the other stuff.
If I get too impatient for the next group buy, any suggestions on where to look for surplus heat sinks? I see a lot of reference to them, but no concrete suggestions on where to look. |
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| argofanatic |
| Any news on when we should be getting goodies ? |
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| Coulomb |
I spoke with them a few days ago and they told me the order is being processed, but no delivery date as yet.
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by roscoeiii
Wow, just barely missed this group buy. Oh well. Just curious for my records, what the total cost for 2 12" heatsinks to the US came to?
And would 2 12" heatsinks be the appropriate size for a First Watt F1?
Just ordered a PCB, now on to all the other stuff.
If I get too impatient for the next group buy, any suggestions on where to look for surplus heat sinks? I see a lot of reference to them, but no concrete suggestions on where to look. |
Sorry Roscoe, the order was in already at the time you posted.
The cost of 2 x 12" to the US would have been around $180 including shipping.
You could try this GB
Conrad Heatsinks
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| Coulomb |
R-Theta left me a voice mail at work today, I was a little busy will call them back on Monday.
They are almost ready to ship and would like me to confirm the shipping info. This could mean packages on the way starting next week.
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| roscoeiii |
| Thanks for the info Anthony. I'll lookk into that Conrad group buy. Enjoy your heat sinks! |
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| Coulomb |
Well niner, the truck with the consolidated US shipment is on it's way.
The cartons are all individually packaged and if a members order was over 48 pounds it was broken into two boxes. So a few members will get two parcels.
All the packages are labeled with the Members Name, City and State. I am not sure why they could not have put the complete address on each box, but that should not be too much trouble for you. I will email a listing of complete addresses to you for your reference.
I will send you the cash for the calculated USPS charges via Pay Pal. The cash is tight so please let me know if there is a problem posting the packages with the estimates provided.
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| niner |
Anthony, do you have more information on the shipment. I'll try to keep an eye on it, but it helps a lot if I can track it. I'm sure I have to be at home to receive it.
Thanks for your effort! |
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| Coulomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by niner
Anthony, do you have more information on the shipment. I'll try to keep an eye on it, but it helps a lot if I can track it. I'm sure I have to be at home to receive it.
Thanks for your effort! |
Sent a PM with the tracking details.
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