| britbug |
Hi, is anyone intersted in group buys for these drivers in the US. I have been told it is likely to be ~ 35 % discount for 12. I wonder how much more there would be for larger numbers, so just wondering how much interest there might be if these were at say 100 or 125 each ?
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| leonardc |
I would be quite interested in a pair.
Leonard |
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| BWentler |
I would be interested in a pair also.
Please keep us posted.
Thank you,
Bruce J. Wentler |
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| Jazr |
| I would be interested in a pair too. |
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| g5design |
I would be interested in a pair also.
thomas |
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| BWRX |
| Sign me up for a pair if we can get them for $125 per driver. |
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| habsrock93 |
Count me in for a pair
Thanks
Dave |
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| Dang. Amateur |
I'll put down for a pair, maybe more depending on the final price.
Dan |
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| tommak |
| quote: | Originally posted by BWRX
Sign me up for a pair if we can get them for $125 per driver. |
Me too!
tommak |
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| dmason |
| I'd be interested depending on price. Thanks. |
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| Aengus |
Me too for two, depending on price.
Aengus
[edit] Looks like a (price-dependent) minimum of 20 so far. |
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| jerishi |
| I'd be interested in a pair of these speakers, and perhaps 4 if price comes down. But a pair for sure. Thanks- |
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| BWRX |
I didn't realize this until now but, on the Contact Us page of the E.J. Jordan website:
"Annual holiday
This office will be closed from Thursday, 6 September until Monday 10th October 2007. Email enquiries will be handled during that time but sales and technical correspondence will be dealt with after 10 October."
Looks like we'll have to wait another couple weeks before getting any further information about a possible group buy. |
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| klooker |
I'll take a pair.
Thanks.
Kevin Looker |
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| BWRX |
I sent EJJ an email and they have redirected it to EAD since they are now handling all sales of Jordan products. I'll let you guys know what they say as far as pricing.
britbug, if you're interested in heading this up as a group buy please do so. Otherwise I would be glad to do it if the pricing is good. |
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| timbarnes |
I'm interested in a pair.
Thanks,
tim |
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| h_a |
About what price are we talking here? How much roughly for 1 pair?
All the best, Hannes |
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| audiobomber |
| quote: | Originally posted by britbug
Hi, is anyone intersted in group buys for these drivers in the US. |
I'd like a pair, but I'm in Canada. Is that a problem? |
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| audiosteve |
Sign me up for a pair as well.
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| BWRX |
Ok folks. I have received an email from EAD and they have indicated that they are willing to work with us on a group buy. It is important to note that EAD is not considering this a discounted price for DIYers but a special one time offer.
There are a few important things everyone needs to know and agree on for this to work.
1) EAD would like this to be ONE order and thus would send ONE invoice to ONE person. This means someone would collect all the funds and transfer them to EAD. I will volunteer to do this as long as everyone is comfortable with me handling the finances. If everyone is comfortable with me doing this I would prefer that everyone pay by check. Paypal is convenient but 3% of the cost times 20 people really adds up, so it would be nice to avoid those extra fees if possible.
2) EAD would need to ship an order of this magnitude (price) to a business address. I am not able to have something like this shipped to the company I work for, but I will try finding someone from a local company who can. If I can't find anyone we would need someone with a business address to receive the shipment. We cannot proceed with the group buy if we do not have someone with a business address who can receive the shipment. Obviously, whoever receives these will also need to distribute them to everyone, so it would ideally be the same person that everyone sends funds to so we can avoid having to send funds to multiple people. If anyone is willing and able to handle the receiving and redistribution end of this please let us know ASAP!
3) The shipping options are by air or boat. Air would take about a week and would cost quite a bit. Boat would take about 4-5 weeks but would be much cheaper. We've all waited this long for some JX92S so I think we could wait another 4-5 weeks in order to save some money.
4) The one-time group buy price depends on the number of drivers. I was not given an estimated price but at the current time there appears to be interest for about 40 drivers, so I have asked EAD what price they would quote us at that quantity. Obviously we would also need to factor in shipping costs, customs declaration fees, bank transfer fees, and reshipping fees into the mix to determine how much each person will need to pay, so take that into account.
So... to recap: This cannot happen if we do not have a business address that can receive the shipment and a person willing to distribute them. I will see if I can find someone local to receive them but don't count on that happening. After that, we need to find out who is seriously interested and who isn't in order to come up with an order quantity.
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| klooker |
Hi group.
I have a business located in central Ohio & we do a fair amount of shipping/receiving via UPS & FedEx.
In terms of customs, I have imported some products from Asia but I let UPS broker the shipments. I think shipping drivers from the UK via UPS (UPS only does air shipments from Europe) would be expensive because they're pretty heavy.
To summarize: I have a facility & means to repack & ship out drivers but I don't have a customs broker.
Hope this helps.
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| leadbelly |
| Could somebody please explain this business address thing to me? How would EAD know if the address you gave them was a "business address"? Even a residence can be a "business address" if you work for yourself. Guess what, my house address just became the address for Leadbelly Engineering. |
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| klooker |
I don't know why a business address would matter to EAD but UPS & FedEx charge extra to ship to a residential address.
Perhaps EAD needs to uphold an agreement with their distributors by not selling or shipping directly to an end user (i.e. a residence). Most reputable manufacturers won't sell directly to end users unless they charge them full retail.
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| audiobomber |
| quote: | Originally posted by klooker
Perhaps EAD needs to uphold an agreement with their distributors by not selling or shipping directly to an end user (i.e. a residence). |
Bingo! |
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| BWRX |
| quote: | Originally posted by klooker
To summarize: I have a facility & means to repack & ship out drivers but I don't have a customs broker. |
Hi Kevin. I'll be sending you an email a little bit later.
| quote: | Originally posted by audiobomber
Bingo! |
Yep. That's basically it! |
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| Aengus |
My home address is also my corporate address, so leadbelly is right that this is a possibility. Delivery services sometimes have problems with deliveries to places that don't have a loading platform, though I don't think this would be an issue for 40 JX92Ss.
All of which may be interesting (or not), but is probably not that helpful; sounds to me like Kevin's offer may be the best one so far. I would also be willing to do this, but since most of the interest is in the US, and I'm in Canada, it may be more complicated - and potentially more expensive, I'm not sure what the customs implications would be. However, keep me as a backup resource if required.
And, by the way - :D YAY :D - sounds as if this is going to actually happen. Thanks, BWRX. |
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| stokessd |
I hope I'm not too late to get in on a pair of drivers. I'll take two pairs if they are in the $100 range. Just tell me when and where to send $$$
Sheldon |
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| BWRX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aengus
My home address is also my corporate address...
...keep me as a backup resource if required. |
Thanks for letting us know Aengus. You're definitely on deck if Kevin isn't up for this. It certainly does look like we can make this happen :)
To keep shipping/importing costs down, we need to limit this to a maximum of 5 boxes at 16 units/box; so a maximum of 80 units total. A box of 16 units ends up being about 30kg (~66lbs)!
EAD would also like to make this happen rather quickly, so I will send emails through the forum to everyone who has expressed interest so far. Currently, the tally is around the 40 unit mark. I am not going to speculate on the pricing and will wait for a reply from EAD. |
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| audiosteve |
Brian,
If you can get pricing I can then see if I will be able to get more than two in order to help fill the order to 80.
Thanks :-) |
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| Bill F. |
Depending on pricing, I may be in for at least 1 pair.
Bill |
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| BWRX |
| quote: | Originally posted by audiosteve
to help fill the order to 80. |
We certainly don't need to hit the 80 mark. In fact, that would be a pretty massive group buy as far as speakers go. Depending on how these are packaged by the manufacturer, they may need to be repacked prior to sending them out to individuals. That would require a lot of extra effort and would add to the cost because it's not easy to securely package drivers with off the shelf packaging materials.
In other news, klooker will most likely be handling the receiving/shipping aspect of the group buy since he has the facilities to do so. He may also handle the payment aspect since he is better equipped to handle that as well. We'll keep everyone updated as we find out more. I'm still waiting on a reply from EAD. |
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| leadbelly |
| I am interested in a pair. |
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| smallangryboy |
I'd be interested in a pair, but as this seems to be a US / Canada group buy I may be precluded being in the UK [shipping costs may rule out any saving too].
Let me know if it's viable for me. |
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| Sky123 |
| I am also interested in a pair, but as this seems to be a US / Canada group buy I may be precluded being in the UK [shipping costs may rule out any saving too]. |
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| folkeb |
| I would also like a pair if possible! |
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| BWRX |
| Still waiting for a reply from EAD. |
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| billnchristy |
I would be willing to buy another pair.
Would make it a heck of a lot easier to experiment without losing my 2ch rig!! |
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| Looneytunes |
Hey Brian,
Please pencil me in for a pair.
Looney |
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| t-head |
Price will decide, but pencil me in as well.
Richard |
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| Scott Lutes |
Hi
I'm also interested in a pair.
Scott |
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| BWRX |
Update
I got a reply back from EAD but the pricing is going to depend on the quantity. Based on the reaction so far, I am going to tell EAD that we would like a total of at least 70 drivers :eek: with 80 being the maximum. I will report back when we get pricing for that quantity.
Edit: I don't see a problem with folks from outside the US joining the group buy but realize that shipping will be fairly expensive. The most economical shipping option I can see is sending a pair of drivers in a USPS priority box for about 40USD. That doesn't include insurance, which might be a good thing to have. I'm not sure how much that would be. |
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| t-head |
Brian,
If two drivers fit in a flat rate box, and I believe they will, shipping cost to US and Canada will be approx $9 + insurance. Adequate padding will be necessary, so cost should reflect that as well. A possibility...(box is 11"x8.5"x5.5")
Richard |
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| BWRX |
Hi Richard.
If I will be doing the shipping then USPS priority boxes will definitely be used for US and Canada shipping. It's certainly the most cost effective method for shipping smaller heavy things like a pair of drivers. However, depending on how things work out I may not be the one doing the shipping. |
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| billnchristy |
Do they have a box that is about 12x5"?
I would guess my box from markaudio was about 10x6 or so so anything around that would be good.
I do not know if the flat rate boxes are hefty enough though, these suckers are pretty weighty. |
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| t-head |
Brian,
Understood...just thought I would make a suggestion and possibly save $
BillnChristy,
Only one size for the flat rate...as posted. They have a 12x12x7 but that ships by weight and not size.
Richard |
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| BWRX |
I've shipped up to 3 2.2kg transformers (~16 lbs including filler) in a flat rate box before. I would think they can handle a pair of properly packed JX92S's. How much does a JX92S weigh?
The flat rate boxes that would be used are 11in x 8.5in x 5.5in (as t-head said a couple posts up).
Edit: According to the diyparadise site, the shipping weight (actually mass) of a JX92S is 3.3kg, so a pair is the same as 3 2.2kg transformers :) They should be good as long as they can fit in the box with packaging. |
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| t-head |
Depth of drive units is 80mm. Can anyone convert to inches? I can't find a quick conversion table..:xeye:
edit: 80mm = 3.15" - could work with room for padding! :) |
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| ZUM911 |
I'd be in for a pair too, thanks
rick |
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| billnchristy |
Box the driver ship in (the actual driver box, not shipping box) is 5.75" x 6.25" x 4.25"
I went in the garage and checked. |
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| BWRX |
| Thanks for the measurments guys. It looks like a pair of drivers in the factory boxes will fit nicely inside a flat rate box with some padding. |
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| Aengus |
BWRX said:
| quote: | | It looks like a pair of drivers in the factory boxes will fit nicely inside a flat rate box with some padding. |
Um, I don't quite see it. Actual size of driver box (from billnchristy) is 5.75" x 6.25" x 4.25". Size of flat-rate box is 11in x 8.5in x 5.5in (inside dimensions?).
So if you put them in so the 4.25" inch size is aligned with the 5.5" dimension of the larger box, you've got 2x5.75" = 11.5" on the other axis - too long for the 8.5x11 shipping box. And any other orientation is too big for the 5.5" shipping box dimension.
Or am I just being obtuse? It has been a long day.
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| BWRX |
| Quite astute you are Aengus! What you don't know about the USPS flat rate boxes is that they aren't prefectly dimensioned. You can squeeze another 0.5 inches out of it lengthwise since they come packed flat and you have to tape them together yourself. USPS doesn't care as long as the contents aren't bulging the sides of the box too much. That's been my experience anyway. |
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| Aengus |
Hi BWRX
Well, that's only one of a (rough estimate) infinite number of things I don't know!
Thanks for the clarification.
Regards.
Aengus |
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| BWRX |
| Technically you aren't supposed to do that to the boxes but the local post office has never turned me down yet :) |
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| t-head |
Great! Nice work everyone. Maybe we can all save a few bucks, CAD$, lira, GBPs, AUS or whatever...
Now we just need a price for the drivers...;)
Richard |
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| jonk |
| I'd be in for 3 pieces. |
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| boudy |
One pair of drivers please.
Thanks. |
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| eparson |
| Put me down for a pair as well. Thanks |
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| BWRX |
| So far we've got 32 people interested in at least 67 drivers. As I said before, the maximum we can have is 80. If you've expressed interest and have not given a set number of drivers you want you will get what I have you signed up for - the least number you said you would be interested in. If you only said you were interested I assumed you only were interested in 2 drivers. First post first serve after I find out the price and let you guys know and no more than 4 drivers per person. |
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| Aengus |
| Two (2) drivers for me, please. |
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| t-head |
Pencil me in for 4 (four) drivers. Price dependent. Clarification, of sorts, of previous post.
Richard |
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| newtitan |
im in for FOUR drivers (ie two pairs) at 125 each or LESS :)
AWESOME thanks |
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| rhes4 |
| I'm in for 2 drivers |
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| LarryW |
I just got referred here by Anders from EAD. He told me there was a group buy going on. It would be great if I could get in on it.
Thanks,
LarryW (New York) |
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| BWRX |
| You guys have been added to my list. As it stands we're up to about 77 drivers. As mentioned before, we will cap this group buy at 80. Once I find out the pricing from Anders I'll let you guys know so we can get firm commitments and go from there. |
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| Bill F. |
I already said I was in for at least two, but I'll clarify that ambiguity to 4 if the savings are significant.
Bill |
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| jerishi |
| I'd be interested in a pair of these- let me know- am in wa. state.can use pay-pal or money order. If too late- that's fine-Let me know. Thanks- |
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| Aengus |
I will be out of town from tomorrow (Nov. 1) through Nov. 6 and am not going to look at a computer (it's what I do for a living), so won't be checking this GB or my e-mail. If the buy goes ahead in that period, please don't exclude me for non-response: I still do want two speakers.
Thanks.
Aengus |
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| DaveM |
I just found this thread and I would be interested in a pair, but it does appear that I will be over the Max number. Let me know if there is room to squeeze me in.
Thanks,
DaveM |
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| britbug |
I would like 2 drivers too, if the reserve list makes it down this far. Hopefully this will get a lot of these cool drivers out there.
Thanks
Graham |
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| jims |
Count me in for 1 pair. I would also go for a second pair if needed to bring down the price.
JimS |
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| BWRX |
Ok... due the large interest from everyone and the order cap at 80 drivers, each person will be limited to 2 drivers so that everyone who has expressed interest can get in on the group buy. Tallying up everyone interested so far gives us 38 people. That means we have room for TWO more people. If anyone else speaks up they will be put on the fallback list in case anyone decides to drop out.
Anders is the not the fastest at replying to emails for some reason, so I am still waiting to hear from him regarding pricing. |
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| mordikai |
| I would be up for a pair, please! |
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| jonk |
| Not to sound greedy, but I’d really would like three drivers since the purpose of buying these was for my modest (non surround) home theater and I wanted a center channel. So if we don’t get the 40th person can I pleeeeease have three? |
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| BWRX |
Sorry jonk. There were a number of us that would have liked 4 drivers (including myself) but in the interest of fairness and the spirit of DIY this group buy should let as many people in as possible. Unfortunately, that means a max of 2 drivers per person.
mordikai and another fellow have been added to the list so there is only one spot left. Anyone else after that goes on the fall back list. |
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| maxdd_nj |
Did the final spot fill up?
Count me in if price is in the 100-125/ea range.
Thanks, Max |
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| rlrohlfs |
| Put me down for 2 also. Has a price been determined yet? |
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| tubesguy |
| Hmm, could you put me on the list for a pair, or, if I'm counting correctly, on the fall-back list? Thanks - Pat |
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| BWRX |
| maxdd_nj is the 40th person on the list, so rlrohlfs and tubesguy are the first two on the fallback list. |
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| BWRX |
Ok guys, we have been given the special price of 110USD per driver for this one-time group buy.
That's 220USD per pair of drivers PLUS other costs. EAD is working on getting the shipping cost by boat as well as the lead time. OTHER COSTS include money transfer fees (from me to EAD), shipping from EAD to me, customs fees, brokerage fees, any taxes, shipping from me to you, the cost of any packaging materials, and whatever else I can't think of at the moment. All fees except for shipping from me to you will be split equally among the group buy participants. Assuming I can fit two drivers nicely into a flat rate box, shipping to US participants will be $9 plus insurance (if you'd like it). Shipping to members outside the US will be a minimum of $37 (international flat rate) UNINSURED or more if you'd like some insured option.
Off the top of my head, estimates for the fees could be about $30 for the money transfer, $40 for customs, $60 for brokerage, $50 for packaging materials... Assuming maybe $100 for shipping by boat and $100 for anything else, that comes to around $10 each. So that means your total cost for a pair of drivers will be about 230USD plus shipping from me to you.
I'll be emailing all of you on the list over the next few days with the above information and will ask for your information if you want to participate in this group buy. |
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| audiosteve |
| That sounds great. Can't wait. |
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| Valeriano |
Hello there..
spot the thread too late, anyway if more than two people are out, I'll be in for a couple of drivers.
Best regards,
.vale. |
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| audiobomber |
| quote: | Originally posted by BWRX
Shipping to members outside the US will be a minimum of $37 (international flat rate) UNINSURED or more if you'd like some insured option. |
Are you planning on shipping to Canada via USPS? Please don't use any of the courier services (UPS, FedEx, etc) for shipping to Canada. They charge a ridiculous brokerage fee on top of the shipping cost. It would probably be in the range of $50 for these drivers. |
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| leonardc |
just looked at my profile and not sure if you can email me or not - if you have any trouble please post here and I will get back to you. I check this thread every day or two.
thanks again for your great work on this, I can't wait to get these units and put then in a GM triangular enclosure.
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| BWRX |
| Hi guys. Don't worry, I haven't actually emailed any of you yet because I'm still waiting for the shipping quote from Anders at EAD. We're having some communication problems where all of my emails seem to be getting caught by his spam filter, but hopefully we'll get that sorted out and get things moving along here. |
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| Kraz |
Hi Brian,
Could I get in on this please? I will take a pair if at all possible.
Hope you can get me in.
Vik. |
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| hifiZen |
| Oooohhh, man. I suppose I totally missed the window on this one? :o :bawling: If not, I'm in for two... |
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| hifiZen |
| quote: | Originally posted by audiobomber
Please don't use any of the courier services (UPS, FedEx, etc) for shipping to Canada. They charge a ridiculous brokerage fee on top of the shipping cost. |
FYI, there is a little-known way around these heinous fees (at least for UPS, FedEx probably has a similar procedure), but it involves some legwork on the receiving end. Hopefully you're near one of the major airport hubs where UPS stuff is held in a bonded warehouse while awaiting customs clearance...
First, you've gotta get the tracking number right away when the package is shipped. You call up UPS and tell them you are going to "self-broker" the package through customs. This needs to be done before they start doing it themselves. When your package arrives in Canada (usually at YVR, YYC, YYZ, etc.), UPS will notify you. You go to the UPS brokerage office at the airport and pick up the customs documentation. Then you walk over to the Canada Customs office, usually only a block or two away. It helps if you already know the import code, otherwise the customs agent will have to look it up. There is an online listing somewhere (one of those gc.ca websites). You pay your duty/gst, and then customs will electronically notify UPS that your package is cleared. Walk / drive another couple of blocks to the UPS warehouse, and they'll release it to you right there. I don't know if they'll still do delivery after self-brokering. I've done this a couple of times at YVR and YYC, and it takes about 30-45min, if you go at a not-too-busy time of day (mid afternoon or something).
What bugs me about the whole thing, is that all it takes if 5 minutes or less for someone at UPS to look at the shipping manifest and determine the import codes. I'm sure they have search tools to help them do it. The rest is all automatic / electronic. So you're paying $50 for ... what??? Total gouge. There's no reason they couldn't just charge a flat fee of $5 or something. They'd still be making a profit on the brokerage service.
Anyway, worth keeping in mind for the future, if there's ever something you need to order cross-border, and UPS is your only option. |
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| audiobomber |
| I'm four hours away from any airport that the couriers use. What I hate about the sleazy "broker fee" is that they don't tell the shipper about it. The receiving party is told either pay up, or we return to sender and charge him for the return shipping. It's the sneakiness of it that burns my butt. |
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| BWRX |
| I have asked Anders if I can raise the order quantity, so if he allows it the rest of you who were on the reserve list or have asked recently will be in for a pair of drivers. |
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| Valeriano |
Thanks!
:D
BR,
.vale. |
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| Kraz |
Awesome.. thanx Brian.
Vik. |
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| tommak |
Brian,
Any status update? When do you feel this might happen, or not?
Thank you,
Tom |
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| BWRX |
| It will happen and should happen soon. I want to buy the drivers outright so I can collect payment on an individual basis instead of having to do it before making the purchase. I'm having some funds transferred around and should be able to make the buy next week :) |
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| stokessd |
If funds are any sort of issue, I'll be glad to pay first, I just need to know how much, and where to send it.
Maybe if it makes your life easier we could do a two pay fort of deal where we send you say $225 which should cover most of it. Then after you know the exact charges are, we send you another payment.
Sheldon |
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| newtitan |
| quote: | Originally posted by BWRX
It will happen and should happen soon. I want to buy the drivers outright so I can collect payment on an individual basis instead of having to do it before making the purchase. I'm having some funds transferred around and should be able to make the buy next week :) |
Im more than glad to pay upfront also if need be
thanks for the great deal!! |
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| BWRX |
| I appreciate the gesture guys, but I've already got the funds and am trying to get them paid for this week. I will post more details about payment after that. |
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