| chrismercurio |
I am interested in buying a pair of these tweeters. The retail is a little hard to swallow, but the price drops to $169 euro each if you buy 10 or more...this means if five people want two tweeters we would have a group buy. There are further price breaks at 20 and 50, but they are not as significant.
I am putting the feelers out to see what kind of interest there is.
Thanks,
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| thadman |
| How is this group buy going? I've done some research on this driver, and am very interested. That price is great too! |
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| el`Ol |
| Is it a problem that I live in Germany? |
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| chrismercurio |
you two are the first 2 interested. I kind of gave up after no one replied, but the price is really good. I don't think being in Germany is a problem. I will most likely see Alex of RAAL at Burning Amp this coming weekend and will discuss my idea with him.
Thadman - I don't know what AIM is.
Thanks!
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| thomaseliot |
Maybe here in Europe we have more chance to get better prices?
I emailed to RAAL today.
Worldwide sales and technical info:
Mr. Aleksandar Radisavljevic
info@raalribbon.com
Tel: +381 64 144 1111
Fax: +381 19 440 336
RAAL advanced loudspeakers d.o.o.
Djordja Simeonovica 4
19000 Zajecar
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| thadman |
What midrange are you guys planning on using with this ribbon? The Accuton C173N-T6-90 looks very interesting. High sensitivity, high output, high resolution, super low distortion of all types (even at 105dB+, measured over on HTguide.com). The best midrange I'm aware of...the only downside is the price. $460/each!!! Would you guys be interested in doing a group buy on this driver also?
http://www.madisound.com/catalog/pr...roducts_id=1563 |
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| chrismercurio |
I would love to buy a pair or two of those. The Visaton Ti-100 is nice as well, and far cheaper. It isn't as efficient, but also has extremely low distortion from 100-1.6k.
I don't know about a group buy on the Accuton/Theil units. In the US, Madisound is the only game in town besides Zalytron, and I think Zalytron buys them from Madisound. Maybe one of the guys in Europe can check with them direct?
As far as getting better prices in Europe, my price sheet is in Euro's.
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| el`Ol |
I have one guy who joins us and two are interested. But I told them it`s 169$ because I read "$169", now I read "$169 euro".
One guy asked for the additional shipping costs.
I intend to use the RAAL with FAL Flat C, which also has 95dB and is only 3" wide. If I don`t get it for a reasonable price here in Germany I build a three-way with Veravox 7X and Ciare HW321. |
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| chrismercurio |
then Raal.
C |
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| chrismercurio |
I forgot about the shipping. It has been a while since I shipped anything from the US to Germany. I can look into it.
Thanks,
C |
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| el`Ol |
| And it was Euro, not Dollar? |
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| chrismercurio |
Alex is in Serbia I believe, so his price sheet is in Euros.
I posted over in Lynn's forum about the buy. Maybe we will see some action as he has had some nice things to say. I thought I would see some action since Shinobiwan used it...but no.
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| OzMikeH |
At current exchange rate 169 euro is AUD$266 USD$239
I am interested, Depends on how much it will cost for reliable freight to Australia.
It's a stretch for me, They'd have to live tacked onto existing cabinets for a while, Going so low they should be ok with a de-whizzered EnABLed FE207E to start with.
I've never had ribbons before, how fragile/durable are the membranes? is it worth getting a spare set of membranes?
Are these going to be Ex Serbia, Germany or Canada? |
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| chrismercurio |
Yeah.
It's a stretch for me too. I am a new dad, and spending 1k on a pair of tweeters isn't going to happen, so ~$500 usd looked like a good deal by comparison if a few more guys were on board.
I will see Alex on Sunday at Burning Amp and talk to him about the group buy and how to handle shipping. It would be far easier for me to have him ship different orders to different people from Serbia, and far easier for him to have me handle it. The shipping charges will probably suck from the US to anywhere outside of it. I am willing to do it, but it isn't ideal.
"I've never had ribbons before, how fragile/durable are the membranes? is it worth getting a spare set of membranes?"
Probably. Ask Shin in his thread. I know he busted a pair, but I think he was doing something unconventional, not just playing music.
"Are these going to be Ex Serbia, Germany or Canada?"
What does that mean? I'm in California, USA.
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| OzMikeH |
So it's from Serbia then. ok.
There are dealers in Serbia, Gremany and Canada.
I get a lot of books from Amazon, show boat shipping isn't too expensive from the US. |
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| chrismercurio |
The group buy idea was a direct from Raal idea. I don't think Solen would hook me up!
So interested parties and quantities so far...
chrismercurio (2)
thadman (2)
el 'OL (2)
thomaselliot (2)
OzMikeH (2)
agent.5 (2)
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| el`Ol |
| Looks as if we could sum up to 20. What would be the price then? |
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| chrismercurio |
count 12, but we will see what happens. Lynn's thread is finally starting to buzz...I attached the price sheet that I have.
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| el`Ol |
| I have onother thread running at hifi-forum.de. |
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| winzer |
hi,
i´m also interested in 2 of those Drivers....
count: 14
greetings from Austria,
hari |
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| chrismercurio |
Wow,
I think we are going to hit most of the continents and certainly most of the large land masses with this one.
C |
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| el`Ol |
Update:
I have five persons interested at hifi-forum.
What would be the price for twenty pieces? |
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| chrismercurio |
a pdf of the price sheet in post 19.
C |
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| JohnAtwood |
I'm interested in buying a pair.
- John Atwood |
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| winzer |
perhaps we can split up in a "US"-group and an "Europe"-group to minimize shipping-costs... in this case we have to reach the 10 pieces two times. other continents can join the "weaker" group!? what do you think?
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| thadman |
$300+ discount if you buy 10, and $310+ discount if you buy 20 ahah. If $10 isn't enough motivation, I don't know what is.
off topic, what midrange/midbass are you guys planning on mating these with? |
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| agent.5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by winzer
perhaps we can split up in a "US"-group and an "Europe"-group to minimize shipping-costs... in this case we have to reach the 10 pieces two times. other continents can join the "weaker" group!? what do you think?
hari |
I don't understand why you need to split up into 2 groups in order to reach 10 pieces two times. I rather place one big order and have the order delivered to two separate locations. |
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| thomaseliot |
I agree for one big order.
Interest is growing and we can easily reach 25/30 pairs. Just a bit of patience.
With more than 50 pieces, IMO we can have a really favourable price under 140 euro. |
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| tinitus |
Wouldnt it be possible to place a common order with Raal and then Raal could ship them to each individual ... I dont see why not, it would still be a group buy
Make a collective payment in advance and there should be no problem ... ahhh, I guess different shipment would still be a problem
Maybe they should be delivered to a EU person, and he could ship to a single US member ... each of them should be responsible for the individual orders ... I think it would be cheaper |
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| winzer |
| quote: | | I rather place one big order and have the order delivered to two separate locations. |
if this is possible.... would be the best solution! |
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| chrismercurio |
So this took a while to gain momentum, but looks like it will be a go. I am attending Burning Amp on Sunday and will talk to Alex of RAAL when I'm there about the different options and possibilities.
I have a pair of Visaton TI-100's that I will use as mid's with these. I also have a pair of Audax PR170MO's that would work, but I don't like them as much as the Visaton. I can certainly see using Accuton, Audio Technology, Scan Speak, Seas Excel, and many others.
Thanks to all of you for supporting my idea.
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| mikey_audiogeek |
Hi Chris, I'd be interested in a pair as well, freighted to New Zealand. Note that USPS don't ship by surface to NZ, dunno about from Serbia.
Any other Kiwis interested?
Thanks!
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| pinkmouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by chrismercurio
I also have a pair of Audax PR170MO's that would work, but I don't like them as much as the Visaton. |
Burn him! Burn him!!! :D |
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| chrismercurio |
I like them. I just don't like them as much as the visatons. They seem shouty by comparison, but both kick my Jordan JX-92 to the curb. That little Visaton really does kick @ss.
My JBL 123-a's showed up today. Maybe today or tomorrow I can report back on what kind of bass the 30 year old woofers put out in OB |
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| jrd |
Chris:
Please put me down for one pair of 140-15D's!
I would also like to know the cost and availability
of replacement ribbons ordered at the same time.
TIA,
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| Bill Brown |
I would like to be in for a pair of the 140-15D's.
Bill |
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| thomaseliot |
I count 17 people possibly interested (including 5 on hifi-forum). This makes 34 pieces corresponding to more than 5000 Euro.
Quite a good basis to fix a good price (under 150 Euro?) with Mr. Aleksandar Radisavljevic at Burning amp. :D |
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chrismercurio (2)
thadman (2)
el 'OL (2)
thomaselliot (2)
OzMikeH (2)
agent.5 (2)
winzer (2)
JohnAtwood (2)
mikey_audiogeek (2)
jrd (2)
Bill Brown (2)
hi-fi-forum group (10)
tinitus ???? (2)
Total 32-34
This is what I have tracked so far. Tinitus made a comment but didn't say I want some. If anyone wanted to do surround with these bad boys let me know.
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| dnewcomer |
I would like to be in for a pair of the 140-15D's
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| jinkslynx |
You can sign me up for a pair, that price is just too good to pass.
Thanks for arranging this Chris
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| chrismercurio |
Chalk it up to I'm a new dad, wanted the tweeters, and couldn't swing retail. After I got the price sheet from RAAL, it occured to me that maybe others would want them.
Right now I'm listening to an Audax PR170MO and a pair of JBL 123-a's on an open baffle and it is AWESOME!
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| pinkmouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by chrismercurio
Right now I'm listening to an Audax PR170MO and a pair of JBL 123-a's on an open baffle and it is AWESOME! |
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| shane_ceglar |
Please add me to the list, I will take a pair.
Thanks,
Shane
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| kraljmatjaz |
I am interested in a pair too,
but only if there will be a "european group". It makes no sense for me to pay double shipping and double taxes if you first import the drivers too the States and than back to Europe.
Best regards,
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| vladimir |
I'm also interested in one pair in case of "Europe group" exists.
vladimir |
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| chrismercurio |
chrismercurio (2)
thadman (2)
el 'OL (2)
thomaselliot (2)
OzMikeH (2)
agent.5 (2)
winzer (2)
JohnAtwood (2)
mikey_audiogeek (2)
jrd (2)
Bill Brown (2)
hi-fi-forum group (10)
tinitus ???? (2)
dnewcomer (2)
jinkslynx (2)
shane_ceglar (2)
kraljmatjaz (2)
vladimir (2)
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| danny_66 |
You can count me in for a pair if there's an European group.
Danny
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| ShinOBIWAN |
Guys,
You really won't be disappointed with the 140-15d. I've been using for a few months now and its just something else for high frequencies. If your used to a dome tweeter then be prepared for a shock. For the first time you'll hear dynamics in the high frequencies. I had much prized Scanspeak R2904 ring radiators before this and I think they sound broken in comparison.
Very natural tweeters.
And yes I broke one whilst taking it apart to modify the front mounting plate. Alex sent a replacement ribbon I had it fitted within a half hour as its all self centring.
They also durable for a ribbon and can withstand peaks of 120dB without issue using a 1.6Khz/4th order XO.
Good look chaps and enjoy! |
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| thadman |
One of the forum members in your LGT Construction Diary thread mentioned that a revealing driver would sound conflicting when paired with this tweeter. Do you find that to be the case? I'm not sure if you've used a metal cone with these tweeters, but surely you have used a metal/ceramic cone before in one of your designs. Do you think one of these drivers would be at fault paired with the Raal?
Thanks for your time |
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| ShinOBIWAN |
Hi
As one of my own small quirks I tend to avoid using stiff cones. Out of all the projects I've built only one settled with a stiff cone and that was a Vistaton ti100. I have tried drivers such as the Seas Excel and Alu prestige but always swapped these out for more well damped materials such as paper in particular.
For the LGT's I only had one set of drivers and made no swaps or changes once I'd bought them which was refreshing. So no I can't really offer much of an opinion on the RAAL with Accuton or similar drivers. One forum member did offer an opinion to this effect and quite strongly suggested against it in his experience
The RAAL is strikingly neutral and dynamic so anything with a similar character *should* work well. The audiotechnology driver I'm using in the LGT are well matched and entirely seemless to my ears, even with concentrated effort to pick out discontinuties. |
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| Jazr |
Shinobiwan,
Did you ever compare the Raal to a Raven? I have the Raven R2 and I'm happy with it only excepting that I wish it had broader vertical radiation. There certainly is a sweet spot vertcaly with these. I have it mated to a PHL1120 and like that combo. Just wondering how the vertcal directivity compares. Has anyone seen or heard the new Raven Point Source as shown over at E-Speakers? |
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| ShinOBIWAN |
Dispertion on the RAAL is noticeably better. You can remove the pads so this can be easily demonstrated.
It will be better than the Raven but will it be enough? I can't say but you definitely don't need to be sat directly at ear level with it to still get all the air.
Its still a weak point in the design but it does the rest so well that I find it difficult to accept other alternatives just for the sake of this trait. |
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| mordikai |
| please count me in for a pair! |
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| len_scanlan |
Sign me up for a pair of 140-15D's too!
I'm hoping that RAAL may be able to collect payment and ship direct to each buyer - otherwise we need to find a very trustworthy member to handle the distribution and funds.
Cheers,
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| chrismercurio |
All,
I talked to Alex of Raal at Burning Amp today about doing a group buy. There are several reasons for why a DIY group buy is not a good idea for his business. He said he does not do them with DIY'ers but would entertain the idea under the following conditions:
-Pricing would not be OEM, but 25% off of retail
-Shipping and money are handled by one individual, meaning one point of cantact and one point of shipping for Raal
-Cannot sell or ship to anyone who lives in a country with a Raal dealer as this causes problems with the existing dealer/distribution network...Canada, Germany, Hungary, and there may be others I'm not aware of.
At 25 off, I can't afford them. On the bright side, this thread has highlighted a lot of very interested people in his fabulous ribbon loudspeakers. The best way for this to continue is for smaller groups within different countries to organize so that you can have a lower price and not deal with all of the shipping hassles.
Though I won't be purchasing any, I am still happy to organize a US based group buy if anyone is interested in that. Shipping for the whole order will be paid by everyone involved, and it will probably be shipped by boat as Air freight from Serbia is ridiculous!
Thanks for all of your interest and participation,
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| jrd |
I'm still in for a pair. Even though not as sweet a deal,
this still save about $400 over purchasing a pair from
Solen in Canada.
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| agent.5 |
I am still in, but Alex has to be kidding if he does not consider quantity when determining price.
By the way, RAAL sounded great today at burningamp. |
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| chrismercurio |
Now that you have two other speaker systems under your belt using different cone material, what do you think about the midrange from the Ti-100 used in 3 different versions of your first project? I have a pair of them and though they aren't the BEST mid I have ever heard, they are astonishingly good for the $.
As far as buying and producing in quantities, manufacturers always consider this. The thing is, the size of the order isn't the only issue at hand. I think I'll leave it at that and say that if a company builds a product that needs NO support, they have doubled their profit.
Please be happy about 25 off as it is a killer deal.
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| thomaseliot |
Chris
I'm afraid Alex doesn't want to sell to us.
His conditions are simply discouraging, because ridicolous.
He wants the advantages of a group buy (no risks with money collecting and delivery of single 25 sells), but no discount.
25% off from an official price list (usually optimistic) is what makes every shop for just one pair! For istance, Solen sells at 480$ while list price is 550$
So we have a 25% off 550$? What you save just covers high individual delivery costs from Serbia, instead of ordinary delivery costs from a retailer.
For Alex business 50+ pieces at 218$ (153€) is the honest price without discount: this is in his price list.
Alex's message is that we have to pay twice the price. 2x200=400$ more, for each of us, because he has had positive reviews. |
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| shane_ceglar |
What do you need to satisfy the requirements for OEM?.
One OEM, one point of contact and away we go at the 'right' price.
With the number of people interested at the OEM price, who ever was to be the point of contact might even get their pair for free, theres enough in this for it to work well IMO.
Dont give up so soon.
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| Volvo_Victim |
| count me in for an OEM pair too shane!! |
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| chrismercurio |
Well,
There are always those that will look a gift horse in the mouth. I'm going to publish an email response that I sent to a DIY member that will address most of the concerns voiced.
On the "Raal Advanced Speakers Price List" it says Wholesale/Dealer/OEM. How is our situation different than wholesale/OEM?
-Well, "we" aren't dealers or an OEM. "We" are a collective of hobbyists. "We" are being accomodated by Alex more than fairly with 25 off.
We are purchasing a large number of them.
-True. Possibly anyway, and the "We" is a collective of individuals, not a single entity. There is a difference.
Is there anyway to get around that deal (only 25% off instead of 56% off).
-None that I am aware of. You could always call Solen and talk to them but I really doubt it. You could always start your own speaker company and your speaker company could buy a number of pieces.
If I personally bought 10 units myself, wouldn't that be wholesale?
-It would be 10 units and up to Alex if he wanted to extend wholesale pricing to you. The general assumption behind being a dealer is recurring purchases, and one client. Supporting DIY in a group buy means MANY one time clients and NO recurring purchases. This means lots of support and no future business for him from us.
Thanks for everyone's interest. If supporting the business decisions of a small manufacturer doesn't make sense that is okay.
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| ShinOBIWAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by chrismercurio
Thanks for everyone's interest. If supporting the business decisions of a small manufacturer doesn't make sense that is okay.
C |
I've spoken for hours to Alex over the phone(he called me every time BTW) and I only bought a pair of 140-15d ribbons from him. So his support is first class and on a completely different level to that offered by the likes of Scanspeak, Seas and 90% of the rest. That goes for the sound too.
The post from thomaseliot is not something I like to see, especially since I think a lot of Alex and his products. Get over it, 25% is more than generous. If you don't like it then please keep your assumptions and personal opinion out of the picture and move on. |
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| chrismercurio |
| I appreciate your visible support Shin. I concur with your assertions about the deal, and the level of personalized support Alex provides that do not exist when compared to the likes of the larger OEM's. |
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| thomaseliot |
Sorry for the previous post, I was just disappointed for the end of this huge group buy.
| quote: | | I've spoken for hours to Alex over the phone(he called me every time BTW) and I only bought a pair of 140-15d ribbons from him. So his support is first class and on a completely different level to that offered by the likes of Scanspeak, Seas and 90% of the rest. That goes for the sound too. |
The quality of support is a lot more convincing argument than pure market reasons and I can't but agree. Now there is no hurry and I can wait for Lynn Olson advancements in Beyound the Ariel thread.
Regards
P.S.
| quote: | | Get over it, 25% is more than generous. If you don't like it then please keep your assumptions and personal opinion out of the picture and move on. |
Of course I deserve this unkindness for the reasons for wich I apologized before, though I was convinced that a forum is the right place where to discuss "assumptions and personal opinions". |
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| chrismercurio |
This is from an earlier post. thomaseliot can maybe organize the one for Italy? Lynn is using the double height 140-15d....and his development cycle has been interesting to watch.
The best way for this to continue is for smaller groups within different countries to organize so that you can have a lower price and not deal with all of the shipping hassles.
Though I won't be purchasing any, I am still happy to organize a US based group buy if anyone is interested in that. Shipping for the whole order will be paid by everyone involved, and it will probably be shipped by boat as Air freight from Serbia is ridiculous!
C |
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| ShinOBIWAN |
| quote: | | Originally posted by thomaseliot Of course I deserve this unkindness for the reasons for wich I apologized before, though I was convinced that a forum is the right place where to discuss "assumptions and personal opinions". [/B] |
It wasn't unkind, it was just frank and to the point which I felt was needed given your post. Nothing personal, just that comments such as those you posted are unfounded bad press for Alex/RAAL. He runs a small business and that means he has to make a living but where he differs from many is that he genuinely cares that your satisfied, even to the point where he'll ring you up and spend hours on the phone running through any issues you have until you are happy.
The RAAL's might seem expensive but consider that every ribbon is hand built by Alex and he really does a great job here. The materials used are top spec and certainly not found in mass produced ribbons such as Aurum Cantus and Founteks. Which brings me to another point; this isn't a mass produced factory orientated product, your paying for a transducer that has been assembled with care and individual inspected by its very designer every step of the way through construction, where else do you get that? This is very rare and frankly he needs to be charging his RRP to make this worth his time and effort. When you consider the product and the service, then its cheap and 25% off is a nice gift from him. I paid RRP and still think I got a bargain.
BTW forums are an excellent place for discussion but lets not knowingly post unfounded information just because you can't get the discount you feel your 'entitled' to. Like I said, I've got a lot of respect for his products and the way he runs his business. Besides this he's a nice guy too. |
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| thomaseliot |
ShinOBIWAN
The object of discussion is this document posted by Chris:
RAAL price list
Here you read OEM/DEALER = 153€ (50+)
The question was why a diyAudio 50+ group buy couldn't have the OEM price, like in most of group buys.
You and Chris have answered already to the question saying that for diyers it is included a great support, so that for us must be applied the retail price minus 25%
The support plus was not evident from the document, so many of us have asked for explanation (me, I admit, with a bit of disappointment).
Chris
If useful I can organize the group for Italy, though I see only one from Italy in previous posts. |
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| ShinOBIWAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by thomaseliot
[B]ShinOBIWAN
The object of discussion is this document posted by Chris:
RAAL price list
Here you read OEM/DEALER = 153€ (50+) |
Hi
Yes I know about the OEM pricing. This isn't an OEM buying the stock though so the group buy doesn't qualify.
That OEM pricing is cheaper for several reasons:
OEM's are consistant and repeat buyers of quantity meaning Alex has a steady source of income from an ongoing contract or agreement. Production costs for him are potentially lowered from larger orders rather than 'made per order' as he does for private individuals.
OEM's have to make a profit so to make it attractive to them the prices from RAAL have to take this into account. There's essentially a middle man involved and he wants his cut but in return he offers RAAL benefits that a private buyer doesn't.
OEM's have a market presence in the country they're based and RAAL is being distributed here with much more ease than buying direct from Alex in Serbia. Its serving RAAL's interest to make the product attractive to them and get it stocked and out there. Market Presence of any product is essential.
OEM's are essentially advertising the product and promoting it in an indirect way. This is important for any company.
OEM's support the product and deal with defects and repairs under warranty meaning RAAL figures this into the price making it cheaper.
Now a casual DIY'er, despite however many of you their are in a group buy, potentially fulfils only one of these and that's the promotion of the item by word of mouth of advertising.
Alex also has to be seen to be consistent and not alienate OEM's, who are predominately his bread and butter, by offering private individual comparable rates that they get. That's a priviledge of being an OEM and being able to offer RAAL some large benefits in return.
25% is very reasonable from Alex, he's not a greedy man but he is very realistic about the market he's operating in and fully intends RAAL to be a success. I'd be happy with 25% and build a kickass loudspeaker knowing you got it a good bit cheaper than the next guy.
EDIT: Useless grammer and spelling fixed. Its now merely bad. |
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| pinkmouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShinOBIWAN
EDIT: Useless grammer and spelling fixed. |
Do you want to try that again? :) |
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| ShinOBIWAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by pinkmouse
Do you want to try that again? :) |
Done :p |
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| chrismercurio |
wanted you to fix the spelling of "grammer".
Thanks for otherwise articulate post on why a DIY collective is NOT an OEM. I addressed it in a much more concise way hoping that it would be adequate.
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| ShinOBIWAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by chrismercurio
wanted you to fix the spelling of "grammer". |
I'm getting paid way too much at work :D |
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| SamL |
Their 70-20XR looks to be a very versatile ribbon. Unfortunately only available to signed OEM.
"World’s smallest form factor for a true ribbon of just 1.8 kHz cutoff frequency, reliable, able to handle a lot of power, sounding like it doesn’t exist... All that by using only one series capacitor as a complete L-R 4th order crossover at 1.8k, combining acoustical and electrical slopes, with minimum of added passive crossover components."
Sorry.. a bit off topic but it looks like what I've been looking for. A ribbon to match with 18W 8531g, in a 2 way and able to cross low. |
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| chrismercurio |
| It's a planar but you could use a BG Corp Neo3PDR instead. |
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| shane_ceglar |
If we can get more than 4 people interested in pairs from Australia (Volvo-Victim, I am in also in Adelaide), theres absolutely no reason why we cant push through 10pcs at OEM price legitimately (ABN and business reg.) We could watch Lynns thread develop to a point of commitment and then move forward as a small group. Volvo-Victim, if you're in.. we need just three more.. any takers?.
Shane Ceglar
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| OzMikeH |
I'm interested from Australia, But only for the 140-15D because I need the efficiency.
I'll be able to purchase about December but I fully expect we'll take at least that long to get our act together. I'm in WA.
For interest mine (to begin with) will be mated with EnABLed Fostex FE207E with active 4th order XO and modified Trends TA10.1 amps. Cabinets undecided, maybe MJK's ML-TL, Frugal spawn Chang or Ron's Dallas II.
I do agree with the previous arguments about DIYers not being genuine OEM purchasers but I'm sure an Australian speaker dealer may be able to help us out with zero markup for the first batch so they can get their hands on a pair for assessment.
Pinging COEM Audio! Are you reading this? |
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| kraljmatjaz |
Hello,
25% off regular price is not a good price for me.
I don't really need the RAAL ribbon, but the 169 Euro price was a good deal, for future projects.
25% off is not good anymore, because if you consider shipping + taxes you ray a lot more than regular price in shop (import inside the EU).
If we consider the suggested price for a pair = 770 Eur - 192,5 discount = 577,5 Eur
add something like 50 Eur shipping = 627,5
add 5% customs 31,4 Eur = 659 Eur
add 20% taxes = 132 Eur
Total = 791 Eur.:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: |
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| el`Ol |
| I saw a place where they have the Beyma AMT for 399 Euro. |
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| Volvo_Victim |
| Shane and OZmikeH count me in for a pair of 140s! |
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| shane_ceglar |
OzMikeH, thanks for the info. I'm running karna style amps but with filbiased SE input/drive with ariel style speakers at the moment. Would like to wait until the RAAL is locked in from a design point. Assuming he goes ahead with these.. (has them in hand and with not so many alternatives) I'm sure we can wrap this up pretty quickly. Seems all we're needing is for two more people, unless someone wants spares.
shane_ceglar
OzMikeH
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| Volvo_Victim |
Creating an ABN is no sweat- i think it takes about 15 minutes online. I created one and got the certificate within 2 weeks.
To create one, just search for ABN registration on google. |
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| ashaw |
| An ABN may be easy to get and free. but a company that is registered through ASIC is not. the price is upwards of $500 initially and there are maintenance fees. it is in no means easy to just set up a shell company just for a group buy. |
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| shane_ceglar |
| We'll get there.. first we need two more people. |
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| OzMikeH |
I think getting an ABN just for a group buy is a bit shonky.
I suggest approaching a business to buy 5 pairs with guaranteed sales of 4 pairs for a minimal (or zero) fee for their handling.
The business gets to try out the drivers for minimal expense and risk. They arent going to put the cash up front with no profit in it but we could sweeten the deal by paying the business up front.
Hopefully the business then goes on to become the Australian dealer for RAAL. |
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| Harry3 |
I'm thinking of purchasing the RAAL as well, if the price is right.
I will ask the purchasing manager here at work if we can buy them through the company I work for. If this is possible I might be able to ship to you guys for free as we have brances all over Australia.
regards
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| shane_ceglar |
OzMikeH,
I completely agree with what you say, and I'm not sure anyone mentioned specifically registering a business for this purpose.
Although, there have been several instances where it has just been asumed.
If a larger and more established manufacturer was interested in evaluating the drivers with a view to distributing the product, thats terrific and I'm all for it. The only potential consideration might be having the first four pairs walking out the door with zero markup at the same time crossing 4 customers from the potentials list.
Of course if we dont have 5 people, we dont have a starting point.. seems to me that might be our largest concern, the rest should play out naturally enough.
Regards,
Shane |
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| Volvo_Victim |
There seems to be a resonable amount of interest from aussies.
A group buy of 5 pairs doesn't need to be OEM neccessarily- 25% is still reasonable for a 10+ unit group buy, even if it's not OEM pricing? |
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| shane_ceglar |
| Volvo-Victim, 25% might be good, but OEM is better.. and attainable. |
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| ashaw |
| I am interested But even $550 is a lot of money for me at the moment though in a couple of months maybe able to buy much more easily. |
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| Harry3 |
IMO 25% off is not a good deal.
We should aim for 169 Euro or less. |
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| shane_ceglar |
| Harry3, you want in? |
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| Harry3 |
Yes for the 140-15D at 169 euros plus shipping.
Just a thought, I could ask some one I know who manufactures audio products to help us out. |
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| shane_ceglar |
| by all means, maybe they'd like a pair?. |
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| stoolpigeon |
As far as I know OEM means original equipment manufacturer and it sounds to me like you lot are just interested in scamming a cheap price.
If I was the maker of RAAL I would tell you to **** off. |
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| ShinOBIWAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by stoolpigeon
As far as I know OEM means original equipment manufacturer and it sounds to me like you lot are just interested in scamming a cheap price.
If I was the maker of RAAL I would tell you to **** off. |
Not the best way to put it but yes, I don't think Alex will be too impressed by the tactics.
Guys, if your really wanting that OEM discount how about emailing Alex and trying to work through the details that way him? Has anyone aside from Chris even bothered to contact him? |
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| shane_ceglar |
If the receiving party was a legitimate manufacturer of original equipment, there should be no problem. Frankly, I dont see what your problem is or what it has to do with you. Thanks for your opinion.
Shane |
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| chrismercurio |
| Some people will never get it. |
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| Harry3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by stoolpigeon
As far as I know OEM means original equipment manufacturer and it sounds to me like you lot are just interested in scamming a cheap price.
If I was the maker of RAAL I would tell you to **** off. |
Stoolpigeon I've worked hard for my money so I don't give it away. I don't like the language you use and you don't offer anything constructive.
Shane I'll get back to you with more information next week as I have to take off and pick up my kids. |
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