| pooge |
Does anyone know of any available pictures of authentic Toshiba transistors to get an idea if purchased transistors are legit?
Just purchased a batch of 2SA970BLs, among others, and the hfe of some of them were under spec (~230s, when they should have been over 350.
Some were to spec, though, and they appeared different. The ones to spec had a grey ink labeling, whereas the ones not to spec appeared to be laser marked. The good ones had a different sized package, too. From the top, they completed more of a circle before the flat than the bad ones. The bad ones also had a letter of various letters of the alphabet in a small round flat on the opposite side of the main flat, where the good ones had a plain round flat with no letter.
The different packages made me wonder if they are authentic. It's possible Toshiba changed the packaging when they went no lead, but I can't get anyone from Toshiba to give me an answer on that. It's also possible that they mislabled a batch. However, a changed package and not to spec makes me wonder. |
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| AKSA |
Don't be fooled by high beta. Sometimes they are the inferior devices; recently I bought a whole batch of 5401s made in Korea, and they are less robust and yet higher beta.
Hugh |
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| sam9 |
| The fake power BJTs I bought a couple of years ago had glossier pins and case than the real thing. Also the makings on the real Toshibas were hard to read except in really bright light while the fakes had much more legible markings. Overall the fakes "looked" more "genuine" than the real thing -- went up insmoke when power applied. Strange but true. |
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| sandyK |
Considering that you can buy 2SA970s from as low as U.S. 10C
each from suppliers such as Futurlec, it may not be worthwhile for forgers to make them. There is much more money to be made selling counterfeit Toshiba power transistors etc.
How accurate is the transistor tester, and is it being used with the same base current etc. as Toshiba tests their devices?
HFE readings will vary dramatically with different makes of DVM, where Transistor Test is added more as a marketing ploy.
Best results are obtained with a dedicated transistor tester fitted with a digital panel meter. An ordinary moving coil meter, for example, has trouble giving a close reading , and sometimes may be useless with devices like MPSA18 , where the HFE often goes as high as 1,200
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| vynuhl.addict |
The genuine toshiba devices like you say "complete more of a circle" before the flat front, they are also larger width wise (around 5mm) than the american TO-92's which seem to conisistently use a smaller case size with more of a half circle rear profile, I have been sold in the past numerous questionable to-92s, I recall reading somewhere that the counterfeitting of these small devices are more rampant than power devices, most unfortunately unfortunate in all cases.
Colin |
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| jacco vermeulen |
| Here you go, the one on the right is the Indian Bentley "Continental" so to speak |
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| jacco vermeulen |
If you are serious in audio best is to buy a great many and stick 'm on a piece of paper, write the hFE numbers next to them.
You can then just pick the matching/desired items.
Only issue is that every time you buy a new batch you add another piece of paper with Q's untill you end up with an encyclopedia, unless you fancy transistor puzzles. |
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| sandyK |
Jeez, that looks familiar !
SandyK |
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| pooge |
| quote: | Originally posted by jacco vermeulen
Here you go, the one on the right is the Indian Bentley "Continental" so to speak |
Thanks for the pic. My good spec ones do look like that. The printing and fonts are the same. I didn't manage to get a response from a nameless person in Toshiba support that actually had some value. The explanation of the code "7C" means made in March of 2007. STILL couldn't get any answer about whether or not they changed their packaging and printing recently. I was informed after a half dozen email exchanges that if I didn't buy them from Toshiba or an authorized Toshiba distributor, that they couldn't guarantee that they were authentic. I'm starting to wonder if tech support people are actually skilled and trained to dodge questions rather than being just plain stupid. I just can't get them to state whether or not they have made this other package or not, or refer me to someone who actually knows. |
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| pooge |
| quote: | Originally posted by AKSA
Don't be fooled by high beta. Sometimes they are the inferior devices; recently I bought a whole batch of 5401s made in Korea, and they are less robust and yet higher beta.
Hugh |
I know high beta does not mean that they are authentic. But a low beta means they do not meet spec. Granted, I only prescreened them with a DMM hfe tester. I don't argue that they are really accurate, but all of the devices measured in the proper spec range except for the odd looking packages. |
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| jacco vermeulen |
See, i really am a turd, forgot to put some late production numbers in the spotlights.
Here's a Bebruari 0-fiver, the lettering is yellowish instead of white. |
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| Nordic |
Toshiba has some global distributors listed on their website... in Europe and the UK, they seem to have quite a few outlets...
I do the same thing with sticking them to paper...
small caps and ceramics too... measure them, write it down, and in future it is esay to pick close matching ones, or odd ones depending on the intended use... |
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| Hartono |
| the problem is when the distributor sell fakes..... |
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| Hartono |
| Jacco ,putting Hfe on paper and sticking the transistor beside......that's very neat idea ~~!!!! |
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| Nordic |
| I think by all means then it should be reported back to Toshiba. |
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| jacco vermeulen |
They're supposed to drop 'm from a plane?
Considering the many millions Toshiba made of the big ones in the pic, the numbers of the small stuff they manufacture must be mindboggling
(Hush, i'm a big kid, enjoy covering a table with domino bricks) |
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| jacco vermeulen |
You likey pretty pics, yes ?
Try this, i'm a Toshiba inlet=> |
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| Hartono |
| OMG Jacco..........did you live behind the distributor.... |
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| Zen Mod |
| quote: | Originally posted by jacco vermeulen
They're supposed to drop 'm from a plane?
Considering the many millions Toshiba made of the big ones in the pic, the numbers of the small stuff they manufacture must be mindboggling
(Hush, i'm a big kid, enjoy covering a table with domino bricks) |
| quote: | Originally posted by jacco vermeulen
You likey pretty pics, yes ?
Try this, i'm a Toshiba inlet=> |
naah..........
all those are dreky fakes .............
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| jacco vermeulen |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zen Mod
dreky fakes |
True, 50 volt dual JFETs must be drek fake |
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| Zen Mod |
| quote: | Originally posted by jacco vermeulen
True, 50 volt dual JFETs must be drek fake |
yup. I told you so :dead: :clown: |
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| jacco vermeulen |
Mmm Zen,
what time does the casino open at your place ? |
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| pooge |
| jacco, I think you could make a lot more money selling matched sets! |
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| Hartono |
| keep stacking!!!:clown: |
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| jacco vermeulen |
The g/f returned from the Rotterdam casino at 04.30 last saturday morning.
Next time i'll ask her if she can spot Borbely at the crabp tables. |
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| Hartono |
"Next time i'll ask her if she can spot Borbely at the crabp tables."
What do you mean ? he's on the vault ! :clown: |
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