Recently there have been some interesting new fullrange drivers coming out of Japan . . . well, actually "coming out" may not be the right phrase since nobody outside Japan -- at least that I know of -- has yet to hear them. But they seem to have a devoted following inside the country.
Here's a link to a current Internet auction in Japan (all Japanese but a link to an English explanation is provided):
Exact E-12D/SPL alnico 5-inch fullrange driver
Earlier this same manufacturer had an even wilder (and even more expensive -- by a large margin) 6.5 inch driver up for auction:
In any case, if esoteric fullrange drivers interest you, this company may take the cake.
Here's a link to a current Internet auction in Japan (all Japanese but a link to an English explanation is provided):
Exact E-12D/SPL alnico 5-inch fullrange driver
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Earlier this same manufacturer had an even wilder (and even more expensive -- by a large margin) 6.5 inch driver up for auction:
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
In any case, if esoteric fullrange drivers interest you, this company may take the cake.
Imaginary coaxial loudspeaker?
"Imaginary coaxial loudspeaker?" Where did it say that? One thing is for sure, though -- there is no comparable system (at least that I know of) in the world of audio (apparently it was patented), and this is the hardest part (and the most important part) of the technology to comprehend in order to understand these drivers. I have been following them in Japan for some time now and read a lot about them in Japanese. (There is extensive documentation available in Japanese.) I finally came to the conclusion that I needed to hear a pair, precisely because there is nothing comparable on the market. Sometime this month I'm going to review a pair at my home, and if I like them, they're staying. Not the top of the line Permendur models, though. I couldn't afford them. I'll be listening to their basic 5-inch drivers. My current loudspeakers are large Pioneer 3-way bookshelf speakers (list price about $4,000/pr) so there should be a world of difference. If I decide to keep the Exact speakers, I'll sell the Pioneers to help defray the cost.
"Imaginary coaxial loudspeaker?" Where did it say that? One thing is for sure, though -- there is no comparable system (at least that I know of) in the world of audio (apparently it was patented), and this is the hardest part (and the most important part) of the technology to comprehend in order to understand these drivers. I have been following them in Japan for some time now and read a lot about them in Japanese. (There is extensive documentation available in Japanese.) I finally came to the conclusion that I needed to hear a pair, precisely because there is nothing comparable on the market. Sometime this month I'm going to review a pair at my home, and if I like them, they're staying. Not the top of the line Permendur models, though. I couldn't afford them. I'll be listening to their basic 5-inch drivers. My current loudspeakers are large Pioneer 3-way bookshelf speakers (list price about $4,000/pr) so there should be a world of difference. If I decide to keep the Exact speakers, I'll sell the Pioneers to help defray the cost.
Imaginary coaxial loudspeaker?" Where did it say that?
On the magnet of the larger speaker. We used to call it a "dual cone" speaker.
Tim
I'm now working for a Japanese company. Some of the translations to English can be down right hilarious.tsmith1315 said:
On the magnet of the larger speaker. We used to call it a "dual cone" speaker.
Tim
Say, that *IS* a hoot!
I never noticed that label on the magnet before! That is funny. After reading the maker's explanation, I understand why he used that phrase, but still. Gee, I wonder if he'll let me pay with imaginary money?
The Japanese do have a way with naming and labeling products. A "creamy powder" coffee creamer is called CREAP. A popular drink similar to Gatorade is called Pocari SWEAT. And Mitsubishi sells a 4x4 on/offroad vehicle here in Japan that had to be renamed for overseas sales since the Japanese name is Pajero, which is Spanish slang for a guy who masturbates! Anybody care to drive around in a Mitsubishi Masturbator?
I'll have to contact the maker and suggest he come up with a label that is a little less entertaining for us foreigners.
I never noticed that label on the magnet before! That is funny. After reading the maker's explanation, I understand why he used that phrase, but still. Gee, I wonder if he'll let me pay with imaginary money?
The Japanese do have a way with naming and labeling products. A "creamy powder" coffee creamer is called CREAP. A popular drink similar to Gatorade is called Pocari SWEAT. And Mitsubishi sells a 4x4 on/offroad vehicle here in Japan that had to be renamed for overseas sales since the Japanese name is Pajero, which is Spanish slang for a guy who masturbates! Anybody care to drive around in a Mitsubishi Masturbator?
I'll have to contact the maker and suggest he come up with a label that is a little less entertaining for us foreigners.
Did I get it rigt, the price is 147,00 Yen ?? Well if they are really good then they may be even worth it. An MSW is also around USD 1000.- for comparison.
I think the worst thing about this is not its name, not even that it tastes bad (O.K. I am biased I don't like any drinks of that kind, not even the one made by a famous Swiss food company), but they way how streets in cities are cluttered with vending machines for that (and beer and softdrinks and ......).
Regards
Charles
A popular drink similar to Gatorade is called Pocari SWEAT.
I think the worst thing about this is not its name, not even that it tastes bad (O.K. I am biased I don't like any drinks of that kind, not even the one made by a famous Swiss food company), but they way how streets in cities are cluttered with vending machines for that (and beer and softdrinks and ......).
Regards
Charles
About the price at the current auction
Yes, the starting price at the current auction is 147,000 yen for the pair. Speaking as one who has read nothing but raves for these drivers among Japanese users, and as one who as drooled over these auctions for well over a year now (the sheer variety of the drivers he has auctioned is amazing for what is essentially a one-man operation, although it is true that they have all tended to be variants of a few basic models), I feel that these particular drivers are a bargain at this price. Mind you, I haven't actually heard them! But here in Japan he can sell them as fast as he can make them (which isn't very fast, to be sure). Some guys have a pair that they listen to, and several additonal pairs that they just wanted to collect, so they sit around in their original cartons doing nothing. And some fellows are actually using these for home theater! I'm sure it sounds great, but one could see LOTR in the movie theater many times for the cost of a system based on these drivers! In any case, if I had 147,000 in my pocket, you can be sure I would not have posted information about these drivers! (Except possibly as a review). I can't wait to test drive some of this family of fullrange driver at my home later this month. It is something I have been looking forward to for over a year now.
Yes, the starting price at the current auction is 147,000 yen for the pair. Speaking as one who has read nothing but raves for these drivers among Japanese users, and as one who as drooled over these auctions for well over a year now (the sheer variety of the drivers he has auctioned is amazing for what is essentially a one-man operation, although it is true that they have all tended to be variants of a few basic models), I feel that these particular drivers are a bargain at this price. Mind you, I haven't actually heard them! But here in Japan he can sell them as fast as he can make them (which isn't very fast, to be sure). Some guys have a pair that they listen to, and several additonal pairs that they just wanted to collect, so they sit around in their original cartons doing nothing. And some fellows are actually using these for home theater! I'm sure it sounds great, but one could see LOTR in the movie theater many times for the cost of a system based on these drivers! In any case, if I had 147,000 in my pocket, you can be sure I would not have posted information about these drivers! (Except possibly as a review). I can't wait to test drive some of this family of fullrange driver at my home later this month. It is something I have been looking forward to for over a year now.
phase_accurate said:Did I get it rigt, the price is 147,00 Yen ??
that is like $1.50 each. it cant be that cheap. must be more.
Navin
O.K. I made a typo, but my price is still 100 times higher than the one you stated !!!
But they are cheaper than I assumed, I thought they might be around USD 1500.- each ! O.k. they are still not a bargain compared to many well performing alternatives, OTOH my MSWs were also around USD 1000.-/piece two years ago.
Regards
Charles
O.K. I made a typo, but my price is still 100 times higher than the one you stated !!!
But they are cheaper than I assumed, I thought they might be around USD 1500.- each ! O.k. they are still not a bargain compared to many well performing alternatives, OTOH my MSWs were also around USD 1000.-/piece two years ago.
Regards
Charles
I wrote:
And I stand corrected. Turns out the description refers more to the voicel coil arrangement:
We used to call it a "Dual Voice Coil."
It is an interesting winding arrangement, and would seem to keep both coils as equivalent as possible. Reading on, he uses a servo to control cone motion through the additional coil.
Tim
On the magnet of the larger speaker. We used to call it a "dual cone" speaker.
And I stand corrected. Turns out the description refers more to the voicel coil arrangement:
Seen mechanically, Exacta drivers are one-way (fullrange) transducers; however, seen electronically, Exacta drivers are actually two-way transducers - and it is as if the two transducers had been superimposed and melded into one.
We used to call it a "Dual Voice Coil."
It is an interesting winding arrangement, and would seem to keep both coils as equivalent as possible. Reading on, he uses a servo to control cone motion through the additional coil.
Tim
Exact E-12D drivers
Hi Cdwitmer,
With an interest I saw your post from last year regarding the Exact drivers. Are you using them now? In the case yes, may I ask your opinion on their soundreproduction? Is it possible to get more information about them? Thanks in advance!
For the past year I have been using vintage 12" Philips alnico "kino" drivers, that can be seen on my introduction posted yesterday. They have a wonderful sound, but are not real full-range drivers, fading after 5Khz.
I like the idea of a one-point source speaker since I have a quite small musicroom of about 4x5meters. For a while I used Philips 9710M in open baffles, they have a very sweet sound too.
My system:
EMT 930 turntable with Denon DL-103,
vintage RCA riaa construction,
2A3 single ended amp,
Philips 2278-00 drivers +
Fostex T-825A hf-drivers.
Best regards,
Thomas
Hi Cdwitmer,
With an interest I saw your post from last year regarding the Exact drivers. Are you using them now? In the case yes, may I ask your opinion on their soundreproduction? Is it possible to get more information about them? Thanks in advance!
For the past year I have been using vintage 12" Philips alnico "kino" drivers, that can be seen on my introduction posted yesterday. They have a wonderful sound, but are not real full-range drivers, fading after 5Khz.
I like the idea of a one-point source speaker since I have a quite small musicroom of about 4x5meters. For a while I used Philips 9710M in open baffles, they have a very sweet sound too.
My system:
EMT 930 turntable with Denon DL-103,
vintage RCA riaa construction,
2A3 single ended amp,
Philips 2278-00 drivers +
Fostex T-825A hf-drivers.
Best regards,
Thomas
Unsurpassed sound, but expensive and slow in coming
Dear Thomas,
I purchased an "ancient" pair of Exact drivers used and sent them to the manufacturer, Mr. Sano, for rebuilding into a completely new type of driver, very similar to his most recent drivers. However, since they are not part of his regular production line, it is essentially a one-of-a-kind special order job. In return for keeping the cost to a minimum, he only works on them when he has spare time, so it is taking forever (well, the better part of a year now) for them to get finished.
I have had several opportunities to hear these drivers, and I am convinced that they represent one pinnacle of sound reproduction. Among fullrange drivers, they are without equal. No other driver comes as close to being a true fullrange. Their high end is simply outstanding, extending flat out to 18kHz and then gradually rolling off. Their bass is quite solid as well, although it varies depending on the model. They are flat (within 3dB) down to 40Hz for most of the 12cm models, and down to 30-35Hz for most of the 16cm models. The models that perform best with the deep bass, going down to around 25Hz, are extremely expensive even by Exact standards.
And all the Exact drivers are expensive compared with other fullranges. The "standard models" cost about what you would normally pay for some of the better Lowther/AER drivers, and the most high-end models cost more than anything available from AER. My personal feeling is that it makes sense to get some of the less expensive drivers and pair them with a subwoofer if one requires faithful reproduction of the lowest bass. Not only is the total cost cheaper, the drivers will have better power handling if used with a subwoofer. Having said that, the lowest string on an upright bass is about 40Hz, and for most of my listening I would not need a subwoofer with any of the Exact drivers.
Between the two extremes of high and low, the Exact drivers are extremely flat, without any peaks. This is because they are used with a special servo circuit, called the EL control, that is installed between the power amplifier and the drivers. Without this circuit, these drivers would have a gradually rising response curve (somewhat) similar to Lowthers. Some people prefer the sound without this circuitry, and others like to switch back and forth depending on the music. Having listened to various models both with and without the circuitry, my personal conclusion is that the 16cm drivers with large diameter voice coils sound best without the EL control, and all the other drivers sound best with the EL control. But it is highly subjective; some other listeners shared my feelings exactly and others did not.
This brings up another point, the sound of the drivers can be shaped by many variables. They can be used with or without acoustic lenses, and the lenses can be flipped upside down for a different dispersion effect. (I usually prefer them without acoustic lenses.) The EL control has several possible settings, and there is the option of eliminating that as well. Even the enclosure port is adjustable like the zoom lens of a camera. (The port can be purchased by someone who makes his own enclosure.)
Most of the drivers are used in ported cabinets of around 40 liters volume. The 12cm drivers can also be used in a 15 liter cabinet with very good results.
I should emphasize that the drivers are actually much different from Lowther type drivers in some important respects. The range of cone movement is much greater with these drivers than with Lowthers, by a factor of 10. Lowthers are best for horn loading, and these are best for ported enclosures.
The first pair to an overseas buyer went to a gentleman in Hong Kong, just the other day, and he has not yet begun to use them. A gentleman in Singapore already has a pair on order, and a gentleman from Sweden shall soon be placing an order. The Swedish gentleman has visited Japan several times to meet with Mr. Sano. Anyone contemplating becoming the next overseas purchaser will need not only deep pockets (depending on the model), but also a great deal of patience, as the absolute shortest time to completion is about 60 days, and waits twice that long are not uncommon. Part of this is because Mr. Sano customizes each driver according to the needs of each user, and partly it is because he is a totally uncompromising perfectionist, and part of it is because he does almost everything himself, and he only has two hands.
Another bottleneck is me, since I translate messages back and forth between Mr. Sano and overseas purchasers, and I sometimes get extremely busy at my work. (I work in the head office of one of Japan's largest securities companies.)
I expect I'll get my drivers in another three months. As one who knows their sound well, I can say with confidence it will have been worth the wait.
Christopher Witmer
Tokyo
Dear Thomas,
I purchased an "ancient" pair of Exact drivers used and sent them to the manufacturer, Mr. Sano, for rebuilding into a completely new type of driver, very similar to his most recent drivers. However, since they are not part of his regular production line, it is essentially a one-of-a-kind special order job. In return for keeping the cost to a minimum, he only works on them when he has spare time, so it is taking forever (well, the better part of a year now) for them to get finished.
I have had several opportunities to hear these drivers, and I am convinced that they represent one pinnacle of sound reproduction. Among fullrange drivers, they are without equal. No other driver comes as close to being a true fullrange. Their high end is simply outstanding, extending flat out to 18kHz and then gradually rolling off. Their bass is quite solid as well, although it varies depending on the model. They are flat (within 3dB) down to 40Hz for most of the 12cm models, and down to 30-35Hz for most of the 16cm models. The models that perform best with the deep bass, going down to around 25Hz, are extremely expensive even by Exact standards.
And all the Exact drivers are expensive compared with other fullranges. The "standard models" cost about what you would normally pay for some of the better Lowther/AER drivers, and the most high-end models cost more than anything available from AER. My personal feeling is that it makes sense to get some of the less expensive drivers and pair them with a subwoofer if one requires faithful reproduction of the lowest bass. Not only is the total cost cheaper, the drivers will have better power handling if used with a subwoofer. Having said that, the lowest string on an upright bass is about 40Hz, and for most of my listening I would not need a subwoofer with any of the Exact drivers.
Between the two extremes of high and low, the Exact drivers are extremely flat, without any peaks. This is because they are used with a special servo circuit, called the EL control, that is installed between the power amplifier and the drivers. Without this circuit, these drivers would have a gradually rising response curve (somewhat) similar to Lowthers. Some people prefer the sound without this circuitry, and others like to switch back and forth depending on the music. Having listened to various models both with and without the circuitry, my personal conclusion is that the 16cm drivers with large diameter voice coils sound best without the EL control, and all the other drivers sound best with the EL control. But it is highly subjective; some other listeners shared my feelings exactly and others did not.
This brings up another point, the sound of the drivers can be shaped by many variables. They can be used with or without acoustic lenses, and the lenses can be flipped upside down for a different dispersion effect. (I usually prefer them without acoustic lenses.) The EL control has several possible settings, and there is the option of eliminating that as well. Even the enclosure port is adjustable like the zoom lens of a camera. (The port can be purchased by someone who makes his own enclosure.)
Most of the drivers are used in ported cabinets of around 40 liters volume. The 12cm drivers can also be used in a 15 liter cabinet with very good results.
I should emphasize that the drivers are actually much different from Lowther type drivers in some important respects. The range of cone movement is much greater with these drivers than with Lowthers, by a factor of 10. Lowthers are best for horn loading, and these are best for ported enclosures.
The first pair to an overseas buyer went to a gentleman in Hong Kong, just the other day, and he has not yet begun to use them. A gentleman in Singapore already has a pair on order, and a gentleman from Sweden shall soon be placing an order. The Swedish gentleman has visited Japan several times to meet with Mr. Sano. Anyone contemplating becoming the next overseas purchaser will need not only deep pockets (depending on the model), but also a great deal of patience, as the absolute shortest time to completion is about 60 days, and waits twice that long are not uncommon. Part of this is because Mr. Sano customizes each driver according to the needs of each user, and partly it is because he is a totally uncompromising perfectionist, and part of it is because he does almost everything himself, and he only has two hands.
Another bottleneck is me, since I translate messages back and forth between Mr. Sano and overseas purchasers, and I sometimes get extremely busy at my work. (I work in the head office of one of Japan's largest securities companies.)
I expect I'll get my drivers in another three months. As one who knows their sound well, I can say with confidence it will have been worth the wait.
Christopher Witmer
Tokyo
Hi Chris,
Interesting story. Do you know anything more about this servo circuitry? Is it an active circuit (does it need external power), or is it passive?
I understand it goes between the power amp and the speaker, brings back memories of that Bose equalizer, 1801 or something.
Jan Didden
Interesting story. Do you know anything more about this servo circuitry? Is it an active circuit (does it need external power), or is it passive?
I understand it goes between the power amp and the speaker, brings back memories of that Bose equalizer, 1801 or something.
Jan Didden
Dear Jan,
It is a passive circuit controlling a pair of concentric voice coils (the voice coil is wound using a pair of wires, thus creating a concentric dual voice coil).
I shall try to upload a simple circuit diagram. If you can see it, you know I was successful.
Christopher Witmer
Tokyo
It is a passive circuit controlling a pair of concentric voice coils (the voice coil is wound using a pair of wires, thus creating a concentric dual voice coil).
I shall try to upload a simple circuit diagram. If you can see it, you know I was successful.
Christopher Witmer
Tokyo
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Dear Christopher Witmer,
Thank you so much for your kind and profound introduction to the Exact speakers. I got very inspired by your description.
It was not possible to acces through the link regarding the special circuit that can be used with these speakers.
I understand that a pair of 12cm units would amount to app. the price of that of "a better" pair of Lowthers.
Are there more photos available than those two that you posted in the beginning of this thread?
Kindest regards,
Thomas Groendahl
Copenhagen
Thank you so much for your kind and profound introduction to the Exact speakers. I got very inspired by your description.
It was not possible to acces through the link regarding the special circuit that can be used with these speakers.
I understand that a pair of 12cm units would amount to app. the price of that of "a better" pair of Lowthers.
Are there more photos available than those two that you posted in the beginning of this thread?
Kindest regards,
Thomas Groendahl
Copenhagen
cdwitmer said:Dear Jan,
It is a passive circuit controlling a pair of concentric voice coils (the voice coil is wound using a pair of wires, thus creating a concentric dual voice coil).
I shall try to upload a simple circuit diagram. If you can see it, you know I was successful.
Christopher Witmer
Tokyo
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Chris,
Unfortunately I have no access to this site, so I can't see it. This is very interesting, dual voice coils as such are not new, but until now I have seen it mostl in woofers, to extend the freq response downwards.
One of the problems was always that the 2nd voice coil takes space away from the primary coil, which resulted in less primary magnetic field in the main coil and all the disadvantage that brings.
Is there another way to view the servo circuit, maybe you can post it as a .pdf?
Jan Didden
It's interesting that the pattern of lines "embossed" on the
cone looks like the Lowther DX4's I had.
cone looks like the Lowther DX4's I had.
Nelson Pass said:It's interesting that the pattern of lines "embossed" on the
cone looks like the Lowther DX4's I had.
yup, ribbed for your pleasure..
The dual voice coil isn't the only thing about the Exact drivers thats interesting - their better driver's have magnets with the highest gauss of ANY driver.

I think that Exact (Japan) and Coral (Taiwan) were "interpretations" of the Lowther designs as Fostex and AER were later (..and now FS).
speaking of FS, have you looked into the FS 2B driver (a bit pricey but possibly worth it)?
http://www.fullrange-speakers.com/5version/eng/aertr-e.htm
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