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26th April 2013, 11:43 AM  #1 
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Calculation formulas for ccore/double ccore transformer
Hello guys,
Please help me with the formula calculations for a ccore and double ccore transformer. I have searched the forum and couldn't find any calculations for it, so if anybody has calculation formulas, please poste them here because i think there would be allot of coleagues from this forum that would be interested. I have the ccore sheets in the photo and i'm wondering what power cand i get from it. Cand i get +25volts at 12 amps in the secondary winding from it (600W)? The Ual is 220V/50Hz. What has more advantages, in therms of riple and efficiency, a ccore like this or a double ccore like the one used by Jean Hiraga (in "Le classe A amp") or Audionote in their valve amps? I want to make a class A amp and was wondering about if i should buy another ccore transformer to couple it with this one or wind only this transformer. Thans. Ps: this transformer has been taken from a rusty old philips tv and painted with lacquer. 
26th April 2013, 02:20 PM  #2 
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The transformer's formula's do not depend on the core shape, you can use the usual ones, ie 4.4*B*F*Ae for the volt/turn and compute the power from the copper window, the current density you allow and your winding skills.
You will certainly not get 600W from this core in 50Hz: even assuming high quality iron, you will get something like 200~250mV/turn
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26th April 2013, 02:41 PM  #3  
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I didn't know that i can use the same formulas. What intriguates me is the calculations for the total surface area. Can you give me that formula, please? What is the formula for the total surface of the core for the ccore? Thank you very much. Ps: i want to make this trafo to compare the JLH@30W (dual rail supply), the "Le classe A amp" and "The little cheap Circlophone", and then make a final decision and build it in stereo (of course, with two of these trafos). 

26th April 2013, 03:07 PM  #4 
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total area of the ccore
At last, i have found the total area surface formula in a book from a internet database:
End=height*lenght (square cm) Top= lenght*width (square cm) Side= hight*widht (square cm) Surface area: 2*End+2*Top+2*Side (square cm) Long lives g***le books. 
26th April 2013, 03:19 PM  #5 
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The effective iron area has to be computed from the crosssection of one leg, in your case 2.5*4=10cm˛, but that is the raw section, you have to apply a filling ratio, 0.9 or 0.95 for example.
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26th April 2013, 03:32 PM  #6  
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is this the correct formula?
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Transformer and Inductor Design Handbook  Colonel Wm. T. McLyman, Colonel William T. McLyman  Google C?r?i 

26th April 2013, 03:35 PM  #7 
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2.5cm by 4cm ~1.55sq"
that allows ~31*1.55˛ = 74VA if 1T is the core flux. If the steel will allow you could run at 1.8T giving a maximum of 134VA If it's cheap steel, then it could well be <70VA.
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