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Old 23rd January 2013, 02:45 PM   #1
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The attached circuit I found in a forum and it is working satisfactorily with Mains AC 100 to 150 Volt & 175 to 230Volts. But I noticed a problem that from the voltage range 151V to 175VAC this circuit stops working. Why? I do not know... Can someone explain me what happens among this voltage span


I am using variable transformer at mains AC input to observe its working voltage range
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Old 24th January 2013, 09:01 PM   #2
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could be that 7812 VDD regulator falls out of regulation ...
check VCC / VDD supply and compare to undervoltage lockout spec
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Old 24th January 2013, 11:40 PM   #3
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Hi,

I'd guess it essentially has two modes of operation being relatively high power.

One for around 115 VAC and the other for around 230VAC would make a
lot of sense. Somewhere inbetween, far too high for 115 VAC and far too
low for 230VAC it doesn't try, both modes won't work makes a lot of sense.

I can't tell how it does that or surmise the difference between the modes.
(Though it clearly would be a switch from bridged to parallel somewhere.)

rgds, sreten.

It might be typical of SMPS's, that claim 100VAC to 275VAC compatibility,
two modes, knowing the overlap range is basically not a real practical issue.
That makes a lot more sense than a single mode for 100VAC to 275VAC.
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Old 24th January 2013, 11:56 PM   #4
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It clearly says 220VAC on the diagram.
Are you sure it is supposed to work with other voltages ?
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Old 25th January 2013, 12:14 AM   #5
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Hi,

If it has two modes the switch has to be near the input where it matters.

rgds, sreten.
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Old 25th January 2013, 01:30 AM   #6
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In my opinion a typical switch mode power supply works over a wide range of voltage, error amplifier controls the pulse width to maintain the voltage at output, and I also mentioned in the post that this circuit works but only a voltage range 151vac to 174vac inhibits it to stop working.
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Old 25th January 2013, 01:33 AM   #7
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What does the spec say on the label.
They will often have on 85-240VAC input if they work with full supply range.

If it doesn't have this then its likely just 240VAC or 110VAC in which case who knows how it will behave at in between voltages.
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Old 25th January 2013, 01:51 AM   #8
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What does the spec say on the label.
They will often have on 85-240VAC input if they work with full supply range.

If it doesn't have this then its likely just 240VAC or 110VAC in which case who knows how it will behave at in between voltages.
I agree with you. But I need solution because only it stop working among a short range of voltage
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Old 25th January 2013, 01:58 AM   #9
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I am not convinced it is a wide range mains input SMPS.

1/ It clearly says 220VAC on the circuit diagram.

2/ The 12 volt regulator needs at least 18 volts to function. So if it is 18 volts at 110VAC then at 240VAC it will be 39 volts which is out of spec for the regulator.

3/ The circuit has voltages marked on it that can only occur with 240VAC.
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Old 25th January 2013, 02:02 AM   #10
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In my opinion a typical switch mode power supply works over a wide range
of voltage, error amplifier controls the pulse width to maintain the voltage
at output, and I also mentioned in the post that this circuit works but only
a voltage range 151vac to 174vac inhibits it to stop working.
Hi,

The only sensible reason that would happen is if it has two modes.

Its not a problem if its normal operation.

rgds, sreten.
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