SMPS must be rated twice the class D power

eem2am · 28th August 2012, 06:03 PM

Hello,

If you are building an SMPS to power a class D amplifier, then you need the SMPS to be rated to twice the maximum average power of the D amplifier......do you agree?

sorry I posted this in Class D forum but realise it would have been better here....sorry....

Class D amp needs big power supply?

dfuhr7gm · 21st November 2012, 11:42 AM

as i know, Class D amps have more than 95% efficiency ... so for a 100W Amp you'll need a 105W SMPS ... take a 120W smps and you're on the safe side

Ouroboros · 21st November 2012, 11:55 AM

Most people get away with an SMPSU that only provides about 50% of the class-D output nominal power, provided that it can provide the full short-term peak power, or has a suitably-sized reservoir cap bank. It is very rare to drive any amplifier to have an average power output of more than 33% of the nominal power rating with any normal programme material.
The class-D amps I design for voice-alarm systems have to meet EN54 part 16, where the amplifier has to be able to drive all channels simultaneously to the full rated load for at least 1 minute with a 1kHz sine-wave at +45 degrees C ambient, so that is a different matter!

marce · 21st November 2012, 12:01 PM

You are better running an SMPS near its capacity, or at least so it does not go into burst mode, otherwise you get allsorts of noise, often into the audio frequecny range.

Ouroboros · 21st November 2012, 12:32 PM

Any properly designed SMPSU will not go into burst mode at any mormal load. It might if there is no load at all. It will drop from continuous mode into discontinuous mode of course but the PWM should work down to quite small duty cycles.

The XP-Power HCP1000 (1kW) SMPSUs I am using are quite happy down to a load of less than 50W for example.

marce · 21st November 2012, 01:34 PM

Sorry ment discontinous mode, just recently seen design where when the SMPS went into discontinous mode there was low frequecny noise generated, that was audible. A biger cap on the output did solve the problem but it is somthing o be aware of.

28th August 2012, 06:03 PM	#1
eem2am Banned Join Date: Jun 2011	SMPS must be rated twice the class D power Hello, If you are building an SMPS to power a class D amplifier, then you need the SMPS to be rated to twice the maximum average power of the D amplifier......do you agree? sorry I posted this in Class D forum but realise it would have been better here....sorry.... Class D amp needs big power supply?

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21st November 2012, 11:42 AM	#2
dfuhr7gm diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2012	as i know, Class D amps have more than 95% efficiency ... so for a 100W Amp you'll need a 105W SMPS ... take a 120W smps and you're on the safe side

21st November 2012, 11:55 AM	#3
Ouroboros diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Nottingham UK	Most people get away with an SMPSU that only provides about 50% of the class-D output nominal power, provided that it can provide the full short-term peak power, or has a suitably-sized reservoir cap bank. It is very rare to drive any amplifier to have an average power output of more than 33% of the nominal power rating with any normal programme material. The class-D amps I design for voice-alarm systems have to meet EN54 part 16, where the amplifier has to be able to drive all channels simultaneously to the full rated load for at least 1 minute with a 1kHz sine-wave at +45 degrees C ambient, so that is a different matter!

21st November 2012, 12:01 PM	#4
marce diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Blackburn, Lancs	You are better running an SMPS near its capacity, or at least so it does not go into burst mode, otherwise you get allsorts of noise, often into the audio frequecny range.

21st November 2012, 12:32 PM	#5
Ouroboros diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Nottingham UK	Any properly designed SMPSU will not go into burst mode at any mormal load. It might if there is no load at all. It will drop from continuous mode into discontinuous mode of course but the PWM should work down to quite small duty cycles. The XP-Power HCP1000 (1kW) SMPSUs I am using are quite happy down to a load of less than 50W for example.

21st November 2012, 01:34 PM	#6
marce diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Blackburn, Lancs	Sorry ment discontinous mode, just recently seen design where when the SMPS went into discontinous mode there was low frequecny noise generated, that was audible. A biger cap on the output did solve the problem but it is somthing o be aware of.