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Old 7th November 2011, 12:40 PM   #1
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Default 6.3vdc form 6.3v ac PSU

Dear all, looking for a bit of helps here.
i have tried 2 different versions of a heater supply from the 'valve amplifiers' book but cannot get the output to go above 5.4V.
The supply uses a single phase rectifier rated at 4A 50v, a 10,000uf cap into a 1085 low drop regultater through a variable resitor (4.7k) and a 270ohm resistor adjust to output then thorugh another 10,000 uf cap.
this only supplies two preamp valves which together only draw 0.6 amps, the transformer i am using has a 6.3v ac tap rated at 3 amps.
ive built two versions now, both in the book, withoiut the valves attached i can adjust the output from about 7 .5 vots down to 6.3v but when i have connected the valves i cant get it above 5.4 v. what's going wrong - i cant have built two duff PSU's or could I ?
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Old 7th November 2011, 12:57 PM   #2
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With a load attached you will get extra voltage drop in the transformer secondary and rectifiers. As the current here will be charging pulses the voltage drop will be much greater than you may expect - a factor of 5 would not be surprising. I would ditch the regulator as you don't have enough headroom for that. Just use an 'adjust on test' power resistor between the two caps to drop the voltage to the required level on load. Alternatively, unless it is an MC input, just use correctly-wired AC heaters.
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Old 7th November 2011, 01:03 PM   #3
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To get enough voltage you have to use Shottky diodes with low forwardvoltage drop.

There´s also 1085s with maximum output voltage limitation if you got one of those it will never regulate much over 5v with load.

I salvaged some 1084´s from a computermainboard and it took a few rewirings untill i found out about the regs
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Old 7th November 2011, 01:21 PM   #4
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You have to get more out of the first stage to clear the over head of the regulator -- consider using a voltage doubler circuit with about 22,000uF you should get average DC of about 7.8V which you can regulate down to 6.3V
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Old 7th November 2011, 01:32 PM   #5
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Shottky bridge and 1084 works fine.

6.3x1.44-1.2=7.8

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Old 7th November 2011, 02:30 PM   #6
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It will be difficult, even with schottky's. A synchronous rectifier perhaps?
6.3 filament from 5vac winding
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Old 7th November 2011, 02:53 PM   #7
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Taking in account that he wants 0.6A out of a 3A heater winding things should work.

There´s some good schottkys not to pricey available.

@Elvee thats a nice solution have to look more at it.

If possible to get away with a 1085 partscount is a bit lower

Just read first post again and you don´t want a big 10000uF cap after the reg a 100Uf is fine.
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Old 7th November 2011, 04:18 PM   #8
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Taking in account that he wants 0.6A out of a 3A heater winding things should work.
Problem with single phase rectification, it puts a huge stress on the transformer.
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Old 7th November 2011, 04:43 PM   #9
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Problem with single phase rectification, it puts a huge stress on the transformer.
Sorry but now i´m totally confused instead of singlephase what are you suggesting ?
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Old 7th November 2011, 04:45 PM   #10
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bridge rectifier and accept the double diode Vdrop.
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