diy bybee quantum purifiers?

[SY]

Originally Posted by john curl

Claims are like puffery in any sales. So what?

You're certainly free to have no standards and feel that dishonest claims are OK. And you're certainly free to allow a scammer to try to sully your hard-earned reputation in exchange for a few nice meals and getting to ride around in a fancy car. You may forgive him for that, but I can't. He's using someone who is honest to take the bullets for his scam, and that's (IMO) reprehensible.

[john curl]

Oh, I have standards, MY EARS, that is first and foremost. I proved these devices, with my ears, over 15 years ago, BEFORE I even met Jack Bybee. The rest is very rare, and I give Jack as much as I get. He and I share love of audio. Sometimes, good food, very little else. When I made an honest living with Parasound, several years ago, I was expected to pay for 1/2 of the lunches that we had together, even Chez Panisse.

[jlsem]

Originally Posted by ThorstenL

Hi,



To be precise (my fault for not being):

The House Committee on Un-American Activities

House Un-American Activities Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Especially the 50's where bad. Though I guess they where worse on my side of the iron Curtain.

They kind of had a bee or two or a whole hive in their bonnets about the red and pink threat to american society.

Ciao T

PS, the Rosenbergs where purportedly spies for soviet russia that gave the commies the Bomb:

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For more fun-facts of the past to look up listen to Billy Joel "We Didn't Start The Fire" and look up each line. Quite fun.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but these investigations, as well as McCarthy's Senate Oversight Committee hearings were legitimate, and resulted in lawful convictions based on excellent evidence. With Bybee devices, there is no real evidence whatsoever. There could be some similarity to the McCarthy hearings in the sense that McCarthy had a list of Russian agents who worked for the State Department as well as Monmouth Laboratories, but the real evidence was confidential and he had no access to it. So SY is in a like position where if he knew the "secrets" of the Bybee devices he could easily debunk their effect on an audio signal.

John

[ThorstenL]

Hi,

Originally Posted by wakibaki

You miss the point of what is going on here entirely.

Are you quite sure?

Actually, this thread was started by the OP asking for help on making his own, "parts cost and personal labour" only version of the Bybee devices.

For all we know they may be a fancily wrapped piece of wire or the RFI Suppressors I remember seeing or something else entirely.

THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.

The commercial side is actually irrelevant.

Originally Posted by wakibaki

I am sure that you try to take an even-handed approach with the best of intentions, but in fact you contribute very little by your protracted fence-squatting,

Actually, I am not sitting on the fence (that is actually quite painful), I am sitting between the two proverbial chairs. On the floor. Looking a lot like certain well fed idol. The benefit of the "on solid ground" syitting becomes obvious at the next earthquake...

Originally Posted by wakibaki

Recall the words of the Irish philosopher Edmund Burke:

'There is, however, a limit at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue.'

I do know this quote and the fact that I still give voice here should be taken as an illustration that I have given up forbearance quite substantially.

Remember, each sword has two edges... They both cut.

Originally Posted by wakibaki

This is not a courtroom, more a marketplace of ideas, and an over-legalistic approach is doomed to fail where parties fail to follow your rules of evidence.

I kind of go with Ghandi on this. It is not my job to win the argument or even to make any of the protagonists agree, it is my job to highlight the injustice.

Originally Posted by wakibaki

It is naiive to imagine that all participants are well-motivated.

Few people would call me naive. I am someone who wants to believe in human goodness and is genuinely delighted when people show their best, but I have long come to a point when I am not surprised to see their worst, just as in this thread.

Originally Posted by wakibaki

We are not involved in a witch-hunt here, we are debunking a fraud,

So, you are so far off topic, at leat as far as the OP's posts is concerend it's not funny. Maybe the thread should be split into the:

"Lets make a DIY Copy of the Bybee Purifier which according to the orthodox shepherds of this congregation does absolutely nothing" Thread (eg. the constructive one for constructive people)

and the:

"Lets have some more Bybee bashing and whitchhunting" thread where all those who wish to debunk a fraud may vent their righteous anger and indignation?

I promise to post only to the first thread.

I have no real interest to reform anyone (not that anyone actually CAN reform someone else, at best they may rectify themselves), but I have a passing interrest in knowledge and truth.

Currently the most vocal posters in this thread seem to wish to deny either.

Originally Posted by wakibaki

You evidently do not know what to do with a ballot paper, hence you choose to spoil it.

Funny. Actually, I am probably one of the few here who DO KNOW what to do with a ballot paper. Especially one where you presented with a "United Front" list that disallows choice, differing opinions, opposition and where the vote is fully rigged anyway. You can be DAMN SURE I know exactly what to do with such a Ballot.

Originally Posted by wakibaki

Given that you do not have the courage or evidently the education to take a position as a professional engineer and defend it, your attack on SY, whose motivations, as far as I can judge on the basis of the posts of his that I have seen, are beyond reproach, and who is prepared to take a position, is a mere insult.

So, Sy is okay calling anything he disagrees with "scam" and this is considered the mark of an engineer? Pulleeese. I do not BTW attack Sy personally, I do attack his public position taken in this thread, namely of extreme un-constructiveness without any direct experience.

Going back to the OP, some-one wants to know how the Bybee Quantum Purifiers work and how to make his own.

If we for a moment put aside all the ** and all the geifering and wingflapping going on here, we actually had another poster kind of confirming my take.

He wrote "ferrite and...other stuff". And he was clearly not a Bybee supporter.

I personally note the devices inside these purifiers appear to be a variant of "ferrite" (making it of course no longer ferrite, except in common parlance for magnetic ceramics) that likely omits Iron.

So we arrive at a sensible recommendation for someone trying to see the DIY way if there is anything, namely look for commercial ceramic RFI Suppressors that do not contain iron (eg. not ferrite).

Now such a recommendation could have come from Sy. Had he been less bent on banging on about frauds and scammers and nigerians but a little more interested in what is really happening.

Can such devices in speaker leads or mains cables etc. make appreciable differences that can be measured and or heard? Well, that is another story.

However if Bybee Purifiers are basically "disguised" RFI suppressors they certainly CAN have an effect in certain conditions.

Again, note that non of this has anything to do with the actual eXistenCe of Mr Bybee or not, if he forged his credentials or not, if his explanation of the workings of his devices (if he is real) is accurate, can be sustained by current or future scientific theory, if his devices represent fair value for money, if he (if he is real and not just a figment of his accountants immagination) is an honest person or a scammer worse than nigerians 911's and so on.

All of that is in the sphere of social interactions which have zero bearing on the OP's quest. It has however all to do with dealing the material (as in made from actual matter and not from methaphorical hot air) subject at the core of this whole thread.

One might say that the actual original subject of this thread and the majority of the "debunking" discussion occupy seperate and non-overlapping magisteria.

Ciao T

[wakibaki]

Originally Posted by ThorstenL

So, Sy is okay calling anything he disagrees with "scam" and this is considered the mark of an engineer?

Just where your evidence for this is I am at a loss to discover.

SY calls anything he disagrees with a "scam".

The poverty of your argument drives you to extremes of exaggeration beyond credibility. You are destroying your own case. Post some more.

w

[john curl]

Jack called me from Lake Tahoe. Unfortunately, I was taking to Teresa (reviewer for 'Positive Feedback') and I could not take his call. Maybe later. ;-)

[Cal Weldon]

Enough gentlemen. Your pokes at each other are worse than anything else in this thread. Let's call it a day on the sniping. One more gets you time in the box.

[john curl]

Hi Cal, do I still have to be on moderation? I have been good, haven't I?

[Cal Weldon]

John

You've got a PM.

[Cal Weldon]

John, you have another PM.