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I have a Nikkai 12V to 230V 300W modified sinewave inverter. If possible, I want to modify it to output a purer sinewave (i'm not expecting perfect) similar to what the really expensive pure sinewave inverters produce.
After spending ages searching Google about how to modify an inverter like mine to smooth the output, I found this page: http://bobmay.astronomy.net/misc/drivcorr.htm I've seen schematics for wien bridge oscillators that produce pure sinewaves with very low distortion and also sinewave generators using 555 timers. If it's possible, i'd probably use a wien bridge oscillator design as that produces a much smoother wave compared to a 555 and connect the output to the appropriate place on the inverters PCB. I also remember reading in a forum somewhere about whether adding a mains filter circuit (like on this page: http://www.conformity.com/artman/pub...nter_200.shtml) would improve the output. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Simon |
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Warsaw
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It is not possible.
Most probably your inverter is a switched-mode design and uses high frequency conversion DC7DC and bi- or tri- state output stage for AC. Keep in mind, that the technique descibed in the link assumes using standard 50/60Hz transformer, so the whole design is very bulky and inefficient. In contrast, expesive inverters use pulse-width-modulation output stage, similar to class-D audio amplifiers. |
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You would have to either use a huge filter or to redo the output stage of the inverter completely, and that's not easy because the new output stage has to be class D.
If you don't want to learn class D, consider buying a sinewave inverter...
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Just add some inductors in series. Close enough.
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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That does not result in filtering of those "modified sine" inverters. They all have a common flaw in that they go high-impedance in the dead time between the pulses of opposite polarity. If you have inductance in the load, it stores energy during one pulse, and simply releases it back to the battery during the dead time until its field collapses - sticking to the rail! Under light inductive load the waveform ends up being even "squarer" than what you started with, not more sinusoidal. |
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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If you think in the frequency domain, the inductor will be a higher impedance with higher frequencies. It will (in theory) block the most troublesome high harmonics the most and the desired fundamental the least. If it makes the wave "squarer", it would imply that it would increase the harmonics, which makes no sense. If you need it to be closer to a sine wave, there's always the option of using Delta Sigma modulators just like in TI hybrid audio amplifiers. Have two (or three for 3 phase) modulators running from a common clock (a few kHz for motor control, above 20kHz for audio), with the two receiving sine waves of the same frequency but with one 180 degrees out of phase (or 3 with 120 degrees and 240 degrees for 3 phase).
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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I'm pretty sure the modern ones with H-bridges do not go high impedance but shorts the output together during dead time, highly inductive loads like fluorescent lights wouldn't work correctly otherwise.
The simple primitive ones using a mains frequency transformer and push-pull primary do go high impedance of course. |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Florida
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You folks mention class D, since this inverter in the topic is PWM. Now most Class D PWM amps use an output inductor and some capacitors to filter anything above the audio range, to make sinewaves for your speakers.
With a similar concept to class D, but for the AC inverter, what about using those High Frequency EMF filter input inductors used on the AC side of common SMPS like TV's and computer power supplies? They are meant to pass 60Hz, while filtering out the HF interference, produced by the SMPS. Using good large AC filter capacitors, and 1 or 2 good AC filter inductors, I would hope the AC wave was at least close to a sinewave, and most likely good enough to run most equipment.
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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The ones I've seen up to about 1000W just use a switch mode DC-DC converter to make a high DC voltage from 12V. Then they do the same waveform with a H-bridge that the old 60-Hz trafo-based Tripp-Lite units of yesteryear do. I've looked into shorting the output during the dead time, and it REALLY complicates the circuitry. You just can't make a cheap inverter that cheap with those extra switching components. |
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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You shouldn't need any extra power components, just use this switching sequence for the bridge. Plus means upper transistor on, minus means lower transistor on. One transistor in each leg is always conducting, save for a short deadtime which will be needed.
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Left leg |: - - - + :| Right leg |: - + - - :| Code:
Left leg |: - - + + :| Right leg |: - + + - :| |
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