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Old 2nd May 2012, 05:40 PM   #5001
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Hello guys,

I've seen that some of you have been using 2N5432 FETs in some of the reincarnations of Salas' design.
Does anybody have a source for these?
I'm building a Burst Generator board for my Audio Precision System One and need about 10 of these critters.

thanks,

jan didden
2N5457 in V1.2R is shown. 2N5432 is 0.15A min IDSS, can't remember designating such a (TO-18?) part myself. Its seldom and pricey on ebay too.
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Old 2nd May 2012, 05:52 PM   #5002
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Those guys look more flexible maybe. ComponentsMAX
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Old 2nd May 2012, 08:41 PM   #5003
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Nice shot, Thunderbirds grade. Did it all come across nice to ears too?
i'm perfectly satisfied with it
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Old 3rd May 2012, 04:48 AM   #5004
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Another question: what is recommended capacitance in the filter before Salas Reg ? I thought to go with muscular 10.000 uF but I am not sure whether that is a good approach ...
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Old 3rd May 2012, 10:25 AM   #5005
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10uF seems far too low for smoothing capacitance.

2200uF would be nearer the smoothing requirement.
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Old 3rd May 2012, 10:45 AM   #5006
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10mF I guess he meant. 4700uF is a good mid value.
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Old 3rd May 2012, 11:48 AM   #5007
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I will use 5kr for Vref // 10uF MKT on my p2p BiB clone, with three leds on the CCS.

Planning to use a 18VAC TX 50VA to get 14VDC out from the shunt.

Now I would apreciate your comments on the components connections so my build goes swiftly.

Does anyone detect any errors ?
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Old 3rd May 2012, 11:55 AM   #5008
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The sense circuit is a measuring bridge.
The -sense (GND) on you drawing feeds a bridge node on the S PIN of the jFET. Is that the correct place for the bridge node?
The +sense feeds a string of 4 components. Where is the bridge node?

BTW, I recommend changing the GND labels to - (or -ve, or NEG)
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Old 3rd May 2012, 12:21 PM   #5009
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Thank you for your input Andrew.

Please forgive my lack of knowledge... What do you mean by bridge node ?

I compared this layout carefully with the BiB schematic and do not detect any errors... Would you please elaborate ?

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Old 3rd May 2012, 04:25 PM   #5010
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Are you familiar with a Wheatstone Bridge?
Look at an example. It is usually arranged as a diamond layout.
The top node and the bottom node are where the voltage is applied.
The side nodes are where the "error" is measured.

The the ratio of resistances on each of the two sides are compared. If the ratios are identical then the "error" voltage is also zero. A small change in the resistance of any one of the four legs/sides of that diamond will change the ratio on that side. Then you can measure the "error".

Using the schematic you have posted. I can see that for output X102-4 is connected to the bottom voltage. One could either choose the Source PIN of Q103, or the Emitter PIN of Q104, or the unlabeled junction between these two PINs. The Gate of Q103 must connect to it's Source PIN or to the measuring node. It must not connect to the other side of the voltage node, i.e. not to the Emitter PIN.

But when you come to look at X102-3 there seem to be 6 locations for the voltage node.
One must consider where the AC and DC currents flow and pick the node that best inserts the voltage so that the ratios are correctly measured.

Similarly when one comes to consider the side to side measuring Nodes, one must find the nodes that properly reflect where the error is correctly measured for both AC and DC outputs.

This is not a "pin the tail on the donkey" exercise.
This is precisely where the original DCB1 went wrong and some of the later incarnations were also wrong.

It took many posts, pointing out the mistaken layout, before the Members realised what they were doing wrong.
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