diyAudio

diyAudio (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/)
-   Power Supplies (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/)
-   -   Need help with voltage doubler (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/power-supplies/142502-need-help-voltage-doubler.html)

Lingwendil 18th April 2009 05:52 AM

Need help with voltage doubler
 
Alright, I'm working on a class A SE mosfet amplifier. The psu transformer i have is center tapped, and capable of 8 amps at 24v ac. The amplifier is going to use a dual supply, with each channel drawing around 1.75A each constant. What would be a suitable configuration to boost my rails? I'm shooting for about 20~30v per rail. Could I use a conventional doubler with just the center point of my caps as ground? For smoothing I was going to use a capacitance multiplier if that makes a difference.

wine&dine 19th April 2009 12:23 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Do you mean this circuit?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...verdoppler.PNG

That would be the easiest option in your case, it gives ~33V peak.

You need plenty of capacity for filtering however, since in effect you have two half-wave rectifiers. See attached screenshot - with 47000uF (47mF), the ripple is about 2V p-p.

Your capacitance multiplier can regulate that down to ~30V nicely.

Lingwendil 19th April 2009 06:23 PM

Alright! Thank you for the reply. So That's what I think I'll do then. Since my transformer is center tapped, do I just leave that tap alone?

wine&dine 19th April 2009 09:05 PM

Yes, no use for the center tap.

AndrewT 20th April 2009 09:32 AM

Re: Need help with voltage doubler
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Lingwendil
... a class A SE mosfet amplifier............... The amplifier is going to use a dual supply, with each channel drawing around 1.75A each constant...................... Could I use a conventional doubler with just the center point of my caps as ground?
your SE mosfet amplifier is very unlikely to draw constant current from it's dual polarity supply rails. Almost all topologies of ClassA modulate the current in the supply rails to follow the output current.

High currents do not suit voltage doublers. A voltage doubler is ideally suited to the tiny currents required to power the voltage amplifier stage of a power amp or for pre-amps, not the high current demands of power amps. The ripple on the supply after the doubler will be as bad as a half wave rectified PSU and the voltage droop as load current increases will be worse than a half wave rectified supply.

wine&dine 21st April 2009 11:02 AM

Re: Re: Need help with voltage doubler
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AndrewT
High currents do not suit voltage doublers. A voltage doubler is ideally suited to [...] tiny currents
Since his Class-A amp will draw <2A, we are not talking about *high* currents here. The dual half-wave "doubler" is definitely not only for "tiny" currents - you have one of these in the input of every PC power supply that has a 115/230V switch, whether it handles 250 or 600 Watts (5.2A @ 115V!)

Of course, switchers work much better with the high ripple than linears. No question, two transformers would be better, but with enough capacity and a regulator, a half wave rectifier can also do the job. You just need to calculate the effects and decide whether the result is acceptable.

Lingwendil 22nd April 2009 12:15 AM

Well, since I have the parts on hand I figure I may as well give it a try. This is for a junk-box/ found parts project anyway, so if it has small flaws I don't mind too much. I just would like to get a bigger swing from my amp, and figure'd it'd be worth a try.


The circuit is basically a beefed up oversized Szekeres buffer. No gain, no problem, as I have a nice tube preamp. As is, the psu is unregulated or filtered, just a pair of 33000uF across my rails. Hum is just barely audible. my rails sit at 14.65v each under load, with or without signal. As of this writing, idle current is 1.25A per channel via a LM317 CCS. Would using the doubler give me al least 24v rails under these conditions, all else remaining equal?


All times are GMT. The time now is 06:50 PM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2014 diyAudio


Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2