Simplistic MosFET HV Shunt Regs

iko

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Some people prefer to have a regulator with a flat output impedance line in the audio frequency range. Have a look at the mosfet shunt regulator that we're talking about here, and notice where the line starts curving up (higher impedance). There's a variation of the low voltage Salas shunt regulator which I worked on a while ago, extending the low output impedance to much higher frequencies, such that it is completely flat in the audio frequency. Whether this is something you would like or not is besides the point. Some people do and even claim to hear a difference. However, this modification results in lower stability (gain margin) unless one is careful about, among other things, the input capacitance of the drive and shunt transistors (mosfet in this case).
 
Some people prefer to have a regulator with a flat output impedance line in the audio frequency range. Have a look at the mosfet shunt regulator that we're talking about here, and notice where the line starts curving up (higher impedance). There's a variation of the low voltage Salas shunt regulator which I worked on a while ago, extending the low output impedance to much higher frequencies, such that it is completely flat in the audio frequency. Whether this is something you would like or not is besides the point. Some people do and even claim to hear a difference. However, this modification results in lower stability (gain margin) unless one is careful about, among other things, the input capacitance of the drive and shunt transistors (mosfet in this case).

1. What's the worst case Zo over the entire audio band (20Hz-20kHz) of the present Salas Shunt?
2. Tube based shunt regulator will have constant Zo over the audio band, however, will the Zo be lower than the worst case Salas Shunt?
3. Did anyone make a sonic comparison between lower un-constant Zo, versus higher but constant Zo? This question is the most important one when considering between tube and SS shunt regulator.
 
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1. What's the worst case Zo over the entire audio band (20Hz-20kHz) of the present Salas Shunt?

Here's a sim graph, @ 58mA CCS, 20mA load.
 

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I just have to mention the original shunt regulators were tubes! Of course gas discharge tubes which come in fixed voltages and are by today's standards noisy. But I have seen tube shunt filters used with some success.

I always find oscillation if trying to use a gas discharge tube directly :)
Loading a pentode gate should be fine though.. diagrams..

Mounting a tube socket + tube is much easier (hole punch + 2 M3 bolts) than a PCB and a heatsink (probably sitting at 400V) for me.

With the right gate drive I can't see why a power pentode like the GU50 should not make a perfect shunt :). It just needs to be told which voltage to shunt at...
 

iko

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We should mention BJTs also if lower capacitances than in Mosfets are to be the main goal.

Of course, bjts will bring their own advantages and disadvantages. As I said, some people will prefer a flat output impedance curve in the audio frequency, others will not be convinced. I don't even talk for myself, as I haven't gotten that far yet. But when it comes to technical stuff, we can choose. The guy asked for a shunt reg based on tubes, and it happens I have thought about it, but didn't go as far as to bother with a design. Just thinking out loud for now, that's all. :)
 
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You don't need the cascode for 60V. Its no better in this circuit, we just do it to go over 300Vo. You will also need to size down the R4s so to use some 1-2mA current from the jfet for your voltage bracket in mind. Also size R3 for ~5mA. You will not need protection Zeners for ~60V too.