Manger SWING - Page 2

el`Ol · 26th March 2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by Tenson
Looks good. So come on then, what are the disadvantages of this driver?

What is its power handling like?

A disadvantage is that most amps don`t deliver enough current for the 13µs rise time. A friend of mine tuned his power amps with large mica impulse capacitors in the power supply. Breathtaking performance.

phase_accurate · 27th March 2006, 09:00 AM

One has to watch out not to mix things up. The rise-time has nothing to do with current delivery (or better: current consumption). Current consumed is a function of impedance and driving voltage.
Rise-time is also affected by impedance (namely inductance) but other factors as well.
The Manger is almost resistive only, with a very low 16uH series inductance which is an easy load for almost any amplifier.

If you don't use an amp with high bandwith (Manger recommends > 150 kHz) you don't have any disadvantages from the fast rise-time of the MSW but you don't get all of its advantages. Simple as that.

As far as disadvantages go, there are two that I can name: Somewhat higher distortion than other drivers and two "holes" in FR at 800 Hz and 1600 Hz.
But even though there are some things that others do better I wouldn't change to anything else at the moment.

Regards

Charles

inertial · 31st March 2006, 06:38 AM

Hi again,

yetserday I've heard third audition with swing+subsonice.
Mmmmh, something of not perfect in the integration sub-sat.
But the 200Hz ---> up is "magic"!! Really amazing.

I have suggested to my friend to ask the little zerobox bookshelf
to the distributor, but at the moment they do not have " in-house".
I' m very curios to listen it...

Cheers,
Inertial

Jeroenkv · 31st March 2006, 02:32 PM

I would suggest at least two subwoofers!!

inertial · 31st March 2006, 02:53 PM

Hi, Yeroenkv.
Yes, you are right.
But from the moment that one swing plus two subsonice(manger also)
costs about 8800 euro, my friend want to try the little zerobox bookshelf ( 3400 euro).

Again I am skeptical about the very low ( 90 Hz) x-over freq suggested from Manger : my ears hear something of not correct. Just my opinion
of course.

Inertial

Jeroenkv · 31st March 2006, 03:31 PM

You can also do it the DIY way. Buy a pair of Mangers and Vifa woofers and use the filter & building plans from their site.

inertial · 31st March 2006, 04:02 PM

Oh, the speaker isn't for me, is for my friend!!
He is a bit "snob", and like "trade" , signature, etc.
But I have the opportunity to listen and comparate (to my DIY) the best loudspeakers he can test.
And this is very important, IMHO.

regards,
Inertial

max653 · 15th April 2006, 12:28 PM

Hi guys
Can be will recommend for me the driver for subsonice in a pair to MSW.
Wanted to purchase two scan_speac 25w_8565_00 but it seems model have removed from production. Can there are best variants?
The paper is desirable

Sorry for my English

inertial · 15th April 2006, 02:35 PM

Hi max653,

The original woofer of the subsonice is a VIFA 10" ( custom I believe).

regards,
Inertial

rick57 · 15th April 2006, 04:31 PM

Charles

> Rise-time is also affected by impedance (namely inductance) but other factors as well.

What are the main determinants of fast rise time, in order?

What amps (eg around 50 watts) would have a very fast rise time, the Aksa 55?

Thanks

15th April 2006, 04:31 PM	#20
rick57 diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: dry ol Melbourne Australia	fast rise time Charles > Rise-time is also affected by impedance (namely inductance) but other factors as well. What are the main determinants of fast rise time, in order? What amps (eg around 50 watts) would have a very fast rise time, the Aksa 55? Thanks

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27th March 2006, 09:00 AM	#12
phase_accurate diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland	One has to watch out not to mix things up. The rise-time has nothing to do with current delivery (or better: current consumption). Current consumed is a function of impedance and driving voltage. Rise-time is also affected by impedance (namely inductance) but other factors as well. The Manger is almost resistive only, with a very low 16uH series inductance which is an easy load for almost any amplifier. If you don't use an amp with high bandwith (Manger recommends > 150 kHz) you don't have any disadvantages from the fast rise-time of the MSW but you don't get all of its advantages. Simple as that. As far as disadvantages go, there are two that I can name: Somewhat higher distortion than other drivers and two "holes" in FR at 800 Hz and 1600 Hz. But even though there are some things that others do better I wouldn't change to anything else at the moment. Regards Charles

31st March 2006, 06:38 AM	#13
inertial diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Italy	Hi again, yetserday I've heard third audition with swing+subsonice. Mmmmh, something of not perfect in the integration sub-sat. But the 200Hz ---> up is "magic"!! Really amazing. I have suggested to my friend to ask the little zerobox bookshelf to the distributor, but at the moment they do not have " in-house". I' m very curios to listen it... Cheers, Inertial

31st March 2006, 02:32 PM	#14
Jeroenkv diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Uitgeest	I would suggest at least two subwoofers!!

31st March 2006, 02:53 PM	#15
inertial diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Italy	Hi, Yeroenkv. Yes, you are right. But from the moment that one swing plus two subsonice(manger also) costs about 8800 euro, my friend want to try the little zerobox bookshelf ( 3400 euro). Again I am skeptical about the very low ( 90 Hz) x-over freq suggested from Manger : my ears hear something of not correct. Just my opinion of course. Inertial

31st March 2006, 03:31 PM	#16
Jeroenkv diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Uitgeest	You can also do it the DIY way. Buy a pair of Mangers and Vifa woofers and use the filter & building plans from their site.

31st March 2006, 04:02 PM	#17
inertial diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Italy	Oh, the speaker isn't for me, is for my friend!! He is a bit "snob", and like "trade" , signature, etc. But I have the opportunity to listen and comparate (to my DIY) the best loudspeakers he can test. And this is very important, IMHO. regards, Inertial

15th April 2006, 12:28 PM	#18
max653 diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Novosibirsk	Hi guys Can be will recommend for me the driver for subsonice in a pair to MSW. Wanted to purchase two scan_speac 25w_8565_00 but it seems model have removed from production. Can there are best variants? The paper is desirable Sorry for my English

15th April 2006, 02:35 PM	#19
inertial diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Italy	Hi max653, The original woofer of the subsonice is a VIFA 10" ( custom I believe). regards, Inertial