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Old 10th February 2005, 09:36 PM   #11
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Default Final 0.3

Hi Petre,

If you want good midrange, cristal claen and smooth highs and better bass, than sell the final's and buy yourself a pair of good old Martin Logans and you'll be singing an twinkeling your eye's
The name says everything, it's final, you'll never gona get good sound out of it. Sorry if I step on a few toes.

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Old 10th February 2005, 10:37 PM   #12
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sell the final's and buy yourself a pair of good old Martin Logans
My friend (whose set we modified) was about to sell his too, he even placed an advertisement for them. However since the modifications (which transform them) he can't imagine life without them! His friends are envious and, without exception, others who have heard them recently have had nothing but high praise for them.

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Old 10th February 2005, 11:51 PM   #13
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Hi Tim,

I'm glad to hear this.
Nontheless, Don't compair them with good ML's you'll be sorry you didn't sell them!

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Old 13th February 2005, 08:16 AM   #14
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Hi i own a pair of final 0.3s, and i think they sound awesome!!!!!
and i am not the only one to think other than that, just read the reviews don't they count for anything any more, when i got mine from a high end uk dealer i listened to various high end mega buck amps and cd players, and they did sound different depending on what front end was being used but nothing like you have said in the forum, none of you have said what amps or cd players you use with them, you can have the best and most expensive speakers in the world!!! but if you feed then with the wrong kit the will sound ****, as for martin logans just look at how much more they cost!! with the finals you get good looks and awesome sound per pound, i would like to know what amp and cd player you are using with them my cd player is a wadia 860x and my power amp is a chord 1200e i did listen to martin logans with the wadia and the chord, but for me it had to be the finals between the two there was just not much difference in sound but more money in your pocket.
TIM i am glad you are now happy with your finals, There is no way i'm going to sell mine.

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Old 13th February 2005, 11:15 AM   #15
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Trev,

Thankyou for your contribution, which seems to add weight to the favourable reviews and therefore adds to my confusion with regard to these reviews and my own impressions of this ESL. You wrote “none of you have said what amps or cd players you use with them”. At this moment my friend’s final 0.3s (those that we modified) are being used with an “improved” NAD CD player, a musical fidelity preamp (A3cr) and a Quad 606. The latter was chosen as it is supposed to be stable into any load, thereby removing (hopefully) amplifier instability from the equation. However, regardless of how well the ancillary equipment sounds I don’t see it compensating for the severe - both subjective and measured - drop in output through the two-octave range below the cross-over frequency that was readily apparent on this particular pair. This mismatch needed to be corrected but now they sound terrific.

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Old 13th February 2005, 11:45 AM   #16
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My 0.3 are driven with Unison Unico SE amp and Unico CD.
I tried and my son"s Techics amp, and have the same midrange fatigue.
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Old 13th February 2005, 12:29 PM   #17
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Default Front end!

Hi guy's

Nice to read that you don't agree with me

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i would like to know what amp and cd player you are using with them my cd player is a wadia 860x and my power amp is a chord 1200e i did listen to martin logans with the wadia and the chord, but for me it had to be the finals between the two there was just not much difference in sound but more money in your pocket.
May I ask which Martin-Logan you where listening to?
I don't like all ML's the old one's are better than the new ones.

Let me tell you this, it don't metter what speakers or front end or cables you use, as long as you are happy with the sound!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thant's what matters, isn't it??????

I'm glad to hear that you guys are happy with the Final's, and i hope they will keep playing a long time. I really do.


All the best to you all and keep listening to your favourite music and enjoy every seccond of it.


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Old 14th February 2005, 10:23 PM   #18
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Hi all,

I have a pair of the first series of the Final 0.3, so that includes the fixed powercord.

While I was happy with their sound at first, I decided to do some modding on them since I unfortunately don't have that much money to buy MLs.

What I have done is I replaced the crappy powercord with thick, shielded powercords from Belden and terminated them with Balts/Schuro biggest power plugs.

Then I replaced the 33mF with Mundorf 33mF MCaps and replaced the the 1MF bypass capacitor with Mundorf 1mF supreme silver/oil.

I can tel you that the difference is tremendous! I first did the right speaker to be able to compare before and after modification. But you actually couldn't compare them anymore. the modification brings much more detail, depth and a bigger soundstage

I now ordered mundorf copperfoil coils to replace the standard coils, I wonder what this will bring me...

@TimA oesn't replacing the 220mF with the old 33mF completely change the characteristics? It sounds very interesting to change that cheap cap, but I'm a bit afraid of what it might do.
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TimA doesn't replacing the 220mF with the old 33mF completely change the characteristics? It sounds very interesting to change that cheap cap, but I'm a bit afraid of what it might do.
azagtoth,

It increases the amount of upper bass very significantly, I our case it removed much of the lean and thin balance of the speaker, though we needed to reduce the panel sensitivity via new power supplies in order to bring the 'whole' speaker into balance.

Incidentally, there are a couple of 'unknown' variables here.
1. The bass unit seems to have been changed at some point, ours uses a Taiwanese model whose dust-cap is the same colour as the cone (I notice that some have a black dust cap - this may be just cosmetic, I don't know).
2. The panel was updated - my experiences are with the later version. I don't know if either of these differences actually account for the discrepancy between my impressions of this particular pair and comments found elsewhere, but as cross-over components often need to be altered when the drive unit is changed it would not suprise me much.



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I now ordered mundorf copperfoil coils to replace the standard coils, I wonder what this will bring me...
I hope you will let us know.

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Old 20th February 2005, 10:40 PM   #20
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I had a pair of the Final 0.3's on loan from the US distributor Bob Rappaport for about 4 months. Unfortunately his personal pair that he loaned me had one ESL panel which had a much lower output than the other, making for a poor evaluation. (It is another story altogether how much of an incompetent and smarmy impression he left me with. The distribution rights have since moved on.) But I padded -- literally -- the corresponding woofer with a stack of towels, turned the balance control way over, and pushed them as hard as the Forte Model 4A could manage (50W Class A).

I really like the design, but I thought it was executed on the cheapest, flimsiest side possible (believe me, I dissected them). There is a lot of potential for these speakers, but I think they deserve some half decent upgrades wherever possible. I still want these speakers (and now the 0.3's are gone), but just can't be sure about the reliability of the panels themselves. (An example of how ratty these are manufactured: the perforated holes in the front and rear stators on one side don't quite align, making one more opaque than the other -- surprisingly distracting while positioning them.) Everything else about them is upgradable, and I'm glad you guys have found out exactly how.

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