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Old 13th November 2012, 11:18 PM   #21
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I've heard the commercial electronic pianos, they're pretty good... probably very good if recorded and played back on a high quality system. Of course they come nowhere near the power and dynamics of a real piano with their internal speakers, and amplification...

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Old 14th November 2012, 02:15 AM   #22
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Old 14th November 2012, 08:48 AM   #23
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a small Karlson cabinet such as K12 (24.5" x 16.75" x13.75" deep) or the Acoustic Control 115BK (27" by 20.5" x13.5" deep sans wing inset) topped with a diy K-tube tweeter made like the Transylvania Power product and modest priced compression driver might sound pretty good and better than CD horn/direct radiators. (I'd want the keyboard part as light as possible)
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Old 17th November 2012, 09:04 AM   #24
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My design for a baby piano full range planar speaker is taking shape in my minds eye. Just a matter of hoping for some nice weather so I can cut the MDF soundboard. I have about 1400 neo magnets 25 x 6 x 3 mm, which I purchased in a sale. This should be enough! Still a few more finer details to finalize in my mind. If it's still working well!!
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Old 19th November 2012, 08:00 AM   #25
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Default baby piano planar +

MDF cut, last rebuild (big one) and A4 size finished to pair the other one with the epsilon layout same impedance and sensitivity. Have a happy Xmas all.
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Old 19th November 2012, 08:13 AM   #26
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Just got to sort out perforated sheet and place magnets on the sheet, then fix the 3 diaphragms in place and finalize the shape and put on 3 feet.Will use game setting on ONKYO Amp, as this uses 3 speakers which is just right for piano. If not will sort out something else. Can't wait to play some solo piano music thro' this set up, wish me luck for a good outcome.
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Old 19th November 2012, 12:41 PM   #27
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JAMESBROS, I think you might want to start a new thread on your planar build? Seems like a worthy thing to do.

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Old 19th November 2012, 03:40 PM   #28
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wow listen to all the doubters (more the first couple pages), some of the most critical of whom quite clearly (sreten) have no idea of where this technology is at these days...

do I know of any double blind tests carried out? no, but then I havent looked, but I do know that these modeled pianos are pretty awesome nowdays, they use a mixture of thousands of well miked high bandwidth/bitdepth samples of very good pianos and acoustic modelling of the spaces and resonances, including that of sympathetic undamped strings etc. its pretty damn convincing.

@sreten: velocity sensitive weighted keyboards with aftertouch have been around for decades and ivory II has 18 velocity layers that you can apply to various elements of the model... i'll tell you right now, you have listened to music you thought was a real piano already, but it wasnt.

the kontakt Alicia keys is not bad at all either, but I favor synthology ivory II check the performances, some are pretty decent. do remember its not high bitrate mp3, keep that in mind


now to build the amps and speakers to match the quality is another thing, for recording I would probably start with headphones

Is anyone considering that the OP may also be wanting to use this for recording? often you get multiple models and you can then I suppose mix them on the one keyboard if you so desire. but the kicker here is, you get several of the worlds most revered pianos, recorded in ideal acoustical spaces, or dry for you to add your own reverb and its recorded with precision and the best microphones by skilled engineers, most people cannot hope to attain that for their recordings even if they have a real piano, so the final result is excellent, as long as the performance is good.

the VSTs are probably ahead of the electronic pianos these days IMO ivory for example, with the 3 models is 77GB

do they relegate pianos to the past? of course not, but for those who live in the real non-ideal world it can easily be a better option

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Old 19th November 2012, 05:58 PM   #29
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Not much of a true dialog going on here.

Anybody who posts a link and says to me, "See, now doesn't that sound exactly like a piano?" really is clueless about what I mean by "sounds like a piano.. even down the hall."

Likewise, I must be entirely clueless about why anybody would devise a speaker in roughly the shape of a piano and think it ought to have a piano-like sound to it.

About PERFECT sampling of the sound of a piano: yes it can be perfect. But nothing excites a room like a piano except a similar piano. Which is why a stereo system never sounds enough like a piano to fool anybody (but those with commercial tie-ins), not even down the hall. Granted, a simulation can be good enough that nobody ever thinks you are simulating anything but a piano, Alicia Keys's piano (whoever she is) or anybody.

Let me add a further bit of koan in here. There are brief times I might confuse one woodwind for another. But that is a lot more common than confusing a speaker for my wife practicing her violin (which even briefly is almost never).

BTW, you need to prove your powers of discrimination are up to the task before you claim a simulation is no different than reality.

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Old 19th November 2012, 06:49 PM   #30
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haha you sir need to learn to read posts more carefully, I made none of the claims you mention

or, if you can read carefully, you need to stop trolling for a reaction by putting words in my mouth
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