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Old 17th January 2013, 05:39 PM   #41
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Hi Kip, Did you get the dax to run them tri-amped? I just bought a set of Grazed Diva's last models with the strong neo magnets, they came with the passives and the Grafic interface dax, I may run them tubes and H2O on the bottom, contact GD, he may have good info for you.
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Old 17th January 2013, 05:59 PM   #42
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Did graz redo the Diva's with neo's ...?
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Old 15th February 2015, 09:51 PM   #43
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Default German MKIV

this is worrying that there are Scintilla clones in Germany ( called MKIV) even though there were no official MKIV's ever made

how can we tell which are the real mcoy, are there some simple ways to tell which Scinnies are clones ??
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Old 16th February 2015, 05:52 AM   #44
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Well, the back plate is a dead give away.
Then there is the back of the speaker where there are wooden cross support behind the bass on the clone. The real one has none.
The clone also have round metal cross bar support for the ribbon cage. The real Scintilla has rectangular.

Then, from what I can see on the PDF, the ribbon tweeter looks like it has been corrugated with the same format as the bass ribbons.
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Old 16th February 2015, 10:51 PM   #45
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Hi Jerker, thank you, I have requested access to your google profile album
the very thought of someone doing this type of fraud is naughty !
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Old 17th February 2015, 12:01 AM   #46
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Did graz redo the Diva's with neo's ...?
This man sells them with new stronger magnets. I suspect they are neo`s: TRUE SOUND WORKS AUDIO, INC. - HOME

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Old 17th February 2015, 12:20 AM   #47
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thank you very much Jerker, very much appreciated

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has anybody heard them, are these MKIV better than the originals ??
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Old 17th February 2015, 12:28 PM   #48
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There are no real MK IV, those are german fakes, 3 pairs made, company down. No service and original parts available for them.

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Forget it abouth neos in the Diva. No idea what there is inside them , but neos would cost apx 10'000 $ for magnets from the manufacturer and need different frame and so on.
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Old 17th February 2015, 01:57 PM   #49
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There are no real MK IV, those are german fakes, 3 pairs made, company down. No service and original parts available for them.

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Forget it abouth neos in the Diva. No idea what there is inside them , but neos would cost apx 10'000 $ for magnets from the manufacturer and need different frame and so on.
Ok. Could this just be a newer and stronger Ceramic type ? What would a good alternative be ? Anyone ? Just curious. DeltaStar says he has bought a pair
with Neo´s in them. Never new about the fakes.

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Old 17th February 2015, 03:15 PM   #50
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Normal Ceramic Magnets , thats what Apogee used originally.
In the later 80's they changed to somewhat stronger ceramics( made in brasil, i know this from the former Apogee Importer there, he told me this personally), giving maybe 1 or 2 dB more efficiency.
The construction of the Apogee Woofers you cannot only make magnets strong, the magnetic field must be were it should be and the magnet carrying perforated metalsheet must be veeeeeeeeeeeery stable and the frame to.

Of coursee you can use AlNiCos , this will give you more efficiency, but they are really pricey and for apowoofers you need a lot of them.

Neos are, what Graz uses in his Design for the Apogee Definitive, this gives real good effieciency with clearly more than 90dB with 1 Watt. I have seen that personally.

Neos are different in quality and very pricey, at least 10 x than ceramics.

If someone says, he has Divas with Neo, so he can drive them with 30 Watt to very high levels, but i IMHO i don't believe someone modded the Divas this way.

Until now i just have seen a lot of blabla concerning magnets except the new ones from Graz which are very different made, only the the trapezoidal woofer is common style from the from.
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