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Old 13th June 2012, 06:20 AM   #11
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Typical electrostatics energize the room differently than either BG type. Much wider than the RD50 and much taller than the Neo's..
I suppose in general they would also have less distortion given the larger driver area.
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Old 13th June 2012, 06:32 AM   #12
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I suppose in general they would also have less distortion given the larger driver area.
in general, no, I dont think so

I expect it to be frequency related
being bigger you might try to cross it lower
and distortion rise again, relatively
but, it might still handle it better, yes
no clear case yet

but still, I expect a bigger driver to distort more at higher frequencies
but I dare not say 'in general'
could be a 'simple' matter of power handling
and/or size, in some cases

but still, very much frequency related, surely
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Old 13th June 2012, 11:16 PM   #13
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in general, no, I dont think so

I expect it to be frequency related
being bigger you might try to cross it lower
and distortion rise again, relatively
but, it might still handle it better, yes
no clear case yet

but still, I expect a bigger driver to distort more at higher frequencies
but I dare not say 'in general'
could be a 'simple' matter of power handling
and/or size, in some cases

but still, very much frequency related, surely
I see electrostatic panels, from a high frequency perspective, as absolutely humongous tweeters. The problems associated with absolutely humongous tweeters are obvious. For all intents and purposes,the (gimmicky)cool looking, curved ML panel will make no difference in regards to lateral high frequency dispersion. This is one of their primary downfalls, in my opinion. Another problem with large panel speakers and high frequencies have to do with timing related errors. Your ears will first hear the transient from the panel at the point closest to your ears. Then you will hear that same transient played out over time from from that point to(Eventually)the points on the panel farthest from your ears. Messy. Quads are the only ESL's that don't have that problem..

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Old 15th June 2012, 10:09 PM   #14
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Old 15th July 2012, 02:06 PM   #15
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I see electrostatic panels, from a high frequency perspective, as absolutely humongous tweeters. The problems associated with absolutely humongous tweeters are obvious. For all intents and purposes,the (gimmicky)cool looking, curved ML panel will make no difference in regards to lateral high frequency dispersion. This is one of their primary downfalls, in my opinion. Another problem with large panel speakers and high frequencies have to do with timing related errors. Your ears will first hear the transient from the panel at the point closest to your ears. Then you will hear that same transient played out over time from from that point to(Eventually)the points on the panel farthest from your ears. Messy. Quads are the only ESL's that don't have that problem..
Well, curved metal panels have other advantages like increased stability. To me it seems that straight line source would have the same problem with delayed transients (although slightly less). The only source that would not have this problem is where the entire source is equidistant from the listener position. A point source is the best in this regard of course.
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