analysis epsilon

brian t · 7th November 2011, 08:31 PM

hi, i have some analysis epsilon ribbon speakers with the bass panels distorting, on closer examination the problem is the membrane hitting the magnets at the rear of the speaker even at low volume, they have obviously lost there tension does anyone know if i can re tension them its not clear how they come apart to gain access any ideas? thanks

brian t · 9th November 2011, 10:35 PM

have found the problem now i have taken them apart the bass diaphram is suspended around its edges by a rubber strip this has rotten away causing the panel to lose tension and touch the magnets.am going to try and repair these myself as the price quoted by analysis would pay off greeces national debt!

brian t · 9th November 2011, 11:12 PM

brian t · 9th November 2011, 11:15 PM

all advice would be welcome the panel itself is fine its just this rubber suspension i need to repair

brian t · 9th November 2011, 11:18 PM

geraldfryjr · 10th November 2011, 09:45 PM

Very interesting!

I had been thinking about using a rubber surround design for a planar and I had no idea that it already had been implemented.

And this is the very reason I have not tried it.
Rubber can deteriorate in time.

I could say it looks like an easy repair. He,he
Although quite time consuming, It looks like all of the rubber is in need of replacement. If you just repair the one strip it will be just a matter of time that another one will start to tear.

I was thinking you could just repair the strip just like you can patch a tire inner tube.

But the question is how long would the old material hold up or is it to deteriorated to make a decent bond to some new material on the top and bottom of the existing strip.

I think you may be able to repair just the one strip by gluing on a new rubber band on the top( and bottom?) of the split and then clamp it and retension it.

I'm thinking that the diagphram was clamped into place and then used the heat treatment process to get the tension on the mylar.

If it the repairs were to fail, The construction of a new diagphram doesn't look to be very difficult.

Much easier than on my Apogee Duette's anyhow.
In fact I may try to implement this construction If my repairs fail and have to replace the diagphrams on them.
Now that I see that it has been done on a commercial product

Just my 2 cents.......Hmmmmm.....

jer

brian t · 11th November 2011, 06:25 PM

am going to repair them with a patch up for now as i have only just brought them so would like to use them, and will make some new panels when i get the parts needed have the mylar but need to get some aluminium foil would be grateful someone can advise me where to buy it. as regards the rubber suspension am going to have to get some various rubber strips and just use trial and error till i get one with the right tension unless anyone can recommend some.cheers brian

tyu · 11th November 2011, 07:31 PM

Vary cool thanks for the info....never seen this setup befor....Just the Apogees....Post more pix if you can.

brian t · 11th November 2011, 08:10 PM

brian t · 11th November 2011, 08:17 PM

7th November 2011, 08:31 PM	#1
brian t diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: england	analysis epsilon hi, i have some analysis epsilon ribbon speakers with the bass panels distorting, on closer examination the problem is the membrane hitting the magnets at the rear of the speaker even at low volume, they have obviously lost there tension does anyone know if i can re tension them its not clear how they come apart to gain access any ideas? thanks

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9th November 2011, 10:35 PM	#2
brian t diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: england	have found the problem now i have taken them apart the bass diaphram is suspended around its edges by a rubber strip this has rotten away causing the panel to lose tension and touch the magnets.am going to try and repair these myself as the price quoted by analysis would pay off greeces national debt!

9th November 2011, 11:12 PM	#3
brian t diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: england

9th November 2011, 11:15 PM	#4
brian t diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: england	all advice would be welcome the panel itself is fine its just this rubber suspension i need to repair

9th November 2011, 11:18 PM	#5
brian t diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: england

10th November 2011, 09:45 PM	#6
geraldfryjr diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jackson,michigan	Very interesting! I had been thinking about using a rubber surround design for a planar and I had no idea that it already had been implemented. And this is the very reason I have not tried it. Rubber can deteriorate in time. I could say it looks like an easy repair. He,he Although quite time consuming, It looks like all of the rubber is in need of replacement. If you just repair the one strip it will be just a matter of time that another one will start to tear. I was thinking you could just repair the strip just like you can patch a tire inner tube. But the question is how long would the old material hold up or is it to deteriorated to make a decent bond to some new material on the top and bottom of the existing strip. I think you may be able to repair just the one strip by gluing on a new rubber band on the top( and bottom?) of the split and then clamp it and retension it. I'm thinking that the diagphram was clamped into place and then used the heat treatment process to get the tension on the mylar. If it the repairs were to fail, The construction of a new diagphram doesn't look to be very difficult. Much easier than on my Apogee Duette's anyhow. In fact I may try to implement this construction If my repairs fail and have to replace the diagphrams on them. Now that I see that it has been done on a commercial product Just my 2 cents.......Hmmmmm..... jer

11th November 2011, 06:25 PM	#7
brian t diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: england	am going to repair them with a patch up for now as i have only just brought them so would like to use them, and will make some new panels when i get the parts needed have the mylar but need to get some aluminium foil would be grateful someone can advise me where to buy it. as regards the rubber suspension am going to have to get some various rubber strips and just use trial and error till i get one with the right tension unless anyone can recommend some.cheers brian

11th November 2011, 07:31 PM	#8
tyu diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2009	Vary cool thanks for the info....never seen this setup befor....Just the Apogees....Post more pix if you can.

11th November 2011, 08:10 PM	#9
brian t diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: england

11th November 2011, 08:17 PM	#10
brian t diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: england