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Old 19th February 2013, 03:25 PM   #31
Edmund is offline Edmund  Netherlands
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Hi Edmund,

ESL's with 6-micron or lighter diaphragms and good transformers can play to 20kHz+. I don't have a frequency response plot for my speaker that I can post for you, but I do use a DEQ-2496 EQ, with a microphone, and it shows response to 20kHz (the unit's RTA scale only reads to 20kHz and my digital crossover cuts off all output above 20kHz anyway).

As far as I know, polyester film (Mylar or Hostaphan) is still the preferred material for diaphragms. I'm not aware of any pre-coated film available for DIY use. The Licron Crystal coating isn't cheap but it's super easy-- 1 coat sprayed "just wet" is pretty much foolproof.

good luck with your project!
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Old 19th February 2013, 03:37 PM   #32
Edmund is offline Edmund  Netherlands
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Suppliers for ESL parts in Germany or The Netherlands?

I try to order the most basic things like a membrane and coating material
and end up with Australian suppliers of in China :-)
Not to mention I found :
“Mylar(R) is the registered trademark owned by the E.I. Dupont Corporation for Bi-Axially Oriented Polyester Film. There are dozens of different types and grades of Mylar(R), however the term is generically used to describe a range of different films.”
Can someone help me with what type of Mylar I exactly need for an ESL?
Since I found that some specialist in Australia has 3.5 micron which gives the best performance, I am looking for that thickness and give or take 600mm wide.

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Old 19th February 2013, 03:47 PM   #33
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Thank you, can you or anybody else confirm this:
TECHSPRAY | Products
Is the stuff I need?

Edmund
Yes, TechSpray Licron Crystal #1756 is what you want. I use the #1756-8S, which comes in an 8-oz aerosol spray can. I haven't tried the 1756 non-aerosol liquid.
One coat of the spray leaves a 2-micron thick film that's almost clear. Since it dries that thin and light, I don't see any need to try and dilute it or spread it thinner to save mass, as some are want to do. This is my preference.

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Old 20th February 2013, 01:39 AM   #34
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Mylar type C is used for capacitors and electronic
Great choice but hard to find in wide widths.

Mylar type D is typically used for books and print coverings and is more commonly available.
It is a very transparent type of mylar

There many different types and some that have a heat sensitive glue backings such as model airplane coverings like Monokote and on some wrapped food products like you find on the top of TV dinners.

I am not sure but the R type that you have mentioned may be a reflective type, commonly used for reflective window coverings and such as well as antistatic bags and mylar balloons.
Don't quote me on this though as I have not found this label listing on the Dupont site yet.

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Typically you want a mylar that is tensilized or has already been pre-stretched.

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As mylar will keep stretching up to a point then it will stop stretching.

This could cause the panel to lose its tension in time if it is not a tensilized type and would have to be re-tensioned.
This can easily be dealt with if you are using a mechanical stretcher by doing a test on a sample and making note on how far your sample can be stretched before breakage.

Typically that would be about 2%.

But a un-tensilized type may be able to stretch by as much as 4% or more before it stops stretching depending on its gauge of thickness.

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Old 20th February 2013, 08:40 AM   #35
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Suppliers for ESL parts in Germany or The Netherlands?

I try to order the most basic things like a membrane and coating material
and end up with Australian suppliers of in China :-)
Not to mention I found :
“Mylar(R) is the registered trademark owned by the E.I. Dupont Corporation for Bi-Axially Oriented Polyester Film. There are dozens of different types and grades of Mylar(R), however the term is generically used to describe a range of different films.”
Can someone help me with what type of Mylar I exactly need for an ESL?
Since I found that some specialist in Australia has 3.5 micron which gives the best performance, I am looking for that thickness and give or take 600mm wide.

Edmund
Hi Edmund,

No need to look in china or australia.
Check out the ESL-club in your own country.
You will find me there

Greetings from Holland
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Old 20th February 2013, 08:16 PM   #36
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Hi Edmund,

No need to look in china or australia.
Check out the ESL-club in your own country.
You will find me there

Greetings from Holland
And there are more supliers in the Netherlands (wich you can not find at the "esl-club"). I know a man in Haren(Groningen) who sells also mylar and I could deliver high quality costum made esl tansformers a well.

Greetings from the Netherlands again :-)
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Old 25th February 2013, 05:40 PM   #37
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So many dutch esl builders on this forum must be because where ought to be people that don't like to spend money, so better build ur own

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Old 25th February 2013, 07:05 PM   #38
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So many dutch esl builders on this forum must be because where ought to be people that don't like to spend money, so better build ur own
I guess you are wrong, at least that was not why i build my own esl.

I build my own because i think i could do "better". And really good esl transformers are not normally available so i decided to build my own transformer too.
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