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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario
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Hi Everyone!
I'm going to build a pair of hybrid ESL speakers. I went to my local metal supermarket today and they have two types of perforated steel sheets. The first one is a 16 gauge with 0.125" holes staggered on 3/16" centers. It has a 40% opening area. The other sheet is 18 gauge and has 0.156" holes. It has a 63% opening area. Will either of these be suitable? Or should I try for something more ideal from somewhere else? |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Maine, USA
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I'd go for the 0.125" holes staggered on 3/16" centers, but don't have a handy way to calculate or look up the thickness of that gauge of material. Can you convert it to a thickness in inches or mm?
Few |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario
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Few,
According to Wikipedia, 16 gauge steel sheet is 0.0598" or 1.52mm. That's just a couple of thous shy of 1/16". |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Savannah, GA
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The Cookbook recommends hole sizes should not be smaller than 2x the stator thickness so 16 gauge/.125 holes would be at the limit before coating the stators and the holes would get a bit smaller still after coating. That's a tough call-- opinions, anyone?
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Savannah, GA
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Forgot to mention, I'm using 18 mil (.048") thick stators with .125 holes/40% open and they are very efficient and sound great. Personally, I would opt for 40% open versus 63% open but I think I'm in the minority on that.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario
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hi Charlie,
Maybe if I give the 63% perf some good heavy coating that would reduce the opening enough? |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: close to Basel
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Hi,
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A second explanations is based on the behaviour of absorbants. Punched metal sheets are useable as porous absorbers with a frequency dependant degree of transmittance. The formula for a transmission degree of 50% reads: f0.5~1.500*eta/I [Hz] with: eta the openness of the sheet in % and I the acoustically effective thickness of the sheet, which depends on the sheetīs thickness X and the holeīs diameter D. I=X+pi*D/2 [mm] Example: eta=33%, X=1mm, D=3mm I=1mm+3.14*3mm/2 --> 5.7mm f0.5~1500*33/5.7 [Hz] --> 8.7kHz This implies the choice of thin sheets, small holes and high openness and distinct rounding/tapering of the holes. A calculation via the helmholtz-formula leads to similar but slightly lower results. The calculations are not precise and include a high degree of tolerance .. in the dimensional values in... the air volumes.... in the shape of the holes etc. etc. So regard it as a rule of thumb and only basic design guide. jauu Calvin Last edited by Calvin; 27th August 2010 at 09:20 AM. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Savannah, GA
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Freddy,
There you have it ! (I couldn't have said it myself, lol) Choosing a stator material is a tough call for most of us-- you study all you can and go with your gut feeling on the hard calls and hope you made the right choices. Thanks Calvin -- I was hoping you would jump in and bail me out on that question.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: close to Basel
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Hi,
I just copied the formulas from my notes. Rethinking about I wonder if they can be right though. Itīs the formula for effective thickness which seems a bit weird to me, because larger diametered holes would lead to a lower transmittance factor. This canīt be right. Thinking in extrems...a single huge hole would show a lower transmittance than a myriad of tiny holes with same openness!?!? Too, a smaller hole increase losses, which allows for microperforated film absorbers to omit with additional damping material alltogether, which larger holed absorbers still need. jauu Calvin |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario
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Thank you Calvin for the concise explanation. I think I will search for a more ideal material...I don't want to take any chances. (too bad, because this material was local to me and very cheap)
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