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Old 12th April 2010, 02:53 AM   #221
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some more pics. there is more to complete, but this is the cake, decorations will come later. I will also do a step by step on this and my adventure. one panel is simply amazing, so if anyone who reads this thread, it is well worth the time, there has not been a "start fo finish" project here that i have seen, note that there may some, just could not find it.
I gave rhis a lot og thought and will NOT make a video, there will be a new thread, "ESL start to finish project" or something of that nature.
it will be pics, expanations, hick-ups, problems and problem solving. I hope this helps, so stay tuned, we are just getting started.
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Old 12th April 2010, 03:02 AM   #222
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Old 12th April 2010, 03:26 AM   #223
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Smile Licron coating

I am very happy wit this coating, i have onlry Charlies and mine as a refference, there is no better sound, invited neighbors over and they were overwhelmed, the di pole effect was awesome, they would walk away and then the music was louder, clear, you can speak to one another but that full sound was very present, no rattles, nothing.
I know now why a powered sub is NOT recommended, i tried mine and shut it off, the TL design looks weird but from todays experience, i see how it will blebd with stats.
Alot learned today, i hope i shared as much as could, but have been awake and going since 7:00AM EST and getting home around 22:00 hundred EST.
so please check this out and give me your thoughts, i have done what i can for now, what have you done? Want to HEAR it.
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Old 12th April 2010, 03:34 AM   #224
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something else.
Too bad that little transformer on one of the bias supplies got fried but it's cheap at least.

I suppose you could run that panel full range but I wouldn't if I were you. I would run it hybrid using that new crossover and TL woofer (the trannys are not really suited for full range and hybrid mode would be easier on your amp).

I'm confident the panels are superbly built-- no arcing or other problems expected-- the 3M foam tape won't last forever but you shouldn't have any problems anytime soon.
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Old 12th April 2010, 01:50 PM   #225
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Charlie, i played them or rather one so my wife could listen to her favorite music, Jewel, lots of vocals, and it took here an hour to find that ,that was the only speaker playing in the house, pianos, guitars, a little drum bass, bu running at 35rms off this little sony amp, i am at a lost for words, i cannot describe this sound, my wife was going through her music collection like a teenager with their there very first sytem (car audio) from factory to aftermarket.
She( wife) has allready heard aftermarket, and kept being asked "where is the speaker? i hear it, where is at? it sounds everywhere, where is it?"
since it was so well insulated, i told her to put your ear to it, listen from top to bottom, the look on her face was priceless, how does it work, i can see right throuh it, where is it? over and over.
i have a very open living area as well as a loft, one stat playing, any place to went, the sound was increadable. THANK YOU CHARLIE M. THANK YOU THANK YOU.
The panels are put away for the time untill my TL's are coated and the Tv stand is finished and coated as well, after all my equipment is set up, i will bring an rta meter and post some pics.
So many thanks for everyones input, i would imagine there would be suggestions, so please share, i have shared the entire process, the next is crossover and amp(s) set up. not sure to use one amp per stat and tl, or, two amp, 1/2 stat,1/2 TL, times 2. the amps are split in 1/2 on the inside,
so , one amp for the stats, and one on th TL's?????
Charlie is using Carver Amps, dont know if my set up should be differnt, so there is the question.
Still some more cosmetic building, but thats it, i have had a wonderful weekend and look forward to more wonderful days with this new knowledge. Mavric
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ordered transformer, working on tv stand tomorrow. as far as the 3m tape goes, these will never the light of day, windows are all tinted, only 1% uv allowed thru
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the next is crossover and amp(s) set up. not sure to use one amp per stat and tl, or, two amp, 1/2 stat,1/2 TL, times 2. the amps are split in 1/2 on the inside,
so , one amp for the stats, and one on th TL's?????
Either way will work but I prefer "vertical" bi-amping, which is one amp for each speaker with one channel driving the woofer and the other channel of the same amp driving the stat panel.
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Old 13th April 2010, 03:45 AM   #228
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That is so awesome!!!
I know that giddy feeling all to well.
I still get it every time I fire mine up after not listening to them for a few days.
I have been working on my bias supply also.
I Changed something then blew out three mosfets trying to get back to square one.
So I started over form scratch and I am back to square one and it has been running all day with no glitches .
Some how I managed to get a good looking sine wave out of the hv transformer than the pulse like distorted one i was getting.
I was working on the variable control design and trying to save using more costlier parts and got it working when things went haywire.
So I'll try again ,but somtimes the extra time and effort isn't worth it,as the cost of the 3 lost fets is 4 times the cost of the lm317 regulator should have tried in the first place, especialy since I need a regulator anyhow.
AAAAh,the fun of R&D.
Luckly I didn't blow out any diodes in my 10 stage multplier ,that would really suck!
I have gotten as much as 7mm to 9mm healthy loud arc discharges off of it without problems.
Since it is variable (aprox. 0v to 30kv) I can not only power my esl's ,but also use it to test coatings.
Next I need to add some kind of voltage meter or indicater of some sort.
I really like this circuit and need to eventualy build several more for the esl's and keep this one for the bench.
I wil post the schematics for this after I get it in box and have some more room on my bench.
Since this supply is overkill for esl's (but works for now) I wil come up with a recipe for just esl's.
Using this design or similar ,one that is variable and can be duplicated without issues for the diy'ers that don't have the know how of designing circuits. jer
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Charlie, i played them or rather one so my wife could listen to her favorite music, Jewel, lots of vocals, and it took here an hour to find that ,that was the only speaker playing in the house, pianos, guitars, a little drum bass, bu running at 35rms off this little sony amp, i am at a lost for words, i cannot describe this sound, my wife was going through her music collection like a teenager with their there very first sytem (car audio) from factory to aftermarket.
She( wife) has allready heard aftermarket, and kept being asked "where is the speaker? i hear it, where is at? it sounds everywhere, where is it?" [...]
Hey, that's what you get with a line source. Quite different, no?

If you like one panel, wait 'till you hear them in stereo!

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I second that one,kenneth, as I have been running mine mono for a few weeks now!
Building amps is next. jer
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