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Old 10th February 2010, 07:28 PM   #21
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Ooooh thats good news. I don't know exactly what they are like as I haven't seen under the grille cloth yet. Hopefully I'll get a look on Friday...

thanks for the info, very helpful....

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Old 28th June 2010, 01:34 PM   #22
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Good news!

But it is still very strange from Mr. Römer not to answer a customer phone call or email.

Harry
Update - Great news:

As mentioned, I received the panels from Shackman and Mr. Romer followed up with email to check if I was happy with the panels - he explained that the delay was caused by a brief illness.

Now that Mr. Romer is back, he has answered all my questions regarding the rebuilt Quad ESL 63 and has demontrated extensive knowledge on ESL's - I look forward to trying the panels and to continue doing business with the Shackman firm.
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Old 30th June 2010, 12:28 PM   #23
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Hello,

Has anyone had contact with the Shackman ESL site;

Reromanus Shackman Electrostatic Loudspeakers Online Catalogue

Back in the fall of 2009, I corresponded with the owner of the site to get some of my Quad ESL 63 panels rebuilt - now, I can't get hold of the owner and am still waiting for my panels.

I tried phoning and sending emails.

Perhaps the owner is ill or the site is no longer supported.

Thanks for any information.

Greg
Just to provide a bit more information regarding the above original thread - as noted in the previous post, I received the panels and our deal involved a trade for the rebuilt panels, thus the amount of time I waited for the panels was quite fair.

In closing, I look forward to dealing with the Shackman ESL site in the future.
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Old 11th July 2010, 11:46 AM   #24
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Just to provide a bit more information regarding the above original thread - as noted in the previous post, I received the panels and our deal involved a trade for the rebuilt panels, thus the amount of time I waited for the panels was quite fair.

In closing, I look forward to dealing with the Shackman ESL site in the future.
I'm glad to see you had this 180 degree change of hart. I wish more people could say the same about Shackman.

These are pictures from a pair of Quad ESL that have been refurbished by Reiner Romer. According to the owner he had to wait one year to get his speakers back. They worked for a while then they started to make humming, buzzing and rattling sounds. I let the pictures speak for themselves.
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Old 11th July 2010, 05:02 PM   #25
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I have seen that two pictures are missing in this link (especially the one where the diaphragm is stretched with the help of a spring balance). See attachment.



Working with 3 micron film is tricky. Try these clamps. They are looking slightly different than the European ones, but should be the same.

Harry
Hi Harry
When stretching using the spring ballance, what pulle do you aim fore?
I guess it depends on the film thickness but say for either 3 or 6 mu film ...
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Old 12th July 2010, 04:33 AM   #26
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So much work for an ESL .... Ribbons for hevar ................
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Old 12th July 2010, 08:51 AM   #27
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I'm glad to see you had this 180 degree change of hart. I wish more people could say the same about Shackman.
I haven't changed my mind about Mr. Römer. No 180 degree turn. His "fabulous" VLC07 coating for the Esl-63 (actual price is Euro 59.-), is still lying around on my workbench. So if anyone is interested, I will ship it for free worldwide.

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When stretching using the spring ballance, what pulle do you aim fore?
I guess it depends on the film thickness but say for either 3 or 6 mu film ...
Yes, it depends on the thickness of the film. The thinner the film, the more tension you will need. Using the spring balance, 2.5 kg is a good starting point. Don't use more, because the film will rip easily. Better to go around a few times until really ALL the tapes have the same tension (because when tensioning one tape, the ones next to it will relax a bit).

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Old 21st July 2012, 06:15 PM   #28
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I tried to purchase some panel material from SHACKMAN ESL.

Here is 8 weeks of emails about 16 times between myself and Romer.

FINALLY GOT IT FROM ROB AT ER AUDIO, DOWN UNDER.

It is not on a roll. Only folded sheets of exactly 2100mm by 1600mm.
On roll possibly end of 2013, when our actual stock is empty.

> Hello
> Doesn't the foil come off a roll?
> I would prefer one continous piece.
>
> ONE PIECE 8 METERS LONG, CAN YOU DO THAT?
>
> When you input my email into paypal to ask for money paypal sends
> invoice.
>
> When I pay they send you my address and shipping information.
>
> Have no idea what an offical invoice is, Don't you use paypal?
>
> 3 items- 8 meter foil, Glue, Stretching tape.
>
>
> Subject: Re: Beveridge Metalized plastic 12 meters
>
>
>> Thank you.
>> I did not know, hoe to get a shipping address from a Paypal account.
>> Heck, nevertehless, no moe obstacle to define a complete invoice.
>>
>> The 2m by 1m price is 17,45€ per piece.
>> Is that ok.?? If yes I well prepare an official invoice.
>>
>> Reiner
>>> All this information is in the paypal payment.
>>>

>>> Subject: Re: Beveridge Metalized plastic 12 meters
>>>>
>>>> for processing your order I need the complete shipping address,
>>>> not only Zipcode USA.

>>>>> Hello
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to purchase 12 meters of the foil
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 roll stretching tape, And some glue that will work on the
>>>>> foil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know the tension that is required?
>>>>>
>>>>> You can invoice me through paypal
>>>>> Subject: Re: Beveridge Metalized plastic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right. The foil is not in the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to calculate the cost for it.
>>>>>> The size is 2m x 1m.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sir
>>>>>>> I need to repair Beveridge speakers and would like to purchase
>>>>>>> metalized film to do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not see gold foil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1- what is the price, size and part number of gold foil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send URL so I can find it on your sites.
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Beveridge Metalized plastic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You asked for 1 mil film.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We prefer the gold metalized film.
>>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>> That is what I am asking about?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which one do I need for Bev system III.
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Beveridge Metalized plastic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have alu matallized and gold metallized film for
>>>>>>>>>> Beveride.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please download our price list.

>>>>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what the beveridge uses for their panels?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it mylar or PET? All we know is that it is aluminized.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Looking for a material to try on my panels.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Beveridge appears to be out of business again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Beveridge Metalized plastic
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we answered, that we do not have 1mil metalized
>>>>>>>>>>>> film.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway. Are you really sure that it is 1 mil (2,5µ ?)
>>>>>>>>>>>> foil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reiner
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I emailed a few days ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have the plastic diaphram material for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beveridge System
>>>>>>>>>>>>> III?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a 1 mil aluminized plastic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if you have this or if you know what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> type or where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can get some..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
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Old 22nd July 2012, 09:04 PM   #29
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I am looking for the specifications and the graph for the frequency response from the Shackman ESL cells like
Shackman Electrostatic Tweeters.
I don't find this informations online.
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