heard Electrostats for the first time

[villastrangiato]

Originally Posted by Borat

B&W speakers didn't have that problem even though they also sound dull compared to my little JBL LSR 6325P monitors.

it was difficult to even judge the potential of ESL as a midrange because without the treble it was sort of impossible to judge harmonic content.

so there you have it:

projection - 10/10

effortlessness - 10/10

sound quality - 3/10

it would be really interesting to hear ESL as a midrange in a speaker with properly rendered top end.

I wasn't sure what his problem was until he said this: "they also sound dull compared to my little JBL LSR 6325P monitors."

Obviously, another JBL troll..... Not that I hate JBL's - I've owned 250ti's since 1992. But clearly, JBL is not the be all, end all. Anyone who's heard an electrostatic like a Martin Logan Source knows because of the large format design there is a very definite "sweet spot" where high frequencies do not cancel each other - that is a fact of life with most electrostatics. When listening from this location, however, there are very few dynamic speakers that can compare in the ability to resolve musical signals. Their distortion throughout most of the audible range is vanishingly low. Clearly, when he started dissing the Sonus Faber speakers in a similar fashion, it became obvious the post was essentially a pitch for JBL products. Sadly, JBL is barely a shadow of what it once was. What few products it makes these days that compete at the high end of the industry are woefully overpriced. Nice try JBL salesman......next......

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by villastrangiato

Obviously, another JBL troll.....

I never knew there was such a thing.

I wonder what they look like?

Like a regular troll but with tiny ears?

[mavric]

open your mind Borat, JBL now stands for "just blown", if you are in SC, you show NYC. so just what have you heard? and from whom? Mr. salesman, be patient, i have something for you for coming soon, it will rival anything Just blown ever thought about, or engineered, JBL is made in CHINA. what this is and what i am making is made in the USA. except those terinal cups.

[mavric]

sorry to punch in on your post, there were a few things that needed attention.
book shelf speakers are in no way an exotic speaker.
andyr, i think put it best. I just do not see why you, Borat, bashes everyone and you no posts, no pics, no nothing. what grade are you in? do you even know anything other than beeing a bully?
You tend to shut up when i catch you doing what you do. Check mine,I bust my ever loving heart out and post Achievements as well as disappiontments, you on the other hand should be banned from this site, you fit the criteria.
BORAT, YOU ARE NO HELP TO ANYONE


If i had the time, i would love to hear a hand built ribbon, used them a time or two myself. the dispersion is so well , if you close your eyes, you cannot put a finger on it.
I know planer a different, i am dealing with a HUGE sweet spot, listened to a set in person, been hooked ever sence.
please keep up the great work, if you could re post some schematics, i have an idea you might be interested in.

[mavric]

i am sorry, i cannot leave this alone. These are "custom built" by many of us. not a job hunting idiot. We put our heart in these, thats why they are differnt, you said your self Borat, they sounded well. that is why I question your education. ans i am not talking about speaker design,
the word Troll, keeps ppping up, are you that very little peson thats lives under a bridge? or something smaller? your outlook and options on how YOU see things.
post something with pics and info, you aggrivate me. and i am sure alot of others. So once again, "what have YOU "bortat" done? anything? have you built anything?"borat" have you put together anything"borat"? have you watched the most awful movie in the USA? "borat? thats you. So what have you done on this site?"borat?" have you helped anyone. "borat?" hmmmmmm. servey says NO. i will buy your CHEAP just been blown speakers on ebay for 10 bucks, run them over with a semi and smile all the way.
try that, please, i beg you to please post something worth taking the time to learn from. and BTW, BORAT, if you want to learn, you can still read right? check out my post, you just might learn something.

[mavric]

Originally Posted by Borat

i was at Fry's electronics for the first time a few days ago and was very surprised to see Martin Logan speakers in such a mainstream electronics store.

They actually had several on display but i picked the ones that were slightly bigger ( still too small ) and set up in the mostly open space ( as opposed to those little rooms stuffed with speakers ).

I asked the staff to turn them on and at first they played some sort of a sound that you would hear in the beginning of a movie ( it was a setup with a flat screen TV situated between the speakers ) when they show the movie studio logo.

i was blown away with the "size" of the sound. that's right the SIZE, not loudness. i felt like i was in a movie theater yet there were only 2 speakers in front of me. the sound was everywhere - left, right, top down and behind me.

the smoothness and coherency of the sound was also very impressive.

then they played some jazz type music. i was very impressed with the seamless integration between the electrostatic panel and dynamic woofer. i expected to hear some sort of problems in the crossover but there were none - it was perfect.

i also expected the 8" woofers to sound very limited but they didn't. bass sounded full and satisfying.

and yet i didn't like the speakers. they got just one thing wrong but they REALLY got it wrong. that was the treble. treble sounded about the same as it does on my macbook pro that has a singe fullrange mono 3/4 inch speaker. the speaker seemed to be eating up everything above 6 khz or so.

i rotated the speakers towards me and squatted down so my ear level was middle of the panel but nothing helped. the treble was miserable. it sounded like a compact cassette or FM radio AT BEST. didn't come nowhere close to CD or Vinyl quality.

interestingly enough i had a similar experience listening to Sonus Faber Amati even though it was using a scan-speak ring radiator tweeter that is basically flat to 30 khz. both speakers had the same kind of full, lush bass and seemed to be running MASSIVE house curve to the point that treble was completely gone.

B&W speakers didn't have that problem even though they also sound dull compared to my little JBL LSR 6325P monitors.

it was difficult to even judge the potential of ESL as a midrange because without the treble it was sort of impossible to judge harmonic content.

so there you have it:

projection - 10/10

effortlessness - 10/10

sound quality - 3/10

it would be really interesting to hear ESL as a midrange in a speaker with properly rendered top end.

Have you ever built anything?

[godfrey]

Originally Posted by mavric

... you on the other hand should be banned from this site, you fit the criteria.

He IS banned from this site.

Time to calm down a bit, I think...

[mavric]

10-4
i have learned so much here, from everyone, to have a person so that really has nothing to nice to say, should say nothing at all. that is a personal quote.
this is a very long post and i am still reading it, please do not band me from it, Mav

[chris661]

I heard some electrostatics a little while ago, visiting a local audio fan.

They were good, and when the super tweeter was added, you might call them very good. Even with some tweaking, they (imo) can't fully justify the price tag.

[godfrey]

Originally Posted by mavric

....to have a person so that really has nothing to nice to say, should say nothing at all....

Yes, but sometimes trolls will talk nonsense, because they want to start an argument on purpose!

Then it is better to just ignore them and not answer.
Like the mods sometimes say: "Please do not feed the trolls".

Cheers - Godfrey