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geraldfryjr · 10th December 2011, 11:33 AM

Yes, Charlie, that is the stuff.
That version was around when I first discovered licron,and there was not alot of information on it at the time.
My main concern was is it oily or does it cure to a dry film and how permanent is it.
Also how well does it bond to mylar.
And then within a few months Licron appeared so that was what I went with.
I still have my original can from 2003 and it still works.
I may see if they will send me a sample. he,he,he

jer

chinsettawong · 10th December 2011, 11:45 AM

I actually asked for a small bottle of sample and they gladly sent it to me. With that tiny little bottle, I have enough Staticide 6300 to last me probably for as many panels I will build in my whole life.

CharlieM · 10th December 2011, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geraldfryjr

Yes, Charlie, that is the stuff.
That version was around when I first discovered licron,and there was not alot of information on it at the time.
My main concern was is it oily or does it cure to a dry film and how permanent is it.
Also how well does it bond to mylar.
And then within a few months Licron appeared so that was what I went with.
I still have my original can from 2003 and it still works.
I may see if they will send me a sample. he,he,he

jer

It's made for coating floors so I figure it wouldn't be oily and it would need to have some durability in that application.
Here's a pint for cheap enough to experiment with!
TEC 1726-PT

tyu · 10th December 2011, 12:28 PM

Jazzman

I've not tried any of those anti-static laundry or fabric products but I have tried a liquid dishwashing detergent containing sodium laurel sulfate; which worked very well-- not sure how it would hold up over time (some say it's durable) but I certainly sounded wonderful when I tested it on a temporary panel.

Yes this works great, it works well with any panels that you wont to look clear...like ML

But i am finding that all these coting can chang the sound of the mylar... panel..The Dish liquid
Give better mids,but still sweet on the hi-end...some that dryes hard, get a little peky in the highs...just my 2cent

Thanks for all the info..

geraldfryjr · 01:07 PM

There was a study on this a while back,I will try to dig up the links and repost them later.

jer

geraldfryjr · 10th December 2011, 06:10 PM

The links I was referring to are in this thread,

ESL Diaphragm coating,

ESL Diaphragm coating

jer

tyu · 10th December 2011, 08:16 PM

Thanks for the info geraldfryjr on the cotings.....here what i find the panels that i have can be opened... i would not Diy a panel i could not open...an i like to wash them in the shower ever year are so the liquid dish sope
come right off....all off... so i put more on,an it sounds great...but it add wate to the mylar..but it safe ESL are a lot of fun an sound goot too...as you no.
Keep up the good work...ho,ho,ho

geraldfryjr · 08:38 PM

I had deliberately soiled my panels for seven years to check the durability of the coating that I used.
This is the part of the thread where I had cleaned them and noticed a big difference in the sound quality and then I went on to replace the diagphrams to try the new Licron Crystal formula.
It just got better than it was, even though I was quite happy with the orginal ones.
The extra mass makes a very noticeable difference on the high end, even though you can compensate it a little with the EQ.

ESL Diaphragm coating

I didn't use any soap product for fear of effecting the outcome of the results.
I really don't see any issues of using a detergent as long as you have full access to the diagphram.
I think problems can occur if it made a bridge from the diagphram to one of the stators though.

jer

tyu · 10th December 2011, 09:08 PM

The new Licron Crystal formula..... so this is what your using now...thanks

geraldfryjr · 10th December 2011, 11:56 PM

Yes It is,it is very transparent and works great.

I can't measure its thickness ,But Charlie has been able to as it is just a few um's (microns) with even a generous application.

I can measure the resistance of the old formula with my 20megohm setting (the highest setting) on my meter but the Crystal is much higher than that as it won't register anything even with the probes nearly touching or using some large surface pads.

jer

10th December 2011, 12:48 PM	#465
geraldfryjr diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jackson,michigan	There was a study on this a while back,I will try to dig up the links and repost them later. jer Last edited by geraldfryjr; 10th December 2011 at 01:07 PM.

10th December 2011, 08:33 PM	#468
geraldfryjr diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jackson,michigan	I had deliberately soiled my panels for seven years to check the durability of the coating that I used. This is the part of the thread where I had cleaned them and noticed a big difference in the sound quality and then I went on to replace the diagphrams to try the new Licron Crystal formula. It just got better than it was, even though I was quite happy with the orginal ones. The extra mass makes a very noticeable difference on the high end, even though you can compensate it a little with the EQ. ESL Diaphragm coating I didn't use any soap product for fear of effecting the outcome of the results. I really don't see any issues of using a detergent as long as you have full access to the diagphram. I think problems can occur if it made a bridge from the diagphram to one of the stators though. jer Last edited by geraldfryjr; 10th December 2011 at 08:38 PM.

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10th December 2011, 11:33 AM	#461
geraldfryjr diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jackson,michigan	Yes, Charlie, that is the stuff. That version was around when I first discovered licron,and there was not alot of information on it at the time. My main concern was is it oily or does it cure to a dry film and how permanent is it. Also how well does it bond to mylar. And then within a few months Licron appeared so that was what I went with. I still have my original can from 2003 and it still works. I may see if they will send me a sample. he,he,he jer

10th December 2011, 11:45 AM	#462
chinsettawong diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2006	I actually asked for a small bottle of sample and they gladly sent it to me. With that tiny little bottle, I have enough Staticide 6300 to last me probably for as many panels I will build in my whole life.

10th December 2011, 12:28 PM	#464
tyu diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2009	Jazzman I've not tried any of those anti-static laundry or fabric products but I have tried a liquid dishwashing detergent containing sodium laurel sulfate; which worked very well-- not sure how it would hold up over time (some say it's durable) but I certainly sounded wonderful when I tested it on a temporary panel. Yes this works great, it works well with any panels that you wont to look clear...like ML But i am finding that all these coting can chang the sound of the mylar... panel..The Dish liquid Give better mids,but still sweet on the hi-end...some that dryes hard, get a little peky in the highs...just my 2cent Thanks for all the info..

10th December 2011, 06:10 PM	#466
geraldfryjr diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jackson,michigan	The links I was referring to are in this thread, ESL Diaphragm coating, ESL Diaphragm coating jer

10th December 2011, 08:16 PM	#467
tyu diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2009	Thanks for the info geraldfryjr on the cotings.....here what i find the panels that i have can be opened... i would not Diy a panel i could not open...an i like to wash them in the shower ever year are so the liquid dish sope come right off....all off... so i put more on,an it sounds great...but it add wate to the mylar..but it safe ESL are a lot of fun an sound goot too...as you no. Keep up the good work...ho,ho,ho

10th December 2011, 09:08 PM	#469
tyu diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2009	The new Licron Crystal formula..... so this is what your using now...thanks

10th December 2011, 11:56 PM	#470
geraldfryjr diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Jackson,michigan	Yes It is,it is very transparent and works great. I can't measure its thickness ,But Charlie has been able to as it is just a few um's (microns) with even a generous application. I can measure the resistance of the old formula with my 20megohm setting (the highest setting) on my meter but the Crystal is much higher than that as it won't register anything even with the probes nearly touching or using some large surface pads. jer