You should start a new thread with as much design/build detail as you're willing to provide. Your ESL approach seems different than what most DIYers pursue, so it's definitely worth documenting.
Ok. I'll start a build thread. The Taiwanese offer would be around 70€, including customs. I was just hoping I could do a little better with an European offering. The same goes for the coating. I still hope MJ Dijkstra comes through, but I'll inquire about the shipping from Australia just in case.
Thank you daanve and misterdog. That was already very helpful. I might also ask them about coating.
This is the build thread so far... An attempt at a constant dipolar directivity esl panel
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I went on the internet today and found this:
PEDOT ESD coating
10^3-10^5 Ohm/Sq @5um
Not a lot but maybe it can be made to work.
PEDOT ESD coating
10^3-10^5 Ohm/Sq @5um
Not a lot but maybe it can be made to work.
Forgotten which thread it was but someone mentioned this stuff for esl coating:
China Transparent Conductive (Colorless) Paint (RB-048) - China Paint, Conductive Paint
China Transparent Conductive (Colorless) Paint (RB-048) - China Paint, Conductive Paint
Conductive Shielding - repair EHT trails on ESL 57
Just came on this: Conductive Shielding
I didn't try it yet, but will use it to avoid new copper trails to repair my old ESL-57 panels, where the EHT Trails inside the panels are broken.
rgds
Thomas (Hamburg)
Just came on this: Conductive Shielding
I didn't try it yet, but will use it to avoid new copper trails to repair my old ESL-57 panels, where the EHT Trails inside the panels are broken.
rgds
Thomas (Hamburg)
Yep the resistance is few Ohms per square - conductive traces would be the only application.
This may be easier to get:
KOC WebSite: Product Detail
This may be easier to get:
KOC WebSite: Product Detail
This material way, way, way to heavy and thick for use as coating. Like Aquadag water bases which also means you get cracks as well.
Hey Guys !! ...........
Been getting back in to designing/building/finishing the Desktop Esl III and amp,
Since my last days of testing my can of Licron got a pin hole and drained out everywhere, and I had a partial can of Crystal somewhere too , who knows where.
Anyhow,
They wouldn't have been enough for what I have planned anyway and I was wondering if Walmart had anything and they do carry Staticide !!
So, I was thinking about having some shipped in as I need some bulk (small more than spray can) stuff for now, I will be building some bigger panels and I can just see myself ripping up just as many diaphragms developing them as I did doing the Desktop ESL versions.
Of those of you whom has tried it which one of these products will get me going right of off the bat?
Verify your identity
I am not worried about durability or anything right now i just want it to work and eventually I will get many of the other products and test them out as well.
But Right Now, I just want it to work Mainly because i never tried it and two I can have it shipped to my door until I can find out if my old Licron vender in Detroit still exists.
I'll be working on the amps soon so you know I'm gonna be pokin' some holes and burning stator coatings sooner or later !!
jer
Been getting back in to designing/building/finishing the Desktop Esl III and amp,
Since my last days of testing my can of Licron got a pin hole and drained out everywhere, and I had a partial can of Crystal somewhere too , who knows where.
Anyhow,
They wouldn't have been enough for what I have planned anyway and I was wondering if Walmart had anything and they do carry Staticide !!
So, I was thinking about having some shipped in as I need some bulk (small more than spray can) stuff for now, I will be building some bigger panels and I can just see myself ripping up just as many diaphragms developing them as I did doing the Desktop ESL versions.
Of those of you whom has tried it which one of these products will get me going right of off the bat?
Verify your identity
I am not worried about durability or anything right now i just want it to work and eventually I will get many of the other products and test them out as well.
But Right Now, I just want it to work Mainly because i never tried it and two I can have it shipped to my door until I can find out if my old Licron vender in Detroit still exists.
I'll be working on the amps soon so you know I'm gonna be pokin' some holes and burning stator coatings sooner or later !!
jer
Hmmmmm................. Nobody?
I know it sounded like I crazy question coming from me , But I am serious !!!!
I have never used the product before and thought that I might try it out, so which one has been proven to work........ Spray Can, Spray Bottle Bulk type 3-5 or 6 different kinds from cleaner coatings to a floor varnish's, assuming some acrylic based, some not.
So,
Which one, Could Somebody Please Refer Me Too, That they Have tried and it worked, even if it was for a short time..
The link above works even though it is labeled funky, it is a link to all of the Staticide Products that Walmart carries or will get shipped to my doorstep.
Thank You.
jer
P.S. So that I can get ordering some ASAP !!!
I know it sounded like I crazy question coming from me , But I am serious !!!!
I have never used the product before and thought that I might try it out, so which one has been proven to work........ Spray Can, Spray Bottle Bulk type 3-5 or 6 different kinds from cleaner coatings to a floor varnish's, assuming some acrylic based, some not.
So,
Which one, Could Somebody Please Refer Me Too, That they Have tried and it worked, even if it was for a short time..
The link above works even though it is labeled funky, it is a link to all of the Staticide Products that Walmart carries or will get shipped to my doorstep.
Thank You.
jer
P.S. So that I can get ordering some ASAP !!!
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All biological degradeble products is no no.
All products for your skin is... i guess nono at least for your speaker, have not tried them but my intuition say no.
Cleaners, im not sure, they are not ment to stick... so no no Bu i know people hwo tried dish soup for esl 57` and it worked for some years. but No no.
Coatings, not bio degradable:
1070
6300
6400
3030
and maybe 520
I have only tried 6400 and I like it, 8 out of 10.
All products for your skin is... i guess nono at least for your speaker, have not tried them but my intuition say no.
Cleaners, im not sure, they are not ment to stick... so no no Bu i know people hwo tried dish soup for esl 57` and it worked for some years. but No no.
Coatings, not bio degradable:
1070
6300
6400
3030
and maybe 520
I have only tried 6400 and I like it, 8 out of 10.
ACL Staticide 6500 ESD Safety Shield, 8 oz Aerosol Spray Can, TranslucentHey Guys !! ...........
Been getting back in to designing/building/finishing the Desktop Esl III and amp,
I'll be working on the amps soon so you know I'm gonna be pokin' some holes and burning stator coatings sooner or later !!
jer
6500 is canned 6300. Anyhow ACL rep insisted on better performance of 6300. Tried it liked it. Acrylic 6400 is urethane one like licron(?). By the color it's PEDOT based.
I would of dilute it to a needed value. Even very thin layer (rainbow due to interference, below 1 um) is conductive. Heating during drying helps - read TDS.
Awesome, Thanks Guys !!!
I remember most all the one in esl63's list mainly 6300,6400 mentioned, and the 6500 I had in the back of my head as well Thank You Alex !!!
I tell ya, trying to get through ACL's website just to study all of their products again reminds me of running win2000 on dialup !! :headbang:
I will order some in a week or so just to give it a try, their floor varnish's look interesting for a few other app's I have in mind.
I am trying to do this as cheap as I can for now, I don't even plan on using any of my good mylar at First, Heck, My Very First ESL's that I ever made used Monokote and graphite !!
jer
P.S. I actually am trying to re-read this whole thread but it takes awhile.
I remember most all the one in esl63's list mainly 6300,6400 mentioned, and the 6500 I had in the back of my head as well Thank You Alex !!!
I tell ya, trying to get through ACL's website just to study all of their products again reminds me of running win2000 on dialup !! :headbang:
I will order some in a week or so just to give it a try, their floor varnish's look interesting for a few other app's I have in mind.
I am trying to do this as cheap as I can for now, I don't even plan on using any of my good mylar at First, Heck, My Very First ESL's that I ever made used Monokote and graphite !!
jer
P.S. I actually am trying to re-read this whole thread but it takes awhile.
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