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Old 13th February 2011, 03:25 AM   #1811
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DeaDBeeF sounds quite good on my T-Mobile G-2 (Android). Better I think than Meridian. Much better than anything I have been able to get from an Apple iOS device. I don't have the patience to try it on an X86 Linux platform yet.
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Any ETA on on your PK-USB server? It's something that I might be very interested in since I haven't had the time to wire up a decent power supply for my Alix.
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Old 13th February 2011, 06:02 AM   #1812
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oh no, yet another player!
probably because you forgot that Linux is case sensitive. In windoze "Folder.jpg" or "folder.jpg" are the same file... in Unix/Linux they are NOT!
I solved the problem... see my previous post 2465016. Anyway, yes yet another player, you should try this one, it is really fast and support cue playing.

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Old 13th February 2011, 07:19 AM   #1813
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phofman is making friends again.

Beside that he is talking about Windows as if he'd tried e.g. J.River lately.
!!phofman running audio on a Windows system!! No, No I wouldn't
believe that.


BTW: Those of you not following my Squeezebox thread. Did I tell you that
my Windows 7 is performing ways better as a streaming server over
ethernet then my Linux server (the same machine).
Inmate TBM made me aware of it. And guess what! He was right.

The Linux world need to watch out not to drift into the wrong direction.
Ignorance and arrogance is most contraproductive. Listen to what people
say and act accordingly is IMO the way to go.


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Hehe, that's forums for ya.

Yeah, something about Win 7 with WASAPI and Foobar/Jriver is pretty darn good considering how easy it is to get up and running.

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Old 13th February 2011, 10:27 AM   #1814
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How do you organize your collection?
as an organized file system tree. My player is just:
Code:
$ cd /path/to/desired/album/
$ play *.flac
searches are simply done using "locate" or "find" and/or "grep" (often on pre-prepared collection tree listing).

As simple and effective as it can be.

I've find out that my huge (terabyte sized) music collection is way too large for just about any player I've tried to manage. Music collections DBs on most (all?) players clearly have never been thought for (let alone tested on) such large collections and simply does not scale. They all become way too slow and inefficient.

XBMC (which I use for multimedia) kind of works, but for me the simple command line is far more effective, quick and practical to use.

GUIs are for the dumb. Real man use CLI.
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Old 13th February 2011, 11:07 AM   #1815
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So you agree that running process my alter noise levels which could leak into the digital and audio realm?
noise in the digital stream can hardly change anything (unless it's so huge to alter the bits, something which of course is NEVER the case for a working system).

Indeed "noise" may affect internal sound cards (if that's what you use) or possibly jitter if you are using a synchronous link (such as S/PDIF or old standard USB) to an external DAC. There may be other minor effects via EMI/RFI, too.

But, as Phofman correctly stated, the most likely source of audible differences are the various level of processing (DSP) done on the actual bit streams.

A volume control, a mixer, not to mention any equalizer or SRC, etc will surely make way much more sound difference than any amount of "noise" in the PC.

Get rid of pulseaudio and any other useless stuff. Use e.g. a Debian or Ubuntu "server edition" CD to install from scratch a really minimal system. Do not even install any GUI. Just the kernel with shell and basic tools, alsa staff and sox. That's it.

Work from the Linux VTs. Use alsamixer to control the sound card and simply use "aplay" or "play" (that is, sox) outputting directly to the bare ALSA device (hw:x.y, not plughw*).

That way you can be sure that your digital audio stream is kept clean and untouched.

Then, if your DAC supports bitrates/resolutions higher than 44/16, you can start playing with sox (again, from the CLI) and it's many SRC algorithms and options to improve the sound. Knowing exactly what you're doing and why.

You'll be surprised...
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Old 13th February 2011, 11:13 AM   #1816
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my Windows 7 is performing ways better as a streaming server over
ethernet then my Linux server (the same machine).
Inmate TBM made me aware of it. And guess what! He was right.
can you elaborate on this?

HOW would (could...) it be better and WHY?
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Old 13th February 2011, 11:16 AM   #1817
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I'm using the most actual stuff.
After removing pulseaudio you can forget using gnome-mixer-(applet).
so what? if you care about sound quality, you're NOT gonna change the volume in software!

And alsamixer is always there if you need to somehow control your hardware...
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Old 13th February 2011, 11:19 AM   #1818
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Anyway, yes yet another player, you should try this one, it is really fast and support cue playing.
Likely I'll stick to CLI, but I'll give it a try.
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Old 13th February 2011, 11:27 AM   #1819
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can you elaborate on this?

HOW would (could...) it be better and WHY?

E.g. because Logitech screwed up something when porting the squeezebox server to linux? IMO it would be rather simple to research and draw conclusions. But that is not the way the authors of the claim operate, simplification attracts much more followers. People like it when instructions are simple and universal.
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Old 13th February 2011, 11:37 AM   #1820
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>>But, as Phofman correctly stated, the most likely source of audible differences are the various level of processing (DSP) done on the actual bit streams.

Usually he states something like that if bits are bit-perfect delivered to the receiver there won't be any difference on soundquality.

And that is simply said -- wrong.

You won't find 2 soundcards which sound the same even if fed bit-perfect.
There are numerous reasons for that. And a major one is the cards ability
to cope with the incoming stream - ( stream in physical not in logical terms).

I do agree that slaved transports, not to forget well isolated transports and
real well done reclockers cause much less issues then the estimated
remaining 99.9% of setups out there.
That 99.9% though I wouldn't call neglectable. It takes huge efforts to clean up the mess induced by computer based transports. (Assuming we're talking about serious audio performances as a goal).


No guys. It's not as easy as it might look.

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