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Old 2nd April 2014, 08:06 PM   #11
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Old 2nd April 2014, 08:08 PM   #12
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with 100 euro I will buy a BBB and donate the rest to the Open Source community. at least it will be some good spend money

I agree.

Sure using a server OS is going to use less resources but Highendaudiopc please please tell me how using less ram and cpu cycles is going to give me a bigger soundstage, well defined bass, etc.

And if that is the key, explain why you must use expensive closed source windows server, and not a simple command line install of Debian, or your favorite distribution of free open source GNU/LINUX?

It is simply placebo, if anything.
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Old 2nd April 2014, 08:12 PM   #13
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i won't tell you no nothing about how it works, so easy it is.

no, there is no placebo. but you guys know it better anyway.

NO MATTER if you have tried it or not. Sorry, but this is a
waste of my precious time my friends...

learn to read -> http://www.highend-audiopc.com/reviews.html
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Old 2nd April 2014, 08:32 PM   #14
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What is really interesting is that every and each reviewer of your product forgets to add the final price (software and hardware) included for the whole system.

By the way did you made a (I was going to say blind but...) test between a arm hw platform (let's say i-cubox with mpd and alsa) and your "product" (installed on 2 computers with crippled operating systems etc etc )? Please do and come with a nice review, or pay someone to do it, I presume giving a free "license" of your product will do it also.

You can try to spam in this thread also Funniest snake oil theories.

Sure you will get a a lot of feedback.
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Old 2nd April 2014, 10:57 PM   #15
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i won't tell you no nothing about how it works, so easy it is.

no, there is no placebo. but you guys know it better anyway.

NO MATTER if you have tried it or not. Sorry, but this is a
waste of my precious time my friends...

learn to read -> Highend-AudioPC | Reviews

Sorry but I really do feel that you are just someone else trying to pull one over on those less knowledgeable with computers. I'm sorry to say but I'm not one of them.

I've been repairing, and assembling computers and networks for about 6 years including quite a few high end gaming pc's, I've run servers for both games and web (with php, mysql etc). I've used windows server, various linux distros, I can feel my way around HTML, PHP, C++, Assembly, and more.

I'm also sorry to say it but surely you must know how easy it is to fake a few dozen reviews. I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and say that perhaps you did get all of those reviews and only doctored them a bit.

You can not tell me that using a different OS, stripped down, on any powerful modern computer will improve the sound in any way.

I mean what argument could you be trying to make, perhaps with less load on the PSU there is more wattage available to the sound card? Gimme a break


And as cmiu007 pointed out, tell me again how much legitimate Windows Server 2012 licenses are. Even for the "Essential" edition it is around $400. Then hardware, which I'm sure you recommend nothing less than a huge X79 rig with a 4930k but maybe I'm wrong.

Then if you still want to even keep going you have to pay for your program too! HAH
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Old 2nd April 2014, 11:55 PM   #16
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Foobar + WASAPI or ASIO ... that is all you need, any moderm computer can run with very low levels of latency.
There is a few tweaks u' can try to lower the latency:
>disabling services, drivers you don't use and energy saving
>enabling HPET timer in BIOS and windows, disabling CPU energy saving options (EIST, C1, C3 ect)
>If you have W8 this command sometimes works bcdedit /set disabledynamictick yes

I'm pretty sure this "Snake-oil optimizer" do a few of this ....
But there are more things at hardware level that affect sound in a bigger grade. The noise generated by the disks in the 12v line, some video cards or motherboard generate audible interferences, PSU ripple ...

BTW: IN W8 DSP Latency Checker reports
imprecise values of latency use LatencyMon
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What is the relation between lower latency and sound quality (of course provided the chain does not produce audible dropouts, i.e. late data delivery for the soundcard)?
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Old 3rd April 2014, 08:09 AM   #18
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Phil's optimiser package - in the context of JPlay and two PCs running Server 2012 - does offer sonic benefits, despite what any rational engineering approach might have us expect. A more relaxed, organic and detailed sound can be achieved.

I tested it during the development phase as I was intrigued by early reports. It is worth noting that the developer is himself a software engineer. I walked away from it when the price of the Optimiser was set simply because it was pricey, and required 2 MS Server licenses on top of the hardware and running costs.

Swapping from such an elaborate (and quite expensive) arrangement to a RPi running MPD over a direct I2S into the same DAC produced a subjectively more appealing sound.
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What is the relation between lower latency and sound quality (of course provided the chain does not produce audible dropouts, i.e. late data delivery for the soundcard)?
I only notice a BIG diferences when try to decode high quality multi-channel track switching to ASIO don't have artifacts in sound ...
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despite what any rational engineering approach might have us expect.
It is not despite rational engineering approach, if you take off the HDD from the same computer and run a voyage mpd from a USB stick and you will have a lower electrical noise due to several factors.

Take for example any linux distribution run X and some programs in the same time with mpd. Do a "cat /proc/interrupts" stop everything apart from mpd and do the same and compare the results, you can take this example a little bit forward and record the values and draw an nice comparative graph using time as axis. Unfortunately I don't know any program to record the no of interrupts in windows in order to conclude the exercise.

The only new thing (in windows ecosystem) the this product is introducing is the headless server with a separate client, but this is old news if you compare it with mpd.

You can "improve" the sound using mpd + brutefir with a carefully tweaked impulse response filter and not paying for jplay+jriver+windows+ and the magic script that is not doing anything else apart for stoping some services and adjust the length of the USB buffer. I don't deny that it takes a lot of trial and error to get this blindly using windows but really this is not coding is scripting.

After Jriver took a stand against jplay, the guys from jplay took any oportunity to keep the myth going and even they hosted the development thread of a.o. on their forum.
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