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Old 17th September 2013, 07:26 AM   #11
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Also, I would be concerned about the lack of backups on such important machine. Perhaps the new setup will have this major issue taken care of
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Old 17th September 2013, 09:15 AM   #12
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Also, I would be concerned about the lack of backups on such important machine. Perhaps the new setup will have this major issue taken care of
Hey Phofman, As I said pal, this is something I personally would have done. But a guy came out, installed all the gear, as far as the Media people at the time were concerned, it was a working radio solution. None of them are I.T minded so wouldn't have even thought of backups - heck, most people don't think about backing up their own stuff until it dies, despite how much we tell them to.

Also, because this is a standalone machine, i.e., not one of ours and permanently logged in with a none AD account, there is no Documents area on the PC that is backed up as part of the daily diff.

It's just one of those unfortunate events that I'm now at the heart of, happy days.

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Old 17th September 2013, 09:19 AM   #13
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What I was at first thinking, is instead of having this cart automisation thing. Forget the carts, get a simple standalone 8 or 16 channel USB mixing desk connected to a new PC, plug the existing rack CD player in via 1/4" Jacks and the 2 Mic XLR's in and then have it so that they do most of the work in the PC with regards to making a play list and clicking pause, or stop and next track, do a bit of talking, then hit play again and let it run through their created playlists.

The software would recognise the USB audio device and play the music loaded into a playlist through this (I tested the idea at my house last night using a Peavey PV8 USB) but they would lose the ability to fade in different tunes on different faders. So, although technically you could do it this way, it would be different from what they're used to. The do have some little numarks in the room too and I was thinking they could plug these into one of the inputs on the USB Mixer to record DJ sets.

Again, it would work, but maybe be too much of a change.

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Old 17th September 2013, 09:24 AM   #14
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My experience with radio has been in community radio for about 17 years on and off. Your station as I understand is a internet streaming radio service.

I would head straight for Linux, playout programs like All Discussions - Guayadeque Music Player are really nice
With regard to computers the Linux Mintbox is excellent.
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At this very minute I am broadcasting a 1 watt signal using this very equipment... playing is Anthony Philips Slow Dance - he was the first guitarist with Genesis.

Whilst internet streaming can attract audience worldwide, your broadcast content with the school is a likely candidate for a low powered FM service. Your post does not mention where you are exactly from, but i presume UK, with talk of Birmingham in your post.

This body called Ofcom appear to be the licensing authority for FM broadcasting.
Ofcom | Application forms and Guidance Notes for RSLs

All licensing bodies that I have had experience with give support to Community radio ventures, and one way to get used to this is to ask your existing local station for an hour or two per week to provide a program. Whilst there check out how studios are constructed and try and see the whole set up including UHF links and final transmitters, to see if this is the sort of thing you want to do.

So you could with a microphone small mixing desk a minidisc player/recorder and a Cd player, start providing a program for the local community station. The benefit being you get local coverage. This may become very rewarding for your school and its great to support your local station. Believe me they are always after new programs. In the mean time you could apply for a RSL licence with intention to turn it into a community station, perhaps with some help from the education sector, and as long as your content is different and inclusive it should get approved. In radio its very bad to takeover another station that has worked hard for what it is doing , so always be mindful of stations already on the air.

Cheers / Chris
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Old 17th September 2013, 10:54 AM   #15
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My experience with radio has been in community radio for about 17 years on and off. Your station as I understand is a internet streaming radio service.

I would head straight for Linux, playout programs like All Discussions - Guayadeque Music Player are really nice
With regard to computers the Linux Mintbox is excellent.
Main Page - Linux Mint

At this very minute I am broadcasting a 1 watt signal using this very equipment... playing is Anthony Philips Slow Dance - he was the first guitarist with Genesis.

Whilst internet streaming can attract audience worldwide, your broadcast content with the school is a likely candidate for a low powered FM service. Your post does not mention where you are exactly from, but i presume UK, with talk of Birmingham in your post.

This body called Ofcom appear to be the licensing authority for FM broadcasting.
Ofcom | Application forms and Guidance Notes for RSLs

All licensing bodies that I have had experience with give support to Community radio ventures, and one way to get used to this is to ask your existing local station for an hour or two per week to provide a program. Whilst there check out how studios are constructed and try and see the whole set up including UHF links and final transmitters, to see if this is the sort of thing you want to do.

So you could with a microphone small mixing desk a minidisc player/recorder and a Cd player, start providing a program for the local community station. The benefit being you get local coverage. This may become very rewarding for your school and its great to support your local station. Believe me they are always after new programs. In the mean time you could apply for a RSL licence with intention to turn it into a community station, perhaps with some help from the education sector, and as long as your content is different and inclusive it should get approved. In radio its very bad to takeover another station that has worked hard for what it is doing , so always be mindful of stations already on the air.

Cheers / Chris
Me and my manager were speaking about this very idea yesterday, it's definitely a great shout. However, at the moment, the onus is on just getting it running and then perhaps in the future, take it all a step forward.

It is internet based as well, usually we have have an internal stream and an external stream.
However I know how to setup a Shoutcast stream, but make it invisible on the Shoutcast website, but available to people who log onto the academy website via a link. This could work I suppose.

Having said all of this.... this is all worst case scenario. We may get a replacement PC as I was discussing on page 1 with Dan, and then just re fit the old sound card and re install Myriad and all drivers.
TBH, I think this is more likely to happen, as it doesn't disrupt what the kids know etc etc., and it will also be the fastest solution to all this.

Aside from my USB mixer idea which is straight forward in theory, setting up a completely new radio mixer solution, automation software and what not sound far more complicated than i first anticipated. I don't use Linux so it's out of my depth so I think it's best to fix whats already in place.
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Old 17th September 2013, 08:52 PM   #16
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Pc power supplies are notorious crap, and do occasionally let the smoke out, and while I can see P2 not actively supporting 2 year old kit unless you have a contract with them, I would be surprised if they didn't offer at least advice to get you up and running again.

If there was actual fire, as opposed to a large amount of foul smelling smoke (Capacitor let go), I would have to ask when the dust was last cleaned out of that machine? PCs do not normally contain enough fuel load to actually catch fire unless they have been left on for years with no routine servicing.

Broadcast vendors live and die by their after sales service so given you have a valid license I would be shocked to learn that P2 were being silly about the software side.

Broadcast automation software is generally somewhat non trivial to set up, so be prepared to spend a day fiddling with obscure settings to get everything to work.

Where are you based? I still know a few broadcast engineering types around the country and it may be possible to get someone to pop in and give you a hand with setup.

Regards, Dan.
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Old 17th September 2013, 09:56 PM   #17
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Basically the hard drives and sata cables were melted and black and motherboard was charred. The pc had a huge black smoke patch too on the underside of the case. I actually could barely see any dust what so ever built up on fans and grills it actually looked like a very clean unit. The thing with p2 is they say they don't offer any cover on their hardware, end of, and I quote... " as it's complex gear and so expensive ".

The thought with regards to telling them about this was down to the possibility of them replacing the pc out of courtesy. However unlikely this is... I'm asked by the teachers to come up with more than one idea to resolve. I can't just say replace pc job done, nor can I say lets build it all again. I have to justify my actions.


I think the general consensus is that I'll be replacing the pc with a new unit, luckily the ( what I now know to be ) m audio delta d1010lt card is in working condition, So I'll put that in a new machine and have to build all the settings back up again. I'll see how I get on. Thanks for the offer Dan your input has been very useful.
I'll take it step by step, at least when the machine is re connected to the cables I'll have an idea, software wise, of what I'm up against
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Old 17th September 2013, 10:01 PM   #18
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Also, yes I'll have more than enough time to sort it. They will just leave me to it. Yes this machine has practically been on for 2 years straight, however p2 do claim we could stream 24/7, although they will probably say thats figuratively speaking.

Thanks, yes I will be in touch if the **** hits the fan. We are based in Birmingham mate. Which is where I'm also from.
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Old 17th September 2013, 11:00 PM   #19
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Sounds like the power supply **** the bed big time, it happens ocassionally.

24/7 is a quite literal claim, radio stations do it all the time, but they are usually a network of machines (Two studios, so you can take one down for maintainance, possibly a news booth, a couple of production rooms, the programming director will have a machine so he can edit clocks, as will the guys in the 'traffic' (advertising department), there might be a couple of machines set for voice tracking or content intake, you get the idea), 24/7 is not something you pull off with a single machine and no redundancy.

I am somewhat surprised that you stayed up for 2 years straight with a single PC!

I am well north of you, but will be down in that vauge direction for the national radio rally in two weeks if you get into real trouble with it.

Delta 1010s were pretty standard in low end radio station installs for a long time, cheap, balanced and with good drivers, whats not to love.

Regards, Dan.

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Old 18th September 2013, 08:02 PM   #20
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I think the PC may have been on or off a few times over the time. But in general, it would be on majority of the time. Were in talks with the guy who fitted it all and he seemed very reasonable so we'll just see what happens. Fingers crossed.
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