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gvr 27th April 2013 02:11 AM

Front-end stack for active 4ways: wifi/bt L, R, vol -> DRC+XO -> DACs
 
I'm building a pair of active mains with embedded electronics. I'm trying to get away with only running one cable to them: AC. Hence, I'm looking for an electronics chain looking smth like this:

CH1
Volume+Audio Stream receiver -> DRC+XO -> DACs -> power amps (I got this covered)

CH2
ditto

I'd _much_ prefer if the audio/volume receiver was wireless, and either supporting AirPlay directly or receiving data from an AirPlay bridge. The bridge could run on a Mac/PC/Linux system.

I love to tinker, but don't have time or desire to re-invent wheels so would prefer a proven solution (or set of solutions) even if it's a bit more costly. Obviously it'd be awesome with a board supporting this entire front-end, but I've only been able to find bits an pieces, and they don't necessarily seem to mesh very well. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Gvr

picowallspeaker 27th April 2013 03:56 AM

I would keep everything separated !
Total weight will be distributed equally
Each function to its form.
The speakers would be...speakers and be free to move wherever
The amplifier would be the...angry beast it is

Since the integration has to happen in the environment where we listen to the music
It works like that....
Or maybe you liked particularly some kind of active monitor and you want to make one ?

CharlieLaub 27th April 2013 05:53 AM

Not that I am 100% sure that this will work, but have you seen these networking adapters that route traffic over the power line (locally, e.g. in your home) as an alternative to wireless? Since you will have AC power cord running to the speakers, you could send the audio via ethernet and have a receiving device inside each speaker (Raspberry Pi?). You would need a way to send the audio over TCPIP, but I assume there is a solution for that kind of streaming already available. This is kind of getting outside my realm of understanding...

From the outside, you would see one cable.

Lots of options at NewEgg:
Powerline Networking, Powerline Adapters - Newegg.com

I would love to know if you figure out how to make this work, because I am building something very similar. I am not trying to have one cable, but will have separate AC and then use SPDIF (probably toslink) for the audio stream. A DSP crossover unit in the speaker will accept the digital stream, and output analog to the amp connected to each driver. If there is a solution in which I can just use the AC main for all of this, then I am all ears.

-Charlie

gvr 27th April 2013 10:56 PM

@picowallspeaker my wife thinks it's enough with one angry beast in the house, i.e. me. :)
Seriously though, I have decided to build an integrated high-end system. Think Klein Hummel o500, Genelec 8260, and similar.

For the DSP there seems to be some good solutions like MiniSHARC or MiniDSP. However, I need to deliver the audio signal to each speaker, control the volume, and do DA conversion. This needs to be done with minimal phase shift from L/R channel. If it is not feasible to deliver audio wirelessly without building something custom I will settle for delivering the signal over coax, but I still need to control the volume of both speakers.

@charlielaub the idea about delivering the audio over Powerline is interesting; my main concern here is keeping the playback from L+R in sync; there might be time shift if there are two independent Raspberry PIs processing the signals separately.

phofman 29th April 2013 09:21 AM

I you run run two separate DA conversions, the synchronization will be hard to maintain as the timing element is always the soundcard. Two soundcards mean two independent clocks which will eventually drift apart.

Technically it can be solved by adaptive reclocking, practically e.g. jack with zita-ajbridge http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org/pa...esamp-pres.pdf . However, it is not a simple solution and requires quite some CPU power.

I would suggest to run a single DSP/DA chain in one location and distribute the final analog signals in balanced form. E.g. shielded cat5 can transfer 4 balanced channels. If a bit of crosstalk happens it should not matter as it is the same channel split by frequency. Practical application e.g. XLR over Cat5 - Balanced XLR Mic-Level & Line-Level Audio over Cat5 & Cat5e Cabling | Life is a Prayer.com

phofman 29th April 2013 09:27 AM

In fact I would try running unbalanced signal and only if it is not satisfactory would I deploy the conversion kit. Any decent 8channel soundcard should suffice.

E.g. http://etslan.com/Audio.htm

Overkill Audio 19th May 2013 11:55 AM

Off The Wall...
 
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Hi guys,

I am also trying to get rid of as many boxes and cables as poss, my speakers are " hang on the wall" and I am building in the DAC's and power amps into a slim power pack which fits between the speakers and wall, the whole lot is less than 8 inches deep.
The attached Zetex is a great bet for a one box solution, power / DSP / DAC's / Room Eq, / crossovers etc.
I know of one UK manufacturer who has just ditched a suite of TI
DSP and amp chips in favour of Zetex, the technology is very clever and the eval board I heard was very good.
You can use conventional power amps / DAC's / DSP and use a 5.8 GHz band WiFi router as an option. Modern WiFi has the bandwidth to send / recieve a Blu Ray video plus Hi Def 5.1 channel soundtrack so it has no probs with a 3 way active stereo set up at 24 bit 96KHz.
Cheers
D.

gvr 19th May 2013 05:29 PM

Hey Overkill,

Good handle:)

This looks quite interesting; their website doesn't respond at the moment though. Do you know:
- Do they sell boards or just chips?
- Since they quote 250W I assume this is for a board. Is it 4x250W?
- Does it support FIR filters? How many taps?
- How much does it cost?
- Do they have their software for programming it?

Are you delivering your digital signal over Airplay or some other way?

Cheers!

Overkill Audio 19th May 2013 07:47 PM

Zetex stuff
 
Hi Gvr,

Yes, Overkill by name & by nature, I do tend do things to excess or not at all...!

Right now I think the easiest option is to build a mini ATX music server round a low power ( 5 to 17 watt max) i3 core chipset and Wi-Fi enabled mother board, (Asus do a nice one) and " stream " the music to an off the shelf Hi Def. WiFi receiver which feeds in to the USB input of the DAC's and then straight into the power amp.
Running windows 7 or 8 and JRiver 18 you can control the whole thing from a smart phone or tablet. You can add in great studio plugins / VST to JRiver if you want to, anything from basic Eq to sophisticated crossover and RTA's.
BlueCat Audio and Fab Filter have a great range.

Once that is built using really good DAC's and power amps that will be my reference and then the goal will be to try to match it or surpass the end result with a simple one box solution from Zetex.

The Zetex stuff used to be large volume OEM only, but now they will do Evaluation boards and I think the MOQ for the chipsets is now low enough for a group buy on DIY forum if someone / or a few guys could team up to put the resource into writing the firmware and sorting out a display and interface.
A huge bonus of the Zetex solution is that the entire source to speaker terminals system can be run from one or two LiPo 4 batteries...Imagine total freedom from mains noise (and power surges) and all the sonic benefits of PS with huge current reserves and no hum / ground loop problems?
Also no mains cables / power conditioners...& while we are at it no cables or interconnects ( WiFi @ 24bit 96K or higher is easy), no wonder all the snake oil cable / power conditioner / vibration tuning etc companies are scared of Zetex!

The market potential for a one box solution that can equal or surpass the Twisted Pear / Hypex / DEQX gear is massive. One UK company is now developing such a solution and many others will ( have to?) follow as it will really be the only game in town...
The future is bright, the future is Zetex!!

Cheers
Derek.
PS I have no affiliation with Zetex but I would sure love to kiss goodbye to all the overpriced PCB's / huge power supplies/ and designer audio boutique components at silly prices....

gvr 20th May 2013 01:01 AM

Agree it'd be great with a single board doing DRC/XO/DAC/Preamp/poweramp duties. Website is still down!


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